Scan

NolSinkler

<div class="IPBDescription">in combat</div> Scan in combat is overpowered. It can counter an entire team of cloakers, for just 1 level. Now, if their gonna raise focus and hive 3 attacks to 2 levels, why not raise scan?

Its 10 vs. 10. All of the aliens hve cloaking. Thats 10 levels spent. One person gets scan. 10 levels wasted.

You see what Im saying?

BattleTech

The only problem is that <b>nobody</b> get's scan, so why are you complaining?
It's so useless, it never work's when it should and it only goe's off every other minute and only works in one general area.

waller

Also, what kind of entire team gets cloak? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->

gopher

<!--QuoteBegin-BattleTech+Jul 5 2004, 08:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BattleTech @ Jul 5 2004, 08:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The only problem is that <b>nobody</b> get's scan, so why are you complaining?
It's so useless, it never work's when it should and it only goe's off every other minute and only works in one general area. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uhm, it actually works they way it should?!

Whenever there is a cloaked alien nearby, the scan goes off.

Amped1

The problem with scan is that the individual marine would rather grab a shotgun than scan early game. Unfortunately that is when scan is most effective. I do sometimes (rarely) see a marine grab scan and stick with a SG marine. I bet scan would be used more in hambone mode where you are not stuck with scan permantly.

saberx

<!--QuoteBegin-George_The_Gorge+Jul 5 2004, 04:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (George_The_Gorge @ Jul 5 2004, 04:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The problem with scan is that the individual marine would rather grab a shotgun than scan early game. Unfortunately that is when scan is most effective. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Exactly. Scan is only useful for the early portion of the round. Other more common upgrades are useful for the entire game. The only marines you see grabbing scan are those getting jumped by focus skulks. Once you get your armor upgrade you don't have to worry about them like before.

RyoOhki

<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Once you get your armor upgrade you don't have to worry about them like before.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Unless you have a dedicated Lerker like me constantly gassing the marines and wearing down their armour so my focus comrades can smite them <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->

Lito

<!--QuoteBegin-George_The_Gorge+Jul 5 2004, 05:01 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (George_The_Gorge @ Jul 5 2004, 05:01 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The problem with scan is that the individual marine would rather grab a shotgun than scan early game. Unfortunately that is when scan is most effective. I do sometimes (rarely) see a marine grab scan and stick with a SG marine. I bet scan would be used more in hambone mode where you are not stuck with scan permantly. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
The problem with Hambone mode is that each time you die, you have to manually rechoose ALL upgrades.

This means big trouble when you spawn and have to get into action immediately, and you're level 10 +9 vanilla marine.

MrChainsaw

<!--QuoteBegin-Lito+Jul 5 2004, 08:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lito @ Jul 5 2004, 08:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The problem with Hambone mode is that each time you die, you have to manually rechoose ALL upgrades.

This means big trouble when you spawn and have to get into action immediately, and you're level 10 +9 vanilla marine. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I have a string of keys assigned to my favourite build, that could be fun for hambone mode, but I've never tried it.

On Scan:
JUST one level? That's resupply, or a damage upgrade, or half of JP or HA, or a GL or hmg. It really sucks in the late game when you can't get one of these late-game wonders because you had to get scan in the early game. One marine with scan is just about right, it only works 4 out of 5 times right now as it is... :/


CLOAK IS EASILY COUNTERED WITH SCAN/OBS. SAME AS ALWAYS. RELY ON OTHER UPGRADES.

Norml_E_High

I don't see anything wrong with scan, most players figure out that cloaking isn't very good in combat except for the first minute or two, and if you DO cause havoc with it, don't be surprised when a marine gets scan. If I get killed like twice in a row by the same cloaker or different cloakers, I get scan. Then I go with groups of marines so they can benefit from it.

The only thing messed with scan is it will sometimes NOT work until it's too late. I cant count how many times a skulk will uncloak two feet from me and kill me without my scan ever going off. Other times its just going off left and right until the guy that keeps cloaking figures out whats going on.

999Hydralisk

Norm : I thought I was the only one having problems with scan... Whenever I do have it I tend to follow a marine with a shotgun, because it doesnt go off untill they are in bite range usually.

P.S.
Does anyone ever have it fire off in bursts of 5 scans a second or so when no cloakers are around?

Eidolan

<!--QuoteBegin-|999|Hydralisk+Jul 5 2004, 09:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (|999|Hydralisk @ Jul 5 2004, 09:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Norm : I thought I was the only one having problems with scan... Whenever I do have it I tend to follow a marine with a shotgun, because it doesnt go off untill they are in bite range usually.

P.S.
Does anyone ever have it fire off in bursts of 5 scans a second or so when no cloakers are around? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
5 scans in a second? Nope, it'd lag the hell outa me if it happend. All those waves.

Zek

Yeah, scan is only useful in the beginning of the game. So is cloaking. Maybe we should just come to an agreement that both upgrades suck in Combat and everybody can stop using them.

EvenFlow

I'd take Motion Tracking over scan anyday, one or 2 cloakers might get away with it if I'm too busy to notice their blip disappear but it works most of the time and is useful throughout the round.

Ryse_Slade

Hardly any marine gets scan so even in late game cloaking works fine. A decent cloaking skulk can cause havoc. Scan works fine too. Maybe it's a bit too good because it never fails (sometimes aliens cloak the second you move around the corner so it seems like scan didn't work - actually it does work you are just out of luck).

axred

What are the chances of the whole alien team 1) having cloak 2) being in the same spot when the scan goes off. And most times only one rine will have it. And 1 wasted ability? Well you got plenty of other abilties if you lvl 10. Or you can just retry and start over.