Fans Of Deus Ex Please Read

JimmehJimmeh Join Date: 2003-08-24 Member: 20173Members, Constellation
edited July 2004 in Off-Topic
[18:09] Jimmeh the nub : It features localisation damage on enemys and you
[18:09] Jimmeh the nub : It features skills which you can upgrade on XP
[18:09] Jimmeh the nub : You can get new abilites through bio mods
[18:10] Jimmeh the nub : There are at least 2, often 3+ ways of completing missions
[18:10] Jimmeh the nub : There are often things that change the story slightly, like killing someone or saving them (switching sites as it were)
[18:10] Jimmeh the nub : It's got one of the best storys ever
[18:10] Jimmeh the nub : Wide choice of weapons
[18:10] Jimmeh the nub : Stealth elements
[18:10] Jimmeh the nub : Multiple ammo types...
[18:22] jragon: concept is ok
[18:22] jragon: but it honestly doesnt pull it off
[18:22] jragon: it would be better to be excluse to psx
[18:22] jragon: iirc it was on there
[18:22] jragon: and it definately plays like a cheesey console game
[18:22] jragon: eg syphon filter

Anyone want to disagree?

EDIT - Forgot a few things.

NPC interaction? Check.
Hacking to disable security systems? Check
Lock picking to find new weapons/ammo? Check
Secret locations to find which reveal new parts of story? Check
Multiple people to side with which change how the game plays? Check.

Comments

  • RellixRellix Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13572Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Psx? Not a chance, look what happend to DX:IW when it was developed in synch with a consol platform.
  • UnderDOGUnderDOG Join Date: 2003-04-05 Member: 15221Members
    Im not really sure what point your trying to make here, it all seems to be about the first game, which is almost universally accepted to be great.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    Deus Ex was on the Playstation, but you know those console gamers. If you can't play a game with two buttons and a joystick, it's too complex for them.
  • StarchyStarchy Join Date: 2003-04-21 Member: 15727Members, Constellation
    edited July 2004
    <span style='color:white'>Be nice.</span>

    Heh, I was only pointing out that 'jragon' is a fool! <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Marik_SteeleMarik_Steele To rule in hell... Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9466Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Jimmeh+Jul 16 2004, 12:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jimmeh @ Jul 16 2004, 12:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> [...]
    [18:22] jragon: concept is ok
    [18:22] jragon: but it honestly doesnt pull it off
    [18:22] jragon: it would be better to be excluse to psx
    [18:22] jragon: iirc it was on there
    [18:22] jragon: and it definately plays like a cheesey console game
    [18:22] jragon: eg syphon filter
    [...] <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If Deus Ex is cheesy, give me a lifetime supply of cheese wheels. This jragon seems to be..."uninformed." I won't call him stupid, and I certainly won't agree with above posters that he "needs to die," but I classify him as one of the many types of people who don't give something an honest try before slamming it.
  • Billy_SilverfishBilly_Silverfish Join Date: 2003-04-20 Member: 15688Members
    He's entitled to his opinion. There's no need to be all "OMG look at this nub who doesn't like the game I like"
  • TequilaTequila Join Date: 2003-08-13 Member: 19660Members
    edited July 2004
    Indeed, but still, if you can't comprehend the glory of Deus Ex, don't resort to calling it cheesy in an attempt to save face.
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    Yeah, you want cheesy, go play Deus Ex 2 and stare at the purple hair.
  • JimmehJimmeh Join Date: 2003-08-24 Member: 20173Members, Constellation
    ...

    *sigh*

    He insists that the AI is "****", and he constantly insists that the AI from the time from the "wicked" console games was "pwnage" and "owned the **** AI from Deus Ex". Of course, because Deus Ex was released on Playstation, it should have had wicked AI. I mean consoles are the best aren't they dear?

    He also insists that the game's atmosphere is ****. He compares it to Unreal Tournament, apperntly the graphics are the same, they walk the same, the hud looks similar and alot more... well this amazing... who would have known? It couldn't be because the same engine could it? Nah impossible... Of course, the gritty, dark, realistic atmosphere is rubbish isn't it. All of that attention to detail is rubbish. The people infected virtually "rotting" in the streets, hanging round fires. Carboard shacks with dirty matresses, drug syringes and alchohol bottles lying on the floor... NPC's begging you for money as you walk around... Yeh, rubbish isn't it?
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    The AI in Deus Ex sucked. Live with it <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Seph_KimaraSeph_Kimara Join Date: 2003-08-10 Member: 19359Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-TychoCelchuuu+Jul 16 2004, 08:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Jul 16 2004, 08:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The AI in Deus Ex sucked. Live with it <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It was decent for its time. By today's standards, yeah, it sucked.
  • Nil_IQNil_IQ Join Date: 2003-04-15 Member: 15520Members
    edited July 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Seph Kimara+Jul 16 2004, 04:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Seph Kimara @ Jul 16 2004, 04:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-TychoCelchuuu+Jul 16 2004, 08:58 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Jul 16 2004, 08:58 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The AI in Deus Ex sucked. Live with it  <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It was decent for its time. By today's standards, yeah, it sucked. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I hate to say it, but even by the standards THEN it sucked.

    The AI simply runs towards you until it is in weapon range, then proceeds to fire at you until you die. Oh, and sometimes it is capable of such amazing feats as "running towards you and shooting" and "running sideways and shooting" but these were pretty much done at random (except the bosses who just strafe like crazy). Oh, and when they reach a certain preset health level they put their weapons away and run. They don't regroup, they just run forever until you kill them. Even Half-life had better AI. *disclaimer* Half-life's AI was ground-breaking for the time, i'm just saying Deus Ex was released later and had far worse AI. *edit*

    Despite my bashings, Deus Ex WAS an awesome game, I just tend not to think of it as an FPS, but as an RPG which just HAPPENS to be played in a first-person perspective. And RPGs don't need good AI <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    Deus Ex rocked. AI though...

    I'll never forget my fondest memory of any AI related experience: I was swimming around. Some NSF guard saw me, jumped into the water, and pulled a knife. I whacked him a bit with a baton, causing him to sheath his knife and swim away. Into the sea. I'll always remember the lone NSF guard swimming as fast as possible into the dark night, away from civilization.

    Or when an AI bad guy pulled a stealth pistol to kill a helpless civilian: he strafed left and right, firing wildly, hitting one out of every 6 shots. The helpless civilian simply cowered, taking shot after shot without moving. Odd...

    But Deus Ex is my favorite single player game and second favorite overall.
  • douchebagatrondouchebagatron Custom member title Join Date: 2003-12-20 Member: 24581Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    i agree. crappy ai. but so many other awesome things covered for the crappy ai.
  • NarfwakNarfwak Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5258Members, Super Administrators, Forum Admins, NS1 Playtester, Playtest Lead, Forum Moderators, Constellation, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue, Reinforced - Supporter, Reinforced - Silver, Reinforced - Gold, Reinforced - Diamond, Reinforced - Shadow, Subnautica PT Lead, NS2 Community Developer
    <!--QuoteBegin-TychoCelchuuu+Jul 16 2004, 03:36 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Jul 16 2004, 03:36 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Deus Ex rocked. AI though...

    I'll never forget my fondest memory of any AI related experience: I was swimming around. Some NSF guard saw me, jumped into the water, and pulled a knife. I whacked him a bit with a baton, causing him to sheath his knife and swim away. Into the sea. I'll always remember the lone NSF guard swimming as fast as possible into the dark night, away from civilization.

    Or when an AI bad guy pulled a stealth pistol to kill a helpless civilian: he strafed left and right, firing wildly, hitting one out of every 6 shots. The helpless civilian simply cowered, taking shot after shot without moving. Odd...

    But Deus Ex is my favorite single player game and second favorite overall. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    For me, part of DX's charm was the quirky, yet functional, AI. Mixing up quest items and doing things in weird orders to make the faction system break was always great fun. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • PulsePulse To create, to create and escape. Join Date: 2002-08-29 Member: 1248Members, Constellation
    edited July 2004
    The AI in DX is much better than most people say it is. They <i>do</i> use cover, and know how to get at you when you have cover (they basically just strafe to a position that makes it useless or throw a LAM). And if two AI's are attacking you, they will split up and strafe in opposite directions. They really know how to strafe, kind of like Halo. Unlike Halo though, it's kind of quirky, but that's all the better because you get those "WTH" moments.

    They're also the only enemies in any singleplayer fps ever to actually be able to run out of ammo. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • SoulSkorpionSoulSkorpion Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 423Members
    Er...

    Why exactly are we holding an argument against someone who isn't even <i>here</i>?
  • TommyVercettiTommyVercetti Join Date: 2003-02-10 Member: 13390Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Deus Ex is great in almost every aspect except its AI; a remake of DX with, say, Halo's AI and Doom III's engine would make the game godlike.
  • PulsePulse To create, to create and escape. Join Date: 2002-08-29 Member: 1248Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-SoulSkorpion+Jul 16 2004, 07:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SoulSkorpion @ Jul 16 2004, 07:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Er...

    Why exactly are we holding an argument against someone who isn't even <i>here</i>? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Who cares? It's a chance to talk about Deus Ex, and that's always a good thing.

    To keep this going, DX multiplay... did anyone play it? I tried it once - got AWPed 5 times in a row as soon as I spawned and left, never to return again. Now I'm curious about it. Is it any good? Maybe we could get a community game going, it can't be worse than CS.
  • Marik_SteeleMarik_Steele To rule in hell... Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9466Members
    edited July 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Pulse+Jul 16 2004, 09:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pulse @ Jul 16 2004, 09:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-SoulSkorpion+Jul 16 2004, 07:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SoulSkorpion @ Jul 16 2004, 07:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Er...

    Why exactly are we holding an argument against someone who isn't even <i>here</i>? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Who cares? It's a chance to talk about Deus Ex, and that's always a good thing.

    To keep this going, DX multiplay... did anyone play it? I tried it once - got AWPed 5 times in a row as soon as I spawned and left, never to return again. Now I'm curious about it. Is it any good? Maybe we could get a community game going, it can't be worse than CS. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Its netcode isn't as polished as most of today's games because multiplayer was, quite literally, patched on. Think in terms of the original Unreal Tournament's netcode.

    In terms of actual gameplay, the augmentation system allowed for superb customization by personal style. In many ways I'd compare it to Jedi Knight 1's multiplayer (augs instead of force powers), which is a major compliment coming from me.

    Tons of strats to try out were even given in the readme. One of the most unexpected I read was to take the EMP shield, remote drone, arm strength enhancers, and short range/melee weapons skills. Find any common weapon, search for an enemy, turn all augmentations on, run at them headfirst both physically and with your summoned drone, explode the drone in his face (draining all of his battery power for augs while doing little damage to yourself because of your EMP shield) and finally close in for the kill on a surprized enemy unable to use any aug powers.

    I can't imagine how awesome a team game would be over today's broadband connections, much less over LAN.
  • NuubNuub Join Date: 2004-01-05 Member: 25059Members
    Deus Ex... One of my old favorites. The AI wasnt best when it came to fighting but at that time it did it quite well for sneaking. I always remember the escape from MJ12 HQ, damn it was a lot of fun. Stupid thing was that when you ran past a guard he would just say "I think i saw something" "Its nothing, just the nerves i guess". But i loved it, except for the mutants and alike but other aspects were quite cool.
  • DaedalusDaedalus Join Date: 2003-04-02 Member: 15152Members
    Deus Ex multiplayer is an aquired taste I'd say. A few years ago a group of my friends were in an IT Extension class, meaning we could choose what work we wanted to do. We all decided to make a DX mod, which incidentally turned out quite well. But needless to say, having Deus Ex on the school computers meant we didn't spend lunchtimes anywhere but the computer rooms, and we got quite good at multiplayer Deus Ex. It's a slower game than something like Counterstrike but it allows for alot more strategy with the use of Augmentations and the like.
  • CMEastCMEast Join Date: 2002-05-19 Member: 632Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-SoulSkorpion+Jul 17 2004, 02:20 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SoulSkorpion @ Jul 17 2004, 02:20 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Er...

    Why exactly are we holding an argument against someone who isn't even <i>here</i>? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Cos its fun to win <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    I love DX
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