Compnub Needs Help

NEO_PhyteNEO_Phyte We need shirtgons! Join Date: 2003-12-16 Member: 24453Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">on a new system</div> im going to college in August, so im going to be getting a new system soon.

i live in a DELL family, so you wouldnt expect me of all people to make this kind of thread.

the problem is, the CHEAPEST sysem dell offers that DOESNT have integrated Video hardware is over the PC budget.

so i need to know what a good system setup would be for ~$600 (plz list cases and power supplies and whatever else)

also, are there any good computer hardware stores in the Omaha, NE area, or should i stick to online purchasing?

Please help, i dont want a comp that cant run the new stuff that is coming out (hopefully) soon

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  • douchebagatrondouchebagatron Custom member title Join Date: 2003-12-20 Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    it might be a little tough to get a comp that is gonna run the new stuff for around 600. your best bet would be to go to a computer show somewhere in your area.
  • BigMadSteveBigMadSteve Join Date: 2003-02-12 Member: 13472Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-NEO_Phyte+Jul 18 2004, 09:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NEO_Phyte @ Jul 18 2004, 09:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> the problem is, the CHEAPEST sysem dell offers that DOESNT have integrated Video hardware is over the PC budget.

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    Why don't you just get one that does have integrated graphics then put a decent card in? Or is it one of those that doesn't allow you to do so? I had a Packard Bell like that. I had to flip a jumper on the motherboard.
  • NEO_PhyteNEO_Phyte We need shirtgons&#33; Join Date: 2003-12-16 Member: 24453Members, Constellation
    edited July 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-BigMadSteve+Jul 18 2004, 03:09 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BigMadSteve @ Jul 18 2004, 03:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-NEO_Phyte+Jul 18 2004, 09:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (NEO_Phyte @ Jul 18 2004, 09:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> the problem is, the CHEAPEST sysem dell offers that DOESNT have integrated Video hardware is over the PC budget.

    <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Why don't you just get one that does have integrated graphics then put a decent card in? Or is it one of those that doesn't allow you to do so? I had a Packard Bell like that. I had to flip a jumper on the motherboard. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    i dunno, lemme quick check if i can find out

    :edit:

    i didnt see anything on the dell website, does anyone know whether steve's idea would work (Dimension 2400) if so, what would a good card be?

    :edit: AHA!! it has 3 PCI slots
  • BigMadSteveBigMadSteve Join Date: 2003-02-12 Member: 13472Members
    If it doesn't have an AGP slot then you probably won't be able to run any of the new stuff that's coming out since that's what most graphics cards use nowadays. Semi-decent PCI graphics cards are extremely expensive compared to AGP ones from what I've saw.

    There is a new type of card coming out soon that uses "PCI Express". The thing is, I'm not sure if they use a regular PCI slot or a new special one.
  • Dorian_GrayDorian_Gray Join Date: 2004-02-15 Member: 26581Members, Constellation
    edited July 2004
    You need a PCI Express mobo to use PCI Express. As for a very decent comp for $600... that's pushing it. A vid card is gonna be ~$150-$200, and a CPU about the same. There's $300-$400 right there. A HDD is about $75, sound card about $100, case about $100 and a mobo is about $100. Thats not including a monitor, optical drive, keyboard, mouse, floppy drive, etc, and you've already reached or exceeded your limit.

    Edit: PCI graphics cards are NOT worth it. They won't play most of last year's games, let alone stuff like FarCry. The most advanced I've seen is a Radeon 9200, and thats still with a slower connection to the motherboard.
  • NEO_PhyteNEO_Phyte We need shirtgons&#33; Join Date: 2003-12-16 Member: 24453Members, Constellation
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    this is the only computer thread on the past 6 pages to NOT get a post by talesin, who really seems to know computer stuff
  • Dorian_GrayDorian_Gray Join Date: 2004-02-15 Member: 26581Members, Constellation
    Oh he'll be along soon enough I'm betting.
  • douchebagatrondouchebagatron Custom member title Join Date: 2003-12-20 Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-Dorian Gray+Jul 18 2004, 05:16 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dorian Gray @ Jul 18 2004, 05:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ...sound card about $100, case about $100... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    whaaat? im gettin a decent 5.1 surround sound card off newegg for 30

    and my case is pretty nice and it was only 40.
  • Dorian_GrayDorian_Gray Join Date: 2004-02-15 Member: 26581Members, Constellation
    Yeah I just realized we're probably not talking the same currency here <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> I got some of my figures off of bestbuy's site (USD) and some off of futureshop's site (CDN). That's probably why <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • NEO_PhyteNEO_Phyte We need shirtgons&#33; Join Date: 2003-12-16 Member: 24453Members, Constellation
    edited July 2004
    nothing definate yet, but i _MAY_ have found a Dell system my parents can agree with, but just in case, i would like to hear Talesin's idea (if he ever posts it)

    :edit: <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> he isnt listed as veiwing anymore, and he didnt post <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • TalesinTalesin Our own little well of hate Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7710NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators
    Heh. I COULD build one out here for under $600, using off the shelf parts.

    $179 - Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB (Best Buy)
    $120 - AMD AthlonXP 2900 w/mobo (Fry's)
    $40 - 80GB Western Digital IDE HDD (Fry's, after $40 mail-in)
    $5 - Case w/350w PSU (Always is at least one at Fry's, maybe $20)
    $50 - 8x DVD/CD burner (Fry's)
    $20 - NIC (Fry's, if the mobo doesn't have one... usually they do)
    $120 - 1GB PC3200 Corsair DDR (Fry's, 2x 512 DIMM, after $30 mail-in... also $70 for one 512 dimm of the same stuff)

    So far, that's about $550 before tax, lacking a keyboard and mouse which would run about twenty or thirty bucks combined.
    Add on about $120 for a DECENT monitor (as in, can handle 1600x1200x32 at least) on sale, and you have a full machine for about $750, before tax.


    Cutting to the baseline, kill the burner and slap in a standard CD drive (non-dvd) -$30, kill half the ram -$50, and get a crappy monitor -$50... and you have one for around $620.
    Note that is before tax, and counting any mail-in rebates still. So the counter purchase price will be a bit higher.

    If you have a monitor/keyboard already, that'll drop the price more.

    Oh, and no sound card is listed given that most mobos already have on-board audio. Tack on $20 for an OEM SBLive Value, if you can't live with the onboard.
  • ZelZel Join Date: 2003-01-27 Member: 12861Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Talesin+Jul 18 2004, 07:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin @ Jul 18 2004, 07:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Heh. I COULD build one out here for under $600, using off the shelf parts.

    $179 - Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB (Best Buy)
    $120 - AMD AthlonXP 2900 w/mobo (Fry's)
    $40 - 80GB Western Digital IDE HDD (Fry's, after $40 mail-in)
    $5 - Case w/350w PSU (Always is at least one at Fry's, maybe $20)
    $50 - 8x DVD/CD burner (Fry's)
    $20 - NIC (Fry's, if the mobo doesn't have one... usually they do)
    $120 - 1GB PC3200 Corsair DDR (Fry's, 2x 512 DIMM, after $30 mail-in... also $70 for one 512 dimm of the same stuff)

    So far, that's about $550 before tax, lacking a keyboard and mouse which would run about twenty or thirty bucks combined.
    Add on about $120 for a DECENT monitor (as in, can handle 1600x1200x32 at least) on sale, and you have a full machine for about $750, before tax.


    Cutting to the baseline, kill the burner and slap in a standard CD drive (non-dvd) -$30, kill half the ram -$50, and get a crappy monitor -$50... and you have one for around $620.
    Note that is before tax, and counting any mail-in rebates still. So the counter purchase price will be a bit higher.

    If you have a monitor/keyboard already, that'll drop the price more.

    Oh, and no sound card is listed given that most mobos already have on-board audio. Tack on $20 for an OEM SBLive Value, if you can't live with the onboard. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    talesin's got it before i could post.

    600$ builds a VERY nice computer these days, and youll have a few years warantee on every one of those parts that you do the registration card for.

    spend a little more on the motherboard and power supply for extra reliability, and youre looking at $750 tops.
  • NEO_PhyteNEO_Phyte We need shirtgons&#33; Join Date: 2003-12-16 Member: 24453Members, Constellation
    who/what/where is this Fry's?
  • IsamilIsamil Join Date: 2003-11-25 Member: 23552Members, Constellation
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    Quick question about that RAM..is that a 1GB stick for $120! Or are you saying 2 512 sticks...even so, thats amazing..
  • NEO_PhyteNEO_Phyte We need shirtgons&#33; Join Date: 2003-12-16 Member: 24453Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Quick question about that RAM..is that a 1GB stick for $120! Or are you saying 2 512 sticks...even so, thats amazing.. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    <!--QuoteBegin-Talesin+Jul 18 2004, 06:51 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Talesin @ Jul 18 2004, 06:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    $120 - 1GB PC3200 Corsair DDR (Fry's, <span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>2x 512 DIMM</span>, after $30 mail-in... also $70 for one 512 dimm of the same stuff)
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    hmmm, i wonder how that ram is configured too....
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