The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly

ConfuzorConfuzor Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2412Awaiting Authorization
<div class="IPBDescription">COOLEST *&!@%#&!% MOVIE, EVER!</div> Let's get one ****ing thing straight right now with regards to the Elite-o-meter:

Ninjas = Pirates < Western Gunmen

I'm sorry, even Maddox has it ****ing wrong, and so do all you ninja lovers. There is simply no comparison after you watch this movie. The three gunmen (Eastwood, Van Cleef, Wallach) could take out any idiot who waved a sword at them. And don't give me that, "That's not fair - sword users fight with REAL skill."

<span style='font-size:19pt;line-height:100%'><b><span style='font-family:Arial'>BULL****</b></span></span>

If by some absurd code honour, you want to stick with your archaic melee weapons, then by all means, go ahead. But don't come crying when some guy racks a higher kill count with his BB gun than you do with your 56 inch katana. LEARN TO BLOCK/DODGE BULLETS AND STOP LAZING AROUND WITH USELESS DRAMATIC POSES AND KILL **** WITH YOUR SWORD. IF YOU CAN'T COMPETE, GET THE HELL OUT!

This movie is simply so astounding... I watched last night, and I still can't stop smiling thinking about it. Eastwood is the usual bad ****. Van Cleef just has the PERFECT pose for something as simple as standing by a doorway. He's also one hell of a mean ********. While I don't consider Wallach a badass like the others, you'd be a addlecoved idiot to underestimate the man, and by God is he friggin hilarious. My favourite character of the movie, and favourite character in any story I've seen/watched in a long time...

And what can be said about the scenes? They're virtually all awesome; from the "introduction" of the main characters, to the final showdown. A reviewer hit it dead on when he said that this movie was so good, it killed the entire western genre.

And the music? Two words: MORRICONE RULES!

This is the first time I've completely seen a Leone movie, and I can only say this: DAMN YOU LEONE, WHY DID YOU HAVE TO DIE?!?!?!?!?

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To hell with the movies that are out right now on theatre. Anyone who hasn't watched this movie yet, watch it NOW! There's two kinds of people in this world: Those who have seen this movie and know how much this movie rules, and those who will know the fury of my ridicule for ignoring classics like these.
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  • MonkfishMonkfish Sonic-boom-inducing buttcheeks of terrifying speed&#33; Join Date: 2003-06-03 Member: 16972Members
    What about pirate ninjas with guns?
  • TychoCelchuuuTychoCelchuuu Anememone Join Date: 2002-03-23 Member: 345Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Sonic+Jul 8 2004, 03:50 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sonic @ Jul 8 2004, 03:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What about pirate ninjas with guns? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    How about zombie ninja cyborg vampires in the old west?

    Hey, it's a game coming out. Seriously.
  • pardzhpardzh Join Date: 2002-10-25 Member: 1601Members
    I haven't seen it, but for a while my brother was obessed with Westerns.

    Raving about Tombstone, Wyatt Earp, and that movie too. Guess I should check it out?
  • RipzawRipzaw Join Date: 2004-05-09 Member: 28560Members
    edited July 2004
    If you've ever watched The Last Samurai, The Seven Samurai or play The Specialists... You'd know this guy is talking crap. Sword fighting is more skillful than pulling a trigger. Sure it is a good film but seriously... Does pulling a trigger involve skill? No. Point and shoot. Swrod fighting is more like this :

    *Attack* *Dodge* *Ricochet* *Jump* *Attack* *Kill* *Next enemy* And so on. Plus it's more fun to practice... When I practice with my brother it's alot of fun parrying and whatnot.

    Also try not to swear every two lines.

    Edit : Also... Try and use a Longbow properly... I really doubt you can. (I can't by a long shot btw)
  • SurgeSurge asda4a3sklflkgh Join Date: 2002-07-14 Member: 944Members
    Yeah. The whole Man with No Name series is great. Good music too.
  • Ashaman_JoeAshaman_Joe Join Date: 2003-11-11 Member: 22559Members, Constellation
    edited July 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin--Ripzaw-+Jul 8 2004, 12:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-Ripzaw- @ Jul 8 2004, 12:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you've ever watched The Last Samurai, The Seven Samurai or play The Specialists... You'd know this guy is talking crap. Sword fighting is more skillful than pulling a trigger. Sure it is a good film but seriously... Does pulling a trigger involve skill? No. Point and shoot. Swrod fighting is more like this :

    *Attack* *Dodge* *Ricochet* *Jump* *Attack* *Kill* *Next enemy* And so on. Plus it's more fun to practice... When I practice with my brother it's alot of fun parrying and whatnot.

    Also try not to swear every two lines.

    Edit : Also... Try and use a Longbow properly... I really doubt you can. (I can't by a long shot btw) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    All that skill won't change anything when you're full of holes. Remember the ending battle? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Edit: of the Last Samurai
  • ZigZig ...I am Captain Planet&#33; Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members
    edited July 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin--Ripzaw-+Jul 8 2004, 11:13 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-Ripzaw- @ Jul 8 2004, 11:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you've ever watched The Last Samurai, The Seven Samurai or play The Specialists... You'd know this guy is talking crap. Sword fighting is more skillful than pulling a trigger. Sure it is a good film but seriously... Does pulling a trigger involve skill? No. Point and shoot. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <span style='color:white'>Be nice.</span> fire a gun before you can talk <span style='color:white'>Dodge this.</span>. can you shoot a dime group at 1000 yards? can you empty a double-action five-shooter in under two seconds? there's SKILL in this game, buddy, don't knock it before you try it or at least know a damn thing about it.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Admins note: Folks, if <i>this</i> topic develops into a flamewar, I'll have to suspend the participants out of my sheer burning hatred towards immaturity...
  • esunaesuna Rock Bottom Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15175Members, Constellation
    The only good westerns ever made were the Young Guns movies.

    I really just don't like westerns. Not exciting, the acting is usually horrendous and the story lines make me gag. And yes, i've seen this movie, no i don't remember anything about it because it was so goddamn dire.

    Besides, what have western gunmen and ninjas got to do with one another? What was the point of bringing it up? Both require skill and technique but in different areas. It's like comparing apples to engines.
  • ZigZig ...I am Captain Planet&#33; Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members
    esuna, if i was really reaching i could compare apples and engines...

    but swords and firearms are both weapons. they both require a certain manner of skill to be used proficiency, and a serious investment of self to be used <i>well</i>.
  • esunaesuna Rock Bottom Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15175Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-Zig+Jul 8 2004, 08:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Jul 8 2004, 08:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> esuna, if i was really reaching i could compare apples and engines...

    but swords and firearms are both weapons. they both require a certain manner of skill to be used proficiency, and a serious investment of self to be used <i>well</i>. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    A skateboard and a space rocket are both modes of transport.

    There's just some things that can't be compared.
  • ConfuzorConfuzor Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2412Awaiting Authorization
    edited July 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin--Ripzaw-+Jul 8 2004, 11:13 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-Ripzaw- @ Jul 8 2004, 11:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you've ever watched The Last Samurai, The Seven Samurai or play The Specialists... You'd know this guy is talking crap. Sword fighting is more skillful than pulling a trigger. Sure it is a good film but seriously... Does pulling a trigger involve skill? No. Point and shoot. Swrod fighting is more like this :

    *Attack* *Dodge* *Ricochet* *Jump* *Attack* *Kill* *Next enemy* And so on. Plus it's more fun to practice... When I practice with my brother it's alot of fun parrying and whatnot.

    Also try not to swear every two lines.

    Edit : Also... Try and use a Longbow properly... I really doubt you can. (I can't by a long shot btw) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Understand, sirrah, that I bear no animosity to blade-swinging warriors. I respect them deeply. What pains me however is the wave of feeling that has recently enveloped the minds of many in thinking that "Japanese warriors > anything else". With the release of 'Pirates of the Carribean', pirates have gained some respect, but the fact is that nearly all other warriors have become underrated in favour of the former. I am simply trying to offset this imbalanced equilibrium, and in doing so, am forced to take a hostile approach to the more mainstream warriors.

    With my position established, let's continue <s>the flaming</s> this eleoquent discussion of firearms against melee weapons.

    I've seen both the Last Samurai and Seven Samurai. In the case of Last Samurai...

    Worse use of guns. EVER. No wonder the samurai want to keep Japan traditional... why bother using your muskets when you barely even hit the samurai chief's son at point blank range? My God, they might of well just hucked rocks at the samurai if they were so useless with their guns. And all the time they're getting hammered by arrows... ARROWS. Useless... Based on their abysmal fighting abilities, Cruise could of taken down a whole lot of them PRIOR to his odd months of training as a samurai.

    It's been a while since I've watched Seven Samurai, and for some reason I never really got pulled into it. Not sure why... as far as I can tell, the sword fighting wasn't very impressive (I noticed a lot of 'fatal' hits that seem to make no contact at all), but it was pretty interesting seeing the samurai rally all the villagers to defend the village. I think I ended up watching the movie in the wrong perspective... I expected too much out of the action scenes, and should of diverted my focus to the story itself. This was the first Kurosawa film I watched and I was a little disappointed that I wasn't able to appreciate this classic. Maybe I'll give it another shot another time.

    In the mean time, I'm about to watch Yojimbo the Bodyguard, and having just watched the first few minutes of it, it is looking pretty damn suave. (I heard that A Fistful of Dollars was pretty much based on this, which is why I decided to watch this).

    For gun level expertise to rise to the next level, I'd like to create a gunman character who never shoots at his opponents directly, but rather, using complex geometry and physics, always shoots at the surrounding area at specific angles, deflecting the shots at the target. That oughta leave those bullet dodgers/blockers guessing!

    My weapon of choice in reality would actually be the staff (I practice with it daily). With further improvement, I believe that I would be able to handle the weapon of my dreams: A double-ended scythe.
  • PulsePulse To create, to create and escape. Join Date: 2002-08-29 Member: 1248Members, Constellation
    edited July 2004
    Your mistake was in assuming that western gunmen would be facing off against regular ninjas, when in fact they would be fighting cyber-ninjas, the elite sect of ninjas who have access to such treats as sniper rifles, cloaking devices, and the dreaded laser shurikens. I seriously doubt that these gunmen could stand up to laser shurikens.
  • BloodySlothBloodySloth Join Date: 2003-08-27 Member: 20284Members
    I dont see how western gunmen are better than pirates in any way shape or form. Any good pirate knew how to weild a blade AND a gun. Versatility.


    The seriousness of what I just posted has blinded me.
  • ConfuzorConfuzor Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2412Awaiting Authorization
    Then that would require western gunmen to likewise have an equivalent upgrade to meet this futurisitic ninjas now, wouldn't they?

    I propse laser bladed fedoras/sombreros with a narrow bungee cord wraped in around the top half. They basically serve as ridiculous enormous yo-yos which can be shot out, then quickly caught once again.

    They also have rocket powered horses, and contained within their robotic abodomen compartments, can project V2 Hellfire atomic rockets. Their hooves are also outfitted with anti-gravitational horseshoes, so they can trample opponents from the air.
  • kuperayekuperaye Join Date: 2003-03-14 Member: 14519Members, Constellation
    i liked teh movie =o
  • SirusSirus Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8466Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    I don't know. When it comes to close combat I'd be deathly afraid of Ninjas and their arsenal of weapons then some cowboys with a six shooter. Add 50-100 yards and I'm more afraid of ol' Clint.

    I'd rather be face to face with Clint then a ninja.
  • AlignAlign Remain Calm Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5216Forum Moderators, Constellation
    <span style='color:red'> But Pirates do not totally flip out and kill people...</span>
    Seriously though, the stealthy assassin ninja is <i>cooler</i> than a gunman, but less badass.
  • BloodySlothBloodySloth Join Date: 2003-08-27 Member: 20284Members
    Unless the ninja happens to be Bruce Lee, in which case everyone else cries and goes home. Bruce Lee=win. He'd do jeet kun do on the bullets and they'd whine about ninja hax and run away.
  • RatonetwothreetwooneRatonetwothreetwoone Join Date: 2004-03-23 Member: 27504Members
    edited July 2004
    i saw this guy one, he was shootin all these targets like uber fast and dead on with a revolver, tiny targets too... it takes skill to be able to aim... and guns > swords

    like that indiana jones movie (raiders of the lost arc?) where the guy with the swords goes all WITCHICHA, and he just pulls out his gun and blasts him... man that was cool <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    edit: guy... not guys
  • AnarkiThreeXSixAnarkiThreeXSix x_x Join Date: 2003-12-31 Member: 24894Members
    but what if youre a jedi knight and you have a light sabre and you can stop the bullets !!!!??!??! *ahem* yeah.. i like both swords and guns the same <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • WheeeeWheeee Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13713Members, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited July 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Pulse+Jul 8 2004, 03:25 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pulse @ Jul 8 2004, 03:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Your mistake was in assuming that western gunmen would be facing off against regular ninjas, when in fact they would be fighting cyber-ninjas, the elite sect of ninjas who have access to such treats as sniper rifles, cloaking devices, and the dreaded laser shurikens.  I seriously doubt that these gunmen could stand up to laser shurikens. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    you make the mistake of assuming that these ninjas would be facing western gunmen. They'd be facing the guy from Equilibrium.

    The ninjas don't stand a chance. <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    *edit: grammar is my friend*
  • PulsePulse To create, to create and escape. Join Date: 2002-08-29 Member: 1248Members, Constellation
    What? You mean the Grammaton Clerics? Those guys <i>are</i> ninjas, so they wouldn't even fight.
  • ZigZig ...I am Captain Planet&#33; Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members
    nuh uh pulse, they're ..... well i guess they're military.
  • ConfuzorConfuzor Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2412Awaiting Authorization
    <!--QuoteBegin-Pulse+Jul 8 2004, 03:28 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pulse @ Jul 8 2004, 03:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> What? You mean the Grammaton Clerics? Those guys <i>are</i> ninjas, so they wouldn't even fight. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Under Article 371 of the Ninja Code, genuine are not permitted the use of firearms for their endeavours.

    As gun kata is a prominent component of Grammaton Cleric training, the two aspects come in conflict with one another. As such, the GCs are either not ninjas, or they should be subject to seppuku for their violation of honour.
  • QuaunautQuaunaut The longest seven days in history... Join Date: 2003-03-21 Member: 14759Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Pirates < Ninjas

    Ninjas < Gunmen

    Gunmen < Samurai.

    Kill Bill.

    The Bride.

    I have nothing more to say.
  • Crono5Crono5 Join Date: 2003-07-22 Member: 18357Members
    Mkay, Ninjas are good with swords, a good Ninja movie's gonna have a guy who stops projectiles with his sword and gets in everyone's face nice and fast and kill stuff.

    Marksmen are likewise just as good with guns, with all their spiffy accuracy and stuff. If they came up against an inferior ninja, they could shoot one bullet to distract the ninja, and while the ninja's blocking that one, shoot both of the ninja's hands. So yeah, marksmen can be pretty badass, too.

    Pirates...

    Pirates know both, but they can never stand up to either. But pirates get all the chicks and steal stuff, and in the end, isn't that what really matters?

    (Ninjas = Gunmen) > Pirates
  • Umbraed_MonkeyUmbraed_Monkey Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9922Members
    Gandalf > *

    Seriously, you can have your knife, cutlass, or six-shooter. Can you pwn balrog?
  • ZigZig ...I am Captain Planet&#33; Join Date: 2002-10-23 Member: 1576Members
    edited July 2004
    this is the part where someone's gonna mention Alucard (Douchecard)
  • V_MANV_MAN V-MAN Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 6217Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-esuna+Jul 8 2004, 08:08 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (esuna @ Jul 8 2004, 08:08 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Zig+Jul 8 2004, 08:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Jul 8 2004, 08:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> esuna, if i was really reaching i could compare apples and engines...

    but swords and firearms are both weapons. they both require a certain manner of skill to be used proficiency, and a serious investment of self to be used <i>well</i>. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    A skateboard and a space rocket are both modes of transport.

    There's just some things that can't be compared. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If an apple is not made use of it will decay and become usless same goes for and engine

    hah!
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