This is really freaky.. Thank gods for the Ballard Fuel cell <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> What is this "Ballard Fuel Cell"?
Yeah, see, the whole problem with the Hydrogen fuel cell is that you need Hydrogen.
And whats the easiest way to get Hydrogen? From water of course! And how do you perform electrolisys on water? With electricity? And how do you generate electricity?
Fossil fuels.
So, its not really all that much a saviour unless we find a quick way to replace all the fossil fuel power-plants with nuclear/solar/hydroelectric/windmill power-planets very soon.
Hydrogen powered Engine pretty much <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Fuel cells have no moving parts; therefore they have excellent reliability and long operating lives.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uhh... fuel cells, as far as i know, use a very very delicate membrane at the heart of the engine... dunno about "excellent reliability"
Also, where do we get the hydrogen? Right now we get it from oil.
<!--QuoteBegin-404NotFound+Aug 24 2004, 05:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (404NotFound @ Aug 24 2004, 05:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Also, where do we get the hydrogen? Right now we get it from oil. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteBegin-Mantrid @ Aug 24 2004+ 05:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mantrid @ Aug 24 2004 @ 05:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Yeah, see, the whole problem with the Hydrogen fuel cell is that you need Hydrogen.
And whats the easiest way to get Hydrogen? From water of course! And how do you perform electrolisys on water? With electricity? And how do you generate electricity?
Fossil fuels.
So, its not really all that much a saviour unless we find a quick way to replace all the fossil fuel power-plants with nuclear/solar/hydroelectric/windmill power-planets very soon.
Or, get used to walking. A lot.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-version91x+Aug 24 2004, 09:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (version91x @ Aug 24 2004, 09:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> nuclear power plants can make electricity too. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Nuclear energy is pretty good, although not great. I think it's as close to "Free energy" as i'll see in my lifetime.
Nuclear energy is an excellent solution to tide us over after oil, it's reliable, it's clean -in its own way, and due to modern safety procedures it's pretty safe.
The only draw back is the waste, which will practically NEVER go away, the only answer for this I can think of is to jettison the waste into space. It's just not good for us to be putting it into the ground as it is, and if we were to rely on it much more heavily we would have to get ride of the waste this way.
<!--QuoteBegin-version91x+Aug 24 2004, 06:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (version91x @ Aug 24 2004, 06:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> nuclear power plants can make electricity too. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteBegin-Mantrid @ Aug 24 2004+ 05:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mantrid @ Aug 24 2004 @ 05:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Yeah, see, the whole problem with the Hydrogen fuel cell is that you need Hydrogen.
And whats the easiest way to get Hydrogen? From water of course! And how do you perform electrolisys on water? With electricity? And how do you generate electricity?
Fossil fuels.
<b>So, its not really all that much a saviour unless we find a quick way to replace all the fossil fuel power-plants with nuclear</b><s>/solar/hydroelectric/windmill</s> power-planets very soon.
Or, get used to walking. A lot.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I quite like hydroelectricity, though it's hard to generate in the US. (Go Canada! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> We store electricity and sell it to the US, and we still have enough stored to power Quebec and Ontario for 15 years if we can suddenly generate no more power.)
<!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Aug 24 2004, 09:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Aug 24 2004, 09:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I quite like hydroelectricity, though it's hard to generate in the US. (Go Canada! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> We store electricity and sell it to the US, and we still have enough stored to power Quebec and Ontario for 15 years if we can suddenly generate no more power.) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I somehow doubt that.. stored how? like.. in batteries? that would take a HUGE amount of storage.
<!--QuoteBegin-Mantrid+Aug 24 2004, 11:07 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mantrid @ Aug 24 2004, 11:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> How are you "storing" electricity? Cubic mile after cubic mile of capacitors? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I have absolutely no idea, but it's something that interests me. I'm just relaying what I learned in a high school geography class. Give me a while, I'm gonna do some research.
The other problem with ANY alternate energy source is that it (and any infrastructure) would have to be built, which would required tremendous amounts of fossil fuels to accomplish. So even if september 1st someone invented a perfectly functioning fusion reactor it wouldn't help much because of the immense amount of work and fuel required to build a sufficient number of reactors.
Then there is also the fact that oil is not used only for fuel and power production. There are many many things which come from oil, the largest aside from energy probably being plastics.
Well, at least with Bush , not releasing oil reserves , it gives the oil prices a stagnate rise and probably lessen the dependence of oil because of the price it command. At least , I hope <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--> . It probably will foster alternative oil research because it neccsisty before it's impossible to recover.
we can last atleast 30 more years at this rate and thats plenty of time to get the hydrogen cells popular and whatnot id say in about 20 years every car will be hydrogen
If a wind turbine were built for every ignorant person in this thread, we'd have enough energy to power everything on Earth for the next 2 millenia.
(we all love "if ... for every ... then")
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->We'll think of something<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Mm-yeah. Leave everything to the last drop of oil. It'll be too late <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Hey, did you guys know that when the clock reaches January 1, 2000, all the computer systems in the world will shut down?! Yes.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Tell me what that was based on. Then, tell me what this oil theory is based on. Research of top-level scientists (find some links at the site that was listed at the thread topic).
I don't know how some brains work, but I think it should be pretty obvious that if one's constantly depleting one resource (which is not replenishing), it will end some time. No?
<span style='color:gray'>Sorry if anything I said was flammatory, wrong or whatever. I'm sleeptyping <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--></span>
<!--QuoteBegin-Avenger-X+Aug 24 2004, 09:26 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Avenger-X @ Aug 24 2004, 09:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> its crazy how much oil there was in the world... and soon it will be all gone... dang dinosaurs just didn't make enoug!\
stupid dinosaurs <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Oh there is still more, the problem is they can only get about 30% of the oil out of a reserve before the pressure is just too low to get the oil up, and that is with recent methods of getting more out than 50 years ago.
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This is really freaky.. Thank gods for the Ballard Fuel cell <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
What is this "Ballard Fuel Cell"?
Hydrogen powered Engine pretty much
And whats the easiest way to get Hydrogen? From water of course! And how do you perform electrolisys on water? With electricity? And how do you generate electricity?
Fossil fuels.
So, its not really all that much a saviour unless we find a quick way to replace all the fossil fuel power-plants with nuclear/solar/hydroelectric/windmill power-planets very soon.
Or, get used to walking. A lot.
Hydrogen powered Engine pretty much <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Fuel cells have no moving parts; therefore they have excellent reliability and long operating lives.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uhh... fuel cells, as far as i know, use a very very delicate membrane at the heart of the engine... dunno about "excellent reliability"
Also, where do we get the hydrogen? Right now we get it from oil.
<!--QuoteBegin-Mantrid @ Aug 24 2004+ 05:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mantrid @ Aug 24 2004 @ 05:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Yeah, see, the whole problem with the Hydrogen fuel cell is that you need Hydrogen.
And whats the easiest way to get Hydrogen? From water of course! And how do you perform electrolisys on water? With electricity? And how do you generate electricity?
Fossil fuels.
So, its not really all that much a saviour unless we find a quick way to replace all the fossil fuel power-plants with nuclear/solar/hydroelectric/windmill power-planets very soon.
Or, get used to walking. A lot.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nuclear energy is pretty good, although not great. I think it's as close to "Free energy" as i'll see in my lifetime.
They'll come up with something. Too much money to be lost for the world to go w/o transportation after all...
The only draw back is the waste, which will practically NEVER go away, the only answer for this I can think of is to jettison the waste into space.
It's just not good for us to be putting it into the ground as it is, and if we were to rely on it much more heavily we would have to get ride of the waste this way.
I can't think of anything else?
<!--QuoteBegin-Mantrid @ Aug 24 2004+ 05:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mantrid @ Aug 24 2004 @ 05:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Yeah, see, the whole problem with the Hydrogen fuel cell is that you need Hydrogen.
And whats the easiest way to get Hydrogen? From water of course! And how do you perform electrolisys on water? With electricity? And how do you generate electricity?
Fossil fuels.
<b>So, its not really all that much a saviour unless we find a quick way to replace all the fossil fuel power-plants with nuclear</b><s>/solar/hydroelectric/windmill</s> power-planets very soon.
Or, get used to walking. A lot.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I somehow doubt that.. stored how? like.. in batteries? that would take a HUGE amount of storage.
2. Offshore
3. OPEC can't be trusted.
4. No oil has been discovered since 1991 when two supergiant feilds in Kazakstan.
5. We need to build a base on Mars and create a device called a "hydrocon".
I have absolutely no idea, but it's something that interests me. I'm just relaying what I learned in a high school geography class. Give me a while, I'm gonna do some research.
Then there is also the fact that oil is not used only for fuel and power production. There are many many things which come from oil, the largest aside from energy probably being plastics.
I'll tell you if I was able to sleep in the morning...
Good night. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
stupid dinosaurs
Whoa whoa whoa, that's not Bush's fault.
(we all love "if ... for every ... then")
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->We'll think of something<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Mm-yeah. Leave everything to the last drop of oil. It'll be too late <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused-fix.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Hey, did you guys know that when the clock reaches January 1, 2000, all the computer systems in the world will shut down?! Yes.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Tell me what that was based on.
Then, tell me what this oil theory is based on. Research of top-level scientists (find some links at the site that was listed at the thread topic).
I don't know how some brains work, but I think it should be pretty obvious that if one's constantly depleting one resource (which is not replenishing), it will end some time. No?
<span style='color:gray'>Sorry if anything I said was flammatory, wrong or whatever. I'm sleeptyping <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile-fix.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile-fix.gif' /><!--endemo--></span>
stupid dinosaurs <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Oh there is still more, the problem is they can only get about 30% of the oil out of a reserve before the pressure is just too low to get the oil up, and that is with recent methods of getting more out than 50 years ago.