Geforce 4 Mx 4000

MulletMullet Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15910Members, Constellation
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<div class="IPBDescription">um</div> I'm thinking of upgrading my old card (Radeon 64mb DDR - my old computer) to a cheap Nvidia card. Has anyone tried the GeForce 4 MX 4000? Its a reasonable price, so that right there is good enough for me....

I've always used ATI, so I wanted to give Nvidia a chance this time...What do you guys think?
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  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    Its crap. Seriously, it is utter and complete crap.

    Its the 400 btw, not 4000.

    And its the equivilant of a Geforce2 GTS.

    You won't even be able to run DOOM3, and I doubt it would run HL2 very well.
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  • usernameusername Join Date: 2004-06-22 Member: 29473Members
    edited July 2004
    i've got an asus gf4mx440 64mb, it was about $60AU a few months ago, and i'll tell ya, it was well worth it. gives me 60fps constant with 1024x768x32 in any hl mods. that's all that matters. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    edit: doom, i'm pretty sure there is a 4000 series.
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  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    No, there's not.

    There's the MX 400, which is utter crap and near equivilant of a Geforce 2 GTS.

    THen there's there Ti4200, 4400, and 4600. There is no 4000, and the 4200's, 4400's, and 4600's do not have "MX" anywhere in their name.
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  • MelatoninMelatonin Babbler Join Date: 2003-03-15 Member: 14551Members, Constellation
    my GeForce FX5200 cost only £50.
    runs NS nicely on about 70fps with 6x anti aliasing and Vsync on.
    also manages to get full detail on UT2k4 1024x768 running rather smoothly.


    only problem is I get strange unwanted triangles appearing from the landscape which often get in the way.
    though im not sure what causes this.
    ^^ If anyone has any advice to fix this btw, pls tell! [just replaced the card from an old one of the same make, problem percists]


    ahhh, at least NS runs nicely.
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  • EmseeEmsee Join Date: 2003-05-23 Member: 16644Members, Constellation
    edited July 2004
    There is a new Geforce4 MX 4000 (not 400) out, not much info about on it though. I found this site, with a gfx card round up on it that includes the mx4000.

    It comes pretty much dead last in almost all of the tests, even beaten by the MX440, although that had agp8x, but draw from it what you will.
    <a href='http://www.digital-daily.com/video/vga-roundup/' target='_blank'>Link</a>
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  • 7Bistromath7Bistromath Join Date: 2003-12-04 Member: 23928Members, Constellation
    edited July 2004
    I also got an FX 5200 pretty cheap. I've never had problems with it,* and from what I understand, my recent performance angst with newer games is more likely to be the result of an old processor and a smaller-than-recommended amount of RAM than an old video card. (I run on an Athlon XP 1700+) If Melatonin says you should get that, I say you should trust him, because mine works pretty well, too.


    *Except with the newest drivers. They caused crashes. Just get the ones before the current set, and you'll be fine.

    Expect Talesin & Co. to be by any minute to tell you what a dirty heathen you are, by the way. Mentioning video cards around here is like some kind of summoning spell.
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  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    I stand corrected. Don't remember hearing about those for the life of me.

    I would still check out reviews and whatnot first, and I would still recommend going w/ the budge end ATI or NVidia cards based off their newest lineups. They'll only be a couple bucks more.
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  • Jim_has_SkillzJim_has_Skillz Join Date: 2003-01-19 Member: 12475Members, Constellation
    I got a Geforce 3 and I get over 100+ fps in Half-Life.
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  • EmseeEmsee Join Date: 2003-05-23 Member: 16644Members, Constellation
    Picked up some more info, tech detail etc comparing almost all availabl video cards ever....or something. Anyway <a href='http://www.rojakpot.com/default.aspx?location=3&var1=88&var2=0' target='_blank'>Linky</a>

    Heres the relevent info for the GeForce 4 MX range and also the 5200

    GeForce4 MX420
    Core: 250 MHz
    Fillrate: 1000 MTexels/s
    128-bit
    SDR
    Memory: 166 MHz
    Bandwidth: 2.66 GB/s

    GeForce4 MX440 SE
    C: 250 MHz
    F/R: 1000 MTexels/s
    64-bit
    DDR
    M: 333 MHz
    BW: 5.33 GB/s

    GeForce4 MX440
    C: 270 MHz
    F/R: 1080 MTexels/s
    128-bit
    DDR
    M: 200 MHz
    BW: 6.40 GB/s

    GeForce4 MX440-8X
    C: 270 MHz
    F/R: 1080 MTexels/s
    128-bit
    DDR
    M: 250 MHz
    BW: 8.00 GB/s

    GeForce4 MX460
    C: 300 MHz
    F/R: 1200 MTexels/s
    128-bit
    DDR
    M: 275 MHz
    BW: 8.80 GB/s

    GeForce4 MX4000
    C: 275 MHz
    FR: 1100 MTexels/s
    128-bit
    DDR
    M: 200 MHz
    BW: 6.40 GB/s

    GeForce FX 5200 SE/XT
    C: 250 MHz
    FR: 1000 MTexels/s
    64-bit
    DDR
    M: 166 MHz
    BW: 2.70 GB/s

    GeForce FX 5200
    C: 250 MHz
    FR: 1000 MTexels/s
    128-bit
    DDR
    M: 250 MHz
    BW: 8.00 GB/s

    GeForce FX 5200 Ultra
    C: 325 MHz
    FR: 1300 MTexels/s
    128-bit
    DDR
    M: 325 MHz
    BW: 10.40 GB/s


    MX Series has no Pixel Shader support, 5200 has 2.0. Much more info on the page. But thats the basics of the Nvidia cards.
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  • TequilaTequila Join Date: 2003-08-13 Member: 19660Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Jim has Skillz+Jul 19 2004, 03:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jim has Skillz @ Jul 19 2004, 03:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I got a Geforce 3 and I get over 100+ fps in Half-Life. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Awesome! Except you don't; anything over 100 is the engine telling you what you <i>would</i> get, if Half-Life wasn't hardcoded with a 100 FPS ceiling.
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  • DOOManiacDOOManiac Worst. Critic. Ever. Join Date: 2002-04-17 Member: 462Members, NS1 Playtester
    That's because you're using a card probably a few thousand times faster than the fastest card available when Half-Life shipped. Comparing FPS in HL is useless and silly. I have spare cards sitting around collecting dust that would get 100+ FPS in Half-Life.
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  • MulletMullet Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15910Members, Constellation
    I'm not looking for a videocard to run HL2...I'm puting this on my old computer (800 mhz). I just want a card that can run UT2004 decently...

    My old card can hardly run HL as it is....So if you guys have any good suggestions for a cheap/stable card....let me know.
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  • usernameusername Join Date: 2004-06-22 Member: 29473Members
    is ut2k4 that low-end? :o i didn't think i'd have a chance of running it on my gf4.
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  • ZelZel Join Date: 2003-01-27 Member: 12861Members
    a gf4ti would do nicely, they overpower the fx5200 and the whole MX line. they are also old enough to be dirt cheap.
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  • JaspJasp Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13076Members
    Bah UT2k4 will run on my GF2 rofl

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->UT2004 Official System Requirements

    Operating System: Windows® 98/Me/2000/XP
    Processor: Pentium® III or AMD Athlon 1.0 GHz processor or faster (1.5 GHz or faster processor recommended)
    Memory: 128 MB RAM minimum (256 MB recommended)
    Hard Disk Space: 5.5 GB free
    Video: Any Windows-compatible video card(NVIDIA GeForce 2 or ATI Radeon with at least 64 megs of video memory recommended.)
    Sound: Windows®-compatible sound card. NVIDIA® nForce™ or other motherboards/soundcards containing the Dolby® Digital Interactive Content Encoder required for Dolby Digital audio.
    DirectX®: DirectX® version 8.1(included)or higher
    Multiplayer: Internet (TCP/IP) and LAN (TCP/IP)play supported. 33.6K baud modem or broadband Internet connection recommended.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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  • usernameusername Join Date: 2004-06-22 Member: 29473Members
    edited July 2004
    AAAAH!!! downloading demo now!! 4 minutes left!

    bloody hell this takes a long time to install...
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  • eedioteediot Join Date: 2003-02-24 Member: 13903Members
    As far as I'm aware, those are the bare minimum physical hardware requirements to actually run the game. It doesn't mean it'll run it well, or even acceptably.
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  • usernameusername Join Date: 2004-06-22 Member: 29473Members
    well, my comp is 1.15ghz, 512mb ram, 64mb gf4mx and IT KICKED ARSE. ran smooth as anything with medium-low settings. damn, i'm gonna have to buy this game sometime very soon. and it has so many cool mods, too! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • eedioteediot Join Date: 2003-02-24 Member: 13903Members
    Ooh. That almost gives me hope. Almost. Until I remember that I am running a athlon 600, geforce 2 mx 400, with 256 mb ram <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • MulletMullet Join Date: 2003-04-28 Member: 15910Members, Constellation
    I think i'm going to get the GeForce FX5200. Thanks guys <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • CartiCarti Join Date: 2003-07-12 Member: 18099Members, Constellation
    Well, i play NS at 1248x1024 on my Geforce 4 MX 440. 85-100fps non-stop. So i really cant see why people would go for a ATI Raedon 9800 for half life, as i have seen with CS'ers.

    For newer games, UT2004 is ran smoothly with this card, even with "high" settings.

    HL2? I'm not sure.. i'll use my dads ATI raedon 9800 to see whether i would need one or not.
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  • BigMadSteveBigMadSteve Join Date: 2003-02-12 Member: 13472Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Cartman2b^+Jul 19 2004, 10:41 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cartman2b^ @ Jul 19 2004, 10:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well, i play NS at 1248x1024 on my Geforce 4 MX 440. 85-100fps non-stop. So i really cant see why people would go for a ATI Raedon 9800 for half life, as i have seen with CS'ers.

    For newer games, UT2004 is ran smoothly with this card, even with "high" settings.

    <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    From personal experience: I used to have a MX 440. It would run HL smoothly like you said as well as the new UT. However, in some games, there are a lot of details that are simply not there on the MX440. Take Halo for example. On my MX440 the windows on the dropships were simply grey and on the buggy they were see through. On my new(ish) 9600 Pro the windows are slightly reflective.
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  • EpidemicEpidemic Dark Force Gorge Join Date: 2003-06-29 Member: 17781Members
    edited July 2004
    My brother has a GF4ti (I think it is) and it pwns my ati 9600 pro in halflife, cs and ns <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> He gets 99 fps nonstop and I swing around 40-60 (yes, v-sync is off and fps_max is 100)
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  • JimmehJimmeh Join Date: 2003-08-24 Member: 20173Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Epidemic+Jul 19 2004, 12:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Epidemic @ Jul 19 2004, 12:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> My brother has a GF4ti (I think it is) and it pwns my ati 9600 pro in halflife, cs and ns <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> He gets 99 fps nonstop and I swing around 40-60 (yes, v-sync is off and fps_max is 100) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Driver problem. Try the latest Omega drivers.
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  • SnidelySnidely Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13098Members
    edited July 2004
    I didn't see it mentioned, so apologies if it's been pointed out: some games won't run on an MX. For example, Prince of Persia: Sands of Time, DX:IW, Thief III. Beware!
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