Hm Which Settings Would Be Good?

ktimekillerktimekiller Join Date: 2003-02-25 Member: 13958Members
aa number and af number, and why, i got 9800pro overclocked to 400core and 366mem and right now, i got no aa no af and v sinc off, and i get 100fps straight, should i turn aa or/and af on? and how much should i turn it on?

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  • VerthandiVerthandi Join Date: 2002-12-12 Member: 10687Members, NS1 Playtester
    edited August 2004
    For NS, put AF to as high as it will go, set VSync to personal preference, and leave AA off.

    AF will improve the image quality the most, and reduce framerates the least, seeing how you have a monster of a video card.

    If 'tearing' really bothers you, then turn on VSync (will most likely limit your framerate to 60-85, depending on your monitor refresh rate). If you couldn't care less about 'tearing', then leave VSync off.

    AA serves practically no purpose in HL, and you probably won't notice any differences except for a drop in framerate.
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  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    Heh. You'll only notice no difference with AA if you're blind. My R9500 Pro will handle 1600x1200x32 with 4x AA (or 8x TFSAA) and 16x AF with no problems. Then again, I have VSync on, triple buffering enabled, and a 100hz monitor. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> The 9800 should have no problems with max TFSAA and max aniso, at any res you toss it to.

    Just make sure TruForm is turned off.
    That means turn it off in the drivers, and in HL set 'ati_subdiv 0' and 'ati_npatch 0'. Biggest framerate killer ever, even if it does make the Kharaa look incredible.
  • taboofirestaboofires Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9853Members
    Vsync will either not really affect your framerate (but do its job) or cripple your frame rate. Leave it on unless you notice really bad things.

    The greater your resolution the less important AA is.

    AF is definately good regardless of your resolution, as it fixes more than some errant pixels. I'd rather max that than have half AA and half AF.
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    Actually, Taboo, if you have vsync on and turn on triple-buffering in the 'compatability' tab, it smooths your framerate out so you won't have as many (if any) sharp drops or spikes. Plus, if you have a monitor with a decent refresh rate, having vsync on won't do a darn thing to you, except make the game look better. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • kuperayekuperaye Join Date: 2003-03-14 Member: 14519Members, Constellation
    edited August 2004
    i dont have a compatibility setting :o
    edit its a 9800 pro
  • TheGlowTheGlow Join Date: 2002-11-22 Member: 9650Members
    Odd thing with me is my monitors set to 70, I get 70fps with vsync off.
    I turn it on, and it would toggle between 60 and a really bad 30.
    Beats my nuts.
    Old azz geforce2 gts.
    Looks fine to me with everything else set at default, 1024x768
  • ktimekillerktimekiller Join Date: 2003-02-25 Member: 13958Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-TheGlow+Aug 25 2004, 04:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TheGlow @ Aug 25 2004, 04:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Odd thing with me is my monitors set to 70, I get 70fps with vsync off.
    I turn it on, and it would toggle between 60 and a really bad 30.
    Beats my nuts.
    Old azz geforce2 gts.
    Looks fine to me with everything else set at default, 1024x768 <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    in console, type fps_max 100 that would hlp
  • taboofirestaboofires Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9853Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Talesin+Aug 25 2004, 11:21 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin @ Aug 25 2004, 11:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Actually, Taboo, if you have vsync on and turn on triple-buffering in the 'compatability' tab, it smooths your framerate out so you won't have as many (if any) sharp drops or spikes. Plus, if you have a monitor with a decent refresh rate, having vsync on won't do a darn thing to you, except make the game look better. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'm not sure about the triple buffering, but normally if you have your monitor set to something like 100Hz and you're getting 99fps, vsync will drop you down to like 50.

    But yeah, even if you have it set for a lowly 60Hz, that'd still leave you with 30fps out of 59 possible. And that's not low enough to be choppy.

    Whatever improvements have been made to vsync are great, but I probably don't know them <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • RueRue Join Date: 2002-10-21 Member: 1564Members
    What is trueform <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
    I have the 2 ati_* command set to 1 and I get perfect 60fps(the athlon 3000 helps)
  • TheGlowTheGlow Join Date: 2002-11-22 Member: 9650Members
    fps_max is already at 100.
    Its like, the game is vsynced regardless to my monitors refresh.
    But if I actually turn vsync on, it toggles between my refresh rate, and my rate/2
  • RueRue Join Date: 2002-10-21 Member: 1564Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-TheGlow+Aug 26 2004, 08:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TheGlow @ Aug 26 2004, 08:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> fps_max is already at 100.
    Its like, the game is vsynced regardless to my monitors refresh.
    But if I actually turn vsync on, it toggles between my refresh rate, and my rate/2 <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I had that same problem, I got 60fps no matter what vsync/refresh rate I had my setting to.

    It went away when I moved from a 9600xt to a 9800pro.
  • ElderwyrmElderwyrm Join Date: 2003-04-07 Member: 15296Members
    What would most affect my performance in games? Even with AA and AF set to pretty low levels in some games I don't get very good fps. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    AMD Athlon 2200+
    512 Ram
    ASUS 9800XT
  • dhakbardhakbar Join Date: 2004-08-01 Member: 30305Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Elderwyrm+Aug 26 2004, 04:27 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Elderwyrm @ Aug 26 2004, 04:27 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What would most affect my performance in games? Even with AA and AF set to pretty low levels in some games I don't get very good fps. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    AMD Athlon 2200+
    512 Ram
    ASUS 9800XT <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You need more RAM. 1 gig is a good amount to have for current games.

    The processor is a bit behind the curve, too.
  • RabidWeaselRabidWeasel Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5337Members
    Those people getting 60 fps with vsynch on: get a program like refreshlock to make the game actually run at the refresh rate you want instead of 60hz. It made a lot of difference to me.
  • TheGlowTheGlow Join Date: 2002-11-22 Member: 9650Members
    Dont believe the hype
    Amd 1.33ghz cpu slowed down to 1.0
    PC100 512sdram
    And a geforce2 gts, 32mb.
    And i get 60-80fps steady.
    Default settings, 1024x768
    not like 640x480 with everything off.
  • DragonMechDragonMech Join Date: 2003-09-19 Member: 21023Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Might I also suggest you use the detail textures? They make a huge improvement without much of a performance hit.
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    The Compatability button is on the Catalyst '3D' tab, when you select OpenGL as a radio button. It's not in the 'Custom' button, it's on the same page as the Direct3D/OpenGL radio button. Near the bottom.

    Also, for those getting 60fps with VSync on and a 100hz monitor refresh rate, you need to go into the Advanced section of the display settings, then the 'Monitors' or 'Displays' tab, hit the bar above your LCD/CRT monitor, and select the maximum refresh rate your monitor can handle (if DDC is disabled). Then to the right of that, it has a dropdown box from which you can select a refresh rate for games.
    Select 'same as desktop', and make sure your desktop refresh rate is actually set to 100hz. At that point, when you load HL, if your fps_max is set to 100 (or 101) you'll get a nice, smooth 100fps max refresh rate with VSync on.

    Triple buffering will 'decouple' the video card's max render rate from VSync, so it'll be rendering at top speed in the background, even if it may only display at 100fps, it'll be actually running at 150fps internally. Note, this will not allow HL to go over 100fps. It just means that if you run into an area where your card may have difficulty, it'll already be running faster, so the 'hit' will be less pronounced.
    So if your video card is internally rendering at 150fps, and you get an area that'll hit it to 120fps, you'll see no slowdown. However, if triple buffering is off, or you're running without VSync, you'll see a marked drop from between 100fps down to 80fps or lower, due to the constraints of the game engine.

    The only people who don't use VSync because they think it 'lowers' their maximum fps rate are computer nubs, who don't know how to properly set up their rig.
  • TheGlowTheGlow Join Date: 2002-11-22 Member: 9650Members
    Im fiddling wit my laptop settings and 1024x768, AF 16x, runs 60fps, no prob.
    I change AA from application controlled to manually setting to 4x, fps drop to 12.
    2x, 14fps.
    I dont get it.
    What then technically is application controlled choosing?
  • OrganoXOrganoX Join Date: 2004-03-21 Member: 27473Members
    When i turn Vsync off, i get 100 fps yeah. i know that but the quality reduce much and i get some lines when i move in-game. So i prefer to have Vsync normally on. I get 70 fps with on settings.
  • yZoRyZoR Join Date: 2004-02-19 Member: 26690Members
    edited August 2004
    I have a really bad gfx card so I dont have so good rates <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
    Without vsync on I have around 70-80, But it still depends on what happens ingame tho, it will lower the fps if a turretfarm is made <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    With vsync I have around 90-100 pretty stable bur still it depends on whats happens ingame.

    <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • UzguzUzguz Join Date: 2003-06-05 Member: 17016Members, Constellation
    edited August 2004
    OK, this is going to sound outrageously ridiculous, but how do I make VSync work?

    Now, I'm not asking how to turn it on, exactly; as far as the almost-latest drivers for my stone-age GeForce 2 MX 400 are concerned, it's on as often as I can force it ("On by default"), yet Half-Life conspires to manually turn it <i>off</i> when I play NS. I've tried using that variable - vid_wait, wasn't it? - mentioned in the TechSpot article, but it simply doesn't exist in NS. What else can I do?

    Oh, and for the record, as far as my FPS is concerned: around 60 if I stare at a wall in the Ready Room, between 30-40 in quiet situations, and anywhere between 10-25 in fights, of any magnitude.

    Edit: I forgot to mention that you have about ten minutes to save my life.
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    Heh. On a GF2<b>MX</b>? No clue. I'm talking ATi, here. You'll have to sort through your drivers to see if there's a 'force on' option. I know that nVidia's drivers don't support turning on triple-buffering.

    Besideswhich, with a framerate that low.. you'll just get a visual quality increase more than anything else. Less tearing.
  • SaltzBadSaltzBad Join Date: 2004-02-23 Member: 26833Members
    edited August 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Uzguz+Aug 28 2004, 07:24 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Uzguz @ Aug 28 2004, 07:24 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    Oh, and for the record, as far as my FPS is concerned: around 60 if I stare at a wall in the Ready Room, between 30-40 in quiet situations, and anywhere between 10-25 in fights, of any magnitude.
    <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Try out the Detonator versions 29.42 WHQL Cert or 40.72 for good HL performance with older NVidia cards (40.72 works best for me). I'm using a GF4 MX400, which isn't significantly better than a GF2 and drop to about ~40 FPS in firefights, which is reasonable. I just can't float through the air like the high FPS skulks <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Also, make sure gl_dither is on 0.
  • kavasakavasa Join Date: 2003-01-05 Member: 11889Members, Constellation
    I have vsync off because for some reason it is incredibly difficult to bunnyhop with it on, and incredibly easy if it's off.
  • OrganoXOrganoX Join Date: 2004-03-21 Member: 27473Members
    <b>Uzguz</b>
    When you are playing, how much hz do you have in your monitor?
    I have GF4MX, and i used to have 60hz. And that means 60 fps in-game.
    But now i have the lastest drivers and i can change hz depends on the resolution.
    Now i have 75 hz, 75 fps in-game.
    Take a look at your drivers options and look after "Refresh Rate Overrides".
    It's a very useful options.

    And if you dont find anything, try this link:
    <a href='http://members.cox.net/noshelter/tutorials.htm#six' target='_blank'>FPS Tutorial</a>
  • MavericMaveric Join Date: 2002-08-07 Member: 1101Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Rue+Aug 26 2004, 11:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rue @ Aug 26 2004, 11:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What is trueform <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    trueform is a setting that a video card has to drastically improve the visuals of 3D models, by increasing (and quite dramatically) the number of polygons, and smoothing it out.

    If you normally have a rough looking sphere in a game like HL, with trueform on, that sphere would look silk-smooth instead of pointy.
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