British Scientists Develops Force-field Like Armor
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<div class="IPBDescription">:o this is neat sounding.</div><a href='http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/08/19/nmod19.xml' target='_blank'>clickity clickity</a>
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->'Electric armour' vaporises anti-tank grenades and shells
By Michael Smith, Defence Correspondent
(Filed: 19/08/2002)
An electric "force field" for armoured vehicles that vaporises anti-tank grenades and shells on impact has been developed by scientists at the Ministry of Defence.
The "electric armour" has been developed in an attempt to make tanks and other armoured vehicles lighter and less vulnerable to anti-tank grenade launchers such as those used by the Taliban and al-Qa'eda fighters in Afghanistan.
It could be fitted to the light tanks and armoured personnel carriers that will replace the heavy Challenger II tanks and Warrior APCs in one of the two British armoured divisions.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->'Electric armour' vaporises anti-tank grenades and shells
By Michael Smith, Defence Correspondent
(Filed: 19/08/2002)
An electric "force field" for armoured vehicles that vaporises anti-tank grenades and shells on impact has been developed by scientists at the Ministry of Defence.
The "electric armour" has been developed in an attempt to make tanks and other armoured vehicles lighter and less vulnerable to anti-tank grenade launchers such as those used by the Taliban and al-Qa'eda fighters in Afghanistan.
It could be fitted to the light tanks and armoured personnel carriers that will replace the heavy Challenger II tanks and Warrior APCs in one of the two British armoured divisions.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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Normal Solid shells? What do you think a tank shell is? Bullets it won't sure, but its already bulletproof.
Normal Solid shells? What do you think a tank shell is? Bullets it won't sure, but its already bulletproof. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah, that's what I was talking bout, any sort of normal slug round designed to peirce the small amounts of sheilding any tanks equiped with only this system would have would be able to breeze through no problem. If any country were to rely specifically on this device for protection its forces could end up being wiped out by cannonballs or something. Unless the device were to have it's power jacked up a reletively large amount. Don't know exactly how much power though, would be a rather simple physics problem, if you know how big a shell you want to vaporize, and it's composition.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I love your Freakazoid sig, I just keep forgetting to tell you. Now you know!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I sure do! [thumbs up, wink]
that and it's not quite "on" until the two plates are bridged by something
sounds fun, the only problem being that a decently placed cannonball would be able to bent the outer plate, causing it to touch the inner plate. that would drain the batteries pretty quickly and disable the shield. witout battereies: can't restart the tank, no nav, no gps, no aimbot (computer controlled targetting), etc. although a second battery dedicated to shielding would quickly eliminate the second problem
Murphy's law states that whatever can go wrong will go wrong, and at the worst possible time.
The outter plate deforms to touch the inner plate due to repeated assualts. Good bye battery.
Moisture turns it into a possible electrocution machine.
Random discharges of current between the two plates.
And worst of all:
It'd collect LOTS of dust!
All those charged particles would almost certainly attract layers and layers of dust so densely that the dust would be nearly impossible to scrape off or corrode the plate or similar things like that...
Force-field device this is not.
Still, if you made sure not to let the thing drain the WHOLE battery (perhaps with a seperate battery for the shield), it's be a good advantage.
After all, I'd rather sit in a tank that was vulnerable after being hit with said cannonball, than one that is vulnerable before being hit with the cannonball.
As for the idea you would think it would require a huge amount of charge to evaporate the warhead.
Sounds like a really good idea tho and since they have published information about it im guessing they must allready have some potential buyers, military im guessing. Could be good for a bullet proof car tho <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
....
Anyways, I want to see a video of this in action.
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Depends on how big the cannonball is.
I doubt it would flatten a tank's battery, while the engine is running the battery is constantly charging.
I wanna see a video of this in action
yeah I would assume they think of that
<!--QuoteBegin-Maveric+Jun 13 2004, 05:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Maveric @ Jun 13 2004, 05:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Moisture turns it into a possible electrocution machine.
Random discharges of current between the two plates.
And worst of all:
It'd collect LOTS of dust!
All those charged particles would almost certainly attract layers and layers of dust so densely that the dust would be nearly impossible to scrape off or corrode the plate or similar things like that...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nope nope and nope. People have tons and tons of experience with capacitors. Big ones, small ones, house-shaped ones... so I think these things wouldn't be problems. Sparking could be a small issue maybe but the power supply would just bring it back up to full potential again anyway. And the moisture... you can say that any electronic device can turn into an electrocution machine, but you can design it so that it's very difficult to get electrocuted by. And the dust... what? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-AllUrHiveRBelong2Us+Jun 13 2004, 04:02 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AllUrHiveRBelong2Us @ Jun 13 2004, 04:02 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Yeah, that's what I was talking bout, any sort of normal slug round designed to peirce the small amounts of sheilding any tanks equiped with only this system would have would be able to breeze through no problem. If any country were to rely specifically on this device for protection its forces could end up being wiped out by cannonballs or something. Unless the device were to have it's power jacked up a reletively large amount. Don't know exactly how much power though, would be a rather simple physics problem, if you know how big a shell you want to vaporize, and it's composition.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-AllUrHiveRBelong2Us+Jun 13 2004, 04:15 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AllUrHiveRBelong2Us @ Jun 13 2004, 04:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It wouldn't be a large drain, it's designed to vaporize already melted copper, which has an extremely low specific heat and heat of vaporization as it is. The real test would be vaporization a solid peice of metal with a higher specific heat and heat of vaporization, like Steel for instance.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah it's a simple physics problem... that we know the answer to: it wouldn't work. It would be very very very difficult to just vaporize some <b>solid</b> mass of metal coming through, with any method. This capacitor method would not work at all against normal (not shaped, you know, with the molten stream) "rounds". Or solid steel. At all. You're right though, if regular crap gets through the plates, you're screwed. But there isn't much that can do that. And it will very-most-likely only work once until it can be fixed, but it's like life3 so it's worth it. Oh but watch out for pirates steering up next to ya matey.
what if multiple RPGs hit the tank at one time?
would all the warheads of molten copper get vaporized?
im thinking the capacitor may not recharge fast enough to stop multiple hits. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
1) The live layer is the *inner* layer. It's insulated so that the only thing that would breach it would be the molten copper. Moisture, dust (ehh?), etc aren't issues.
2) It's also hard for things to go wrong if the pilot only turns it on when he feels it's necessary. Which is how the system is designed.
As for protection against conventional shells... shape-charged warheads were designed precisely because conventional shells can't penetrate a foot of armor plating.