Ns Under The "my Game Section" Of Steam
Jink_Jink
Join Date: 2003-03-05 Member: 14348Members
Join Date: 2003-03-05 Member: 14348Members
<div class="IPBDescription">What it will do, and what we can do.</div> Natural Selection has been for a very long time in the shadow of Counter Strike and Day of Defeat. On any given day there would be 50 times more people playing CS, than NS. For example, the moment I am making this post, 55,875 players are playing CS, and only 1,313 on NS. Total Minutes played for CS right now are 2.322 billion, while only 48.105 million for NS. These statistics will drastically change once NS turns from a third party game, into one supported by Valve under the My Games Section.
A large inflow of new players will see their steam list, and that a new mod is there. Lets say, 10% of CS players try the game out, and just 2% of decide stick with it. That means on an average day as today, 1118 new players (55,875 CS players on right now / 50) would be added to our little community right off the bat.
Looking at this in perspective, on an average day (such as today) there would be an 85% growth in the NS population, if just 2% of CS players decided to take up NS on the day it gets released to "My Games."
Now NS has a very, very steep learning curve, and is one of the hardest games to get started in. I know when I first started playing in 1.00, I had no idea what I was doing, and neither did anyone else. We all fumbled along trying to get better in a very complicated game with a great atmosphere and innovative game play.
When NS is released to the public under "My Games" There is going to be a swarm of new players. Even if 1% of CS players take up NS, that still hundreds of players. Now these guys won't even know what a gorge is, or what to do as an alien.
I implore you, if you want to get new people involved in NS, don't be mean to these new players, instead understand that it is a new experience to most. NS is very tactical, and most of these new players will have no idea what to do.
It took me years to get to the point that I am today and I have a lot of room to grow. Think of how long it took you to get to where you are, and understand that it does take months to get this game down. NS isn't like counterstrike in that you can sit down, just point and click and the round is over in a few minutes.
We as a community need to nurture these players. We can't yell or scream "FREAKIN NOOB OMG BAN HIM" or else NS will go nowhere. We have to be nice, and understand where they are coming from, and help them out. If we don't, then we will be loosing a lot of players.
I love this game and I want new players not to leave. I implore you, help out your fellow players, realize that they are new, and don't put them down. Don't be rude because they want to save for the big rino, or if they keep walking headfirst into marines. If we nurture these new players NS will thrive and grow.
That’s my 2 cents. (/me awaits forlorn bashing)
~ Jink Jink ~
A large inflow of new players will see their steam list, and that a new mod is there. Lets say, 10% of CS players try the game out, and just 2% of decide stick with it. That means on an average day as today, 1118 new players (55,875 CS players on right now / 50) would be added to our little community right off the bat.
Looking at this in perspective, on an average day (such as today) there would be an 85% growth in the NS population, if just 2% of CS players decided to take up NS on the day it gets released to "My Games."
Now NS has a very, very steep learning curve, and is one of the hardest games to get started in. I know when I first started playing in 1.00, I had no idea what I was doing, and neither did anyone else. We all fumbled along trying to get better in a very complicated game with a great atmosphere and innovative game play.
When NS is released to the public under "My Games" There is going to be a swarm of new players. Even if 1% of CS players take up NS, that still hundreds of players. Now these guys won't even know what a gorge is, or what to do as an alien.
I implore you, if you want to get new people involved in NS, don't be mean to these new players, instead understand that it is a new experience to most. NS is very tactical, and most of these new players will have no idea what to do.
It took me years to get to the point that I am today and I have a lot of room to grow. Think of how long it took you to get to where you are, and understand that it does take months to get this game down. NS isn't like counterstrike in that you can sit down, just point and click and the round is over in a few minutes.
We as a community need to nurture these players. We can't yell or scream "FREAKIN NOOB OMG BAN HIM" or else NS will go nowhere. We have to be nice, and understand where they are coming from, and help them out. If we don't, then we will be loosing a lot of players.
I love this game and I want new players not to leave. I implore you, help out your fellow players, realize that they are new, and don't put them down. Don't be rude because they want to save for the big rino, or if they keep walking headfirst into marines. If we nurture these new players NS will thrive and grow.
That’s my 2 cents. (/me awaits forlorn bashing)
~ Jink Jink ~
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The forums are totally ill prepared for something like this, too... just imagine what Ideas and Suggestions will be like when all the newbies from CS/DoD all suggest something like a rail gun or some similar thing. I guaruntee 2-5 pages of locked threads within one week. NTM the current amount of smacktards and players worn-thin because of commanding the new players.
Ohhh boy...
That'll be a joy; commanding newbies... but not just any newbies; newbies from Counter Strike. Sure, there'll be a good soldier here and there that will follow orders, but im also sure that the majority will just sit around, pick their noses, and get owned by the aliens.
Something has to be done to NS to make it less newbie-vulnerable; stamp it into the minds of new players to follow orders or die; lessen the learning curve by simplifying basic functions; tell them how to use the popup menu!
etc etc... IMO NS is prepared gameplay-wise but not community-wise.
Nice post <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Its going to be a fun time for all of us.
oh no... please no... that scares me <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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lol
while all is true, most of the cs communty is rather, not nice you might say <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
if someone is a noob playing not caring wth he is doing and ruining it for others, its hard not to get a little mad :\
guess we'll have to see how it works out <!--emo&::marine::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/marine.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='marine.gif' /><!--endemo-->
A n00b will play the game, not have a clue what he is doing, but is willing to learn. He will follow people around and whatch what they do. A n00b will ask questions and learn the game reletivly well in a matter of days. These are the n00bs we like, and I for one, would enjoy to nurture.
An idiot n00b is very different. These n00bs refuse to listen, learn, or follow directions. They seem oblivious to the communication around them. They do not follow orders, and rambo off and die. These n00bs will never learn. Unfortunatly, these are the n00bs I have been seeing latley. These are also what I expect to see from my experience with CS players (9 year old high pitched voice kids who scream over the mic that someone is cheating because they died, etc...) Idiot n00bs are very hard to nurture, so good luck trying to get people to do so.
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Well, since you asked for it
Honestly this game needs a tutorial. That would help out with the influx of newbs more than anything else. You can tell everyone that visits these forums to be nice (and this really should be stickied) but it won't do as much as a simple tutorial would.
There was a topic in the mapping forum with a player who was making a tutorial.
However, it has since seem to have gone missing.
gg?
A n00b will play the game, not have a clue what he is doing, but is willing to learn. He will follow people around and whatch what they do. A n00b will ask questions and learn the game reletivly well in a matter of days. These are the n00bs we like, and I for one, would enjoy to nurture.
An idiot n00b is very different. These n00bs refuse to listen, learn, or follow directions. They seem oblivious to the communication around them. They do not follow orders, and rambo off and die. These n00bs will never learn. Unfortunatly, these are the n00bs I have been seeing latley. These are also what I expect to see from my experience with CS players (9 year old high pitched voice kids who scream over the mic that someone is cheating because they died, etc...) Idiot n00bs are very hard to nurture, so good luck trying to get people to do so. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
point taken <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
He's absolutely right. One of my friends, a hardcore CSer, was brought over to my house one day. I said, "Dude, you gotta try out this game. It's so awesome. Ten times better than CS." After three unsuccessful tries to pwn as a Fade, he claimed the game was crap and went to a CS server.
Only after I literally forced him to play it again a week later, did he see the light.
Amen to that.
I was in a (USA server, I'm Euro myself) the other day when someone named "Newbie" knew some of the basics, but still wasn't too familiar. He was sitting in Cargo as a gorge, looking at the node. I needed healing, he was confused. After telling him to hold E to build his res node, and that a gorge is also some kind of field medic for other aliens, he got the message straight away. A little while later, he said "i can build a hive but i have no clue where it is lol <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->" so me and someone else showed him the way, while telling him that C has a minimap.
If only all the new players were like that guy, and I'd love to try and help out every single one of them. But at the moment, its impossible (for me) to not get angry a little bit wondering WHY this beginner isnt taking advice. Ive seen plenty of other guys just ignoring everyone else on the server, and do a big part in making the team they're on lose.
That in mind, i'll try to be friendly as i can when NS gets a large influx of new players.
First, most players wouldn't bother with it, instead they would just play the game and expect to pick it up along the way, learning from other players.
Second, and more importantly, the most important knowledge of NS can't be learned from a tutorial. A tutorial can't teach you that spores can hold off shotgunners in a siege point, or that onos is the solution to heavy armor. This is what people need to learn to start enjoying the game. They can pick up the basics from cl_autohelp.
All I can say is server admins better be ready to buckle down for the long haul, elitist jackasses better be ready to shut thier mouths, and all us normal players better be ready to help out where ever need be. With any luck the <i>dirtier</i> element of the CS croud will be turned off by the complexity of the game.
An 85% increase in players... That should boost the old clan sceane <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
About 1/3 of the influx of new players will probably stick with it.
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I have yet to introduce someone to this game who didn't like it emmidiately. Weather or not it will be enough to make people stick around...
At very least we can hopefully keep the notion in the overall comunity of general respect and decency.
And im happy to say, elitists are almost nonexistant in NS. I love it.
Elitism in NS is praised!
Any person who thinks they are better than someone - period - because they beat another person in a video game, needs death.
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How many anti bunnyhopping and anti scripting threads have you missed? You know the guys who flame the people who start the threads... Those guys are the elitists, (otherwize known as vets) and they have a generally bad reputation ever since the 3.0 private playtesting.
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Since when? Seems to me the accusation of elitism is one of the more cutting flames you can use against someone on these forums...
BTW, if we start turning this into another BH or scripting debate, I swear people are gonna die <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo-->