Gorge Sucking The Res Node Thingy
schkorpio
I can mspaint Join Date: 2003-05-23 Member: 16635Members
I can mspaint Join Date: 2003-05-23 Member: 16635Members
<div class="IPBDescription">discussion - exploitless</div> Well the threads keep getting logged before I can get my comment in about this, so i figured i post it in here as a discussion rather than a suggestion.
cause i actually think ive figured out how to balace/exploitless the gorge sucking the res out of nodes thingy
why dont they just make it the gorge can only suck res out of the node until he reaches 15 res, and only once from the same node ( unless the res tower gets destroyed) then it stops working, this way you can put a res tower down, BUT you cant use it to spam oc's dc's, hives, etc, and you can use it to go into a lerk,fade,onos. sure you can use it to get 15 res quickly, but you already need 10 res to gorge so that means your only gaining 5 res, and losing all of that evolution time for a measly 5 res. but if you really need to you can. DONE BALANCED, unexploitable- yet still useful.
cause i actually think ive figured out how to balace/exploitless the gorge sucking the res out of nodes thingy
why dont they just make it the gorge can only suck res out of the node until he reaches 15 res, and only once from the same node ( unless the res tower gets destroyed) then it stops working, this way you can put a res tower down, BUT you cant use it to spam oc's dc's, hives, etc, and you can use it to go into a lerk,fade,onos. sure you can use it to get 15 res quickly, but you already need 10 res to gorge so that means your only gaining 5 res, and losing all of that evolution time for a measly 5 res. but if you really need to you can. DONE BALANCED, unexploitable- yet still useful.
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Team fans out, one skulk to a node.
All gorge. All shove down tower. All suck till 15. All kill selves. Now, not only do you have towers all over the map, but you have massive resflow, and 15 res until lerk, 35 to fade, and a paltry 50 until onos.
It was removed for a reason. Want it back? Do what Zdrone (Of h20) did. Find a plugin that enables it.
hehe, you don't seem to know how satisfactory a real, unbreakable WOL is when placed at the right spot and given enough resources.
no turretfarms are lame. WoLs or ToLs (Towers of Lame) rock <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Team fans out, one skulk to a node.
All gorge. All shove down tower. All suck till 15. All kill selves. Now, not only do you have towers all over the map, but you have massive resflow, and 15 res until lerk, 35 to fade, and a paltry 50 until onos.
It was removed for a reason. Want it back? Do what Zdrone (Of h20) did. Find a plugin that enables it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
actually since you can only suck upto 15 res it wont work at the start of the game because you already have 15 by the time you gorge. so err
Anyway, what could be done... IMO, it has to be something that helps them to put up a proper "infestation" and fill those empty, marine-ravaged hallways with something, but not be too powerful in the middle-game, when the game is decided. By this basis, I can think of only two solutions:
<b>1)</b> Let gorges get *all* RFK. Marines die fast with lv.0 ups, so that would contribute res to gorges. As they gain more ups, the res-flow slows down. I think this might work pretty well, and would be nearly impossible to exploit (less skulks, less kills, less res).
<b>2)</b> Instead of letting gorges directly sap res from the nozzles, why not make them take a "chunk" that <b>slowly</b> gives them res over time? Like RFK, a little boost, but not enough for them just to run away to a corner and wait for onos. As a bonus, they could still have their fun around the map instead of having to stare at that dull pipe all the time.
Those were my ideas, after stopping to think for a moment. Have to wonder why do I bother, when they are ignored anyway...
This could be done by splitting up the RFK between nearby aliens like in combat, or just split it up among any nearby gorges.
Those were my ideas, after stopping to think for a moment. Have to wonder why do I bother, when they are ignored anyway... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Right, so those gorges lamming up the most stupid places with wols get MY ress that I need to drop the hive.
That's a good idea! IMO it should at least be tried.
the point is to fix it so the gorge is fun in big games
That's a good idea! IMO it should at least be tried. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
But it discourages multiple gorges. More gorges -> less RFK per gorge. Not as serious as 1.04, but still a problem.
Team fans out, one skulk to a node.
All gorge. All shove down tower. All suck till 15. All kill selves. Now, not only do you have towers all over the map, but you have massive resflow, and 15 res until lerk, 35 to fade, and a paltry 50 until onos.
It was removed for a reason. Want it back? Do what Zdrone (Of h20) did. Find a plugin that enables it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
actually since you can only suck upto 15 res it wont work at the start of the game because you already have 15 by the time you gorge. so err <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Read my post. Sloooowly, since you didn't get the entirety of it.
The entire team goes out, gorges and <b>drops a res tower</b>. Now, here's a bit of logic: Since you start with 25 res, and it costs 10 to morph into a gorge, and 15 to drop a res tower, they must obviously not have any res left. UH OH! They just sucked 15 down.
There's a reason why res is not free. This is a resources based game.
no turretfarms are lame. WoLs or ToLs (Towers of Lame) rock <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
rock like a turret farm in my pants...
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That's a good idea! IMO it should at least be tried. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
But it discourages multiple gorges. More gorges -> less RFK per gorge. Not as serious as 1.04, but still a problem. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Maian, exactly; there shouldn't be piggies running in every corridor. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> Besides, it is meant to be only that little boost that gorges currently need: it's not a major revamp, it addressess the issue, and it's a lot better option than some pipe-sucking. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
And if its about not having enough res when no one goes gorge in more than 8vs8 to drop rts, well I don't think I have to explain more.
Team fans out, one skulk to a node.
All gorge. All shove down tower. All suck till 15. All kill selves. Now, not only do you have towers all over the map, but you have massive resflow, and 15 res until lerk, 35 to fade, and a paltry 50 until onos.
It was removed for a reason. Want it back? Do what Zdrone (Of h20) did. Find a plugin that enables it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
actually since you can only suck upto 15 res it wont work at the start of the game because you already have 15 by the time you gorge. so err <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Read my post. Sloooowly, since you didn't get the entirety of it.
The entire team goes out, gorges and <b>drops a res tower</b>. Now, here's a bit of logic: Since you start with 25 res, and it costs 10 to morph into a gorge, and 15 to drop a res tower, they must obviously not have any res left. UH OH! They just sucked 15 down.
There's a reason why res is not free. This is a resources based game. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, I thought gorges could only suck res from res spots without towers...right? then you would have to go scout another one. I guess the 15 limit might make sense, like you get 15 res in a minute anyway, but then in a 30 minute game, there could be straight 40 chambers that a gorge could make if he just continually sucked the res node thingy. One could keep sucking, put down an offense chamber, suck, offense chamber, suck, defense, suck, offense, suck movement if second hive for quick get away, then slowly build an offense chamber line to where he wants to go. I think this would bring more structures into longer games, which isn't as fun, and makes it very alien biased...
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