This map is absolutely superb, that's my verdict after having a look around. It would be a crime if this wasn't made official.
Only bad points were that you've mishandled the file structure of the .zip (it shouldn't have that ns_rust folder containing maps, sprites etc., they should exist on their own so people can unzip it correctly without hassle) and a slight grammar error: it should be "Devil's" not "Devil" on one of the info_locations.
Tequila thanks for bringing that to my attention. Ill fix it in the next build <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Some major changes are going to be implemented in the next build (Good ideas Forlorn, Magitek thanks.) mind you this is a test build.
The 2 elevators leading to cesspool are going to be replaced with ramps just to see if it flows better. plus more vents in that area
That Annoying Kid
I might throw that vent in as a weldable and see how it works, but without the weldable it would must likely be abused.
Thanks for the feedback everyone <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Well you definitely tidied up the layout <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
it looks like an excellent map, and i have not played it, but a very brightly lighted map, which is very unlike the NS maps that now come with NS. dark maps are an aliens friend, and light ones are a marines friend. though i haven't played it, maybe some dark areas for skulks etc to hide would be useful, everything seems VERY visible.
After some playtesting of it I found some somewhat issues that you might want to adress.
1) The north hive (cesspool) only has one exit route and that is somewhat closer to marine start. The problem being that in order to get the center hall is that this is the only route. A simple turret farm or camp will simply leave the alien team with nothing to do about it.
2) You can seige "Nano Regulation" from marine start, not good for aliens. However, this can be fix by just moving the node a little, maybe into the top-right corner.
3) Cesspool's node placement. A marine team can shoot down the node from both entrances. This is a common problem for ns_eclipse's Computer Core node. You should move it to another point, or make the hive room a little bigger and move it around.
The download link currently cannot be posted because the map is to be playtested and changed up a little bit before it is released. And about that guy saying that the map is bright, you're definitely wrong. The guy who took those pictures must've cranked up his gamma or something because it's not nearly that bright.
<!--QuoteBegin-Invader Scoot+Jun 8 2004, 08:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Invader Scoot @ Jun 8 2004, 08:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The download link currently cannot be posted because the map is to be playtested and changed up a little bit before it is released. And about that guy saying that the map is bright, you're definitely wrong. The guy who took those pictures must've cranked up his gamma or something because it's not nearly that bright. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> This is true. He must have like lightgamma 4 on or something. The map was about the same darkness as most maps. (I am hinting to more of a mineshaft if anything though)
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->1) The north hive (cesspool) only has one exit route and that is somewhat closer to marine start. The problem being that in order to get the center hall is that this is the only route. A simple turret farm or camp will simply leave the alien team with nothing to do about it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
seconded.
and, i'll have a mirror set up, when u want to release the map.
<!--QuoteBegin-Invader Scoot+Jun 9 2004, 01:21 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Invader Scoot @ Jun 9 2004, 01:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The download link currently cannot be posted because the map is to be playtested and changed up a little bit before it is released. And about that guy saying that the map is bright, you're definitely wrong. The guy who took those pictures must've cranked up his gamma or something because it's not nearly that bright. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> So by "ns_rust is finished!" you mean it is <b><i>not</i></b> finished... <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I hope you know what cesspool means <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->So by "ns_rust is finished!" you mean it is not finished...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I used the word "finished" to draw attention to the post <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> and to express my excitement of how far the map has come.
Nothing is really ever Finished is it? I mean the artist or however might lose interest in the work, but that doesn't mean the work itself is Finished does it? I think not. Look at Ns_bast, Relic25 either lost interest in his map or NS im not surw which one, but i do know that bast has been remade and still lives <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I hope you know what cesspool means<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Dictionary.com definition: A filthy, disgusting, morally corrupt place, or hive.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->After some play testing of it I found some somewhat issues that you might want to address.
1) The north hive (cesspool) only has one exit route and that is somewhat closer to marine start. The problem being that in order to get the center hall is that this is the only route. A simple turret farm or camp will simply leave the alien team with nothing to do about it.
2) You can siege "Nano Regulation" from marine start, not good for aliens. However, this can be fix by just moving the node a little, maybe into the top-right corner.
3) Cesspool's node placement. A marine team can shoot down the node from both entrances. This is a common problem for ns_eclipse's Computer Core node. You should move it to another point, or make the hive room a little bigger and move it around. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Exoity thanks for the constructive feed back!
Nano Regulation siege problem has been fixed (rebuilt it).
That is a pretty bad chock point and i have a solution take a look below.
The green dot indicates the chock point just so people know what your talking about. The orange box shows where the new ramp is going to be. From mainframe to turbine room.
<!--QuoteBegin-Moose+Jun 9 2004, 05:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Moose @ Jun 9 2004, 05:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Look at Ns_bast, Relic25 either lost interest in his map or NS im not surw which one, but i do know that bast has been remade and still lives <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> No, he had to leave, real life issues.
I think Ekaj was the one who lost interest in mapping <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Mendasp+Jun 9 2004, 05:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mendasp @ Jun 9 2004, 05:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Moose+Jun 9 2004, 05:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Moose @ Jun 9 2004, 05:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Look at Ns_bast, Relic25 either lost interest in his map or NS im not surw which one, but i do know that bast has been remade and still lives <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> No, he had to leave, real life issues.
I think Ekaj was the one who lost interest in mapping <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Certainly seems that way. For shame. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->QUOTE (Mendasp @ Jun 9 2004, 05:18 PM) QUOTE (Moose @ Jun 9 2004, 05:38 PM) Look at Ns_bast, Relic25 either lost interest in his map or NS im not surw which one, but i do know that bast has been remade and still lives
No, he had to leave, real life issues.
I think Ekaj was the one who lost interest in mapping
Certainly seems that way. For shame. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow what a bummer. Hopefully something or someone will inspire him to map again.
Thing is, cesspool is more of a describing word in day to day life "that place is a cesspool", and you are trying to use it as a noun to name a place... it just doesn't sound right or fit the NS theme if you ask me <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Cobra^+Jun 9 2004, 09:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cobra^ @ Jun 9 2004, 09:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Thing is, cesspool is more of a describing word in day to day life "that place is a cesspool", and you are trying to use it as a noun to name a place... it just doesn't sound right or fit the NS theme if you ask me <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Cesspool <i>is</i> a noun, they exist in real life in places like sewerage treatment plants.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Cesspool/Septic Treatment is formulated to enhance the degradation of organic compounds commonly found in cesspool systems. By blending naturally occurring microbes and enzymes such as celulases, lignases and proteases, along with growth stimulating biochemicals, a rapid reduction of organic waste is achieved.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Moose+Jun 9 2004, 10:38 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Moose @ Jun 9 2004, 10:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The green dot indicates the chock point just so people know what your talking about. The orange box shows where the new ramp is going to be. From mainframe to turbine room. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That seems like a great idea.
<!--QuoteBegin-Tequila+Jun 9 2004, 10:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tequila @ Jun 9 2004, 10:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Cesspool <i>is</i> a noun, they exist in real life in places like sewerage treatment plants. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Thanks.
Looks nice, I really love the architecture <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Tequila+Jun 9 2004, 04:55 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tequila @ Jun 9 2004, 04:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Cobra^+Jun 9 2004, 09:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cobra^ @ Jun 9 2004, 09:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Thing is, cesspool is more of a describing word in day to day life "that place is a cesspool", and you are trying to use it as a noun to name a place... it just doesn't sound right or fit the NS theme if you ask me <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Cesspool <i>is</i> a noun, they exist in real life in places like sewerage treatment plants. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Not only that, but he is using it a noun in that very sentance. 'Red' is a discribing word (read adjective), I have never heard someone say "that place is a red". A sentance that starts with "that place is a" must logically follow into a noun, the word 'a' implys an object that can be counted, and only nouns can exist as objects that can be counted.
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Only bad points were that you've mishandled the file structure of the .zip (it shouldn't have that ns_rust folder containing maps, sprites etc., they should exist on their own so people can unzip it correctly without hassle) and a slight grammar error: it should be "Devil's" not "Devil" on one of the info_locations.
<!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Here are some screenies i took:
1/5
<img src='http://www.hellbilly.net/nsp/ns_rust1.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
2/5
<img src='http://www.hellbilly.net/nsp/ns_rust2.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
3/5
<img src='http://www.hellbilly.net/nsp/ns_rust3.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
4/5
<img src='http://www.hellbilly.net/nsp/ns_rust4.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
5/5
<img src='http://www.hellbilly.net/nsp/ns_rust5.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
Some major changes are going to be implemented in the next build (Good ideas Forlorn, Magitek thanks.) mind you this is a test build.
The 2 elevators leading to cesspool are going to be replaced with ramps just to see if it flows better. plus more vents in that area
That Annoying Kid
I might throw that vent in as a weldable and see how it works, but without the weldable it would must likely be abused.
Thanks for the feedback everyone <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
hope to play soon.+
1) The north hive (cesspool) only has one exit route and that is somewhat closer to marine start. The problem being that in order to get the center hall is that this is the only route. A simple turret farm or camp will simply leave the alien team with nothing to do about it.
2) You can seige "Nano Regulation" from marine start, not good for aliens. However, this can be fix by just moving the node a little, maybe into the top-right corner.
3) Cesspool's node placement. A marine team can shoot down the node from both entrances. This is a common problem for ns_eclipse's Computer Core node. You should move it to another point, or make the hive room a little bigger and move it around.
This is true. He must have like lightgamma 4 on or something. The map was about the same darkness as most maps. (I am hinting to more of a mineshaft if anything though)
seconded.
and, i'll have a mirror set up, when u want to release the map.
So by "ns_rust is finished!" you mean it is <b><i>not</i></b> finished...
<!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I used the word "finished" to draw attention to the post <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> and to express my excitement of how far the map has come.
Nothing is really ever Finished is it? I mean the artist or however might lose interest in the work, but that doesn't mean the work itself is Finished does it? I think not. Look at Ns_bast, Relic25 either lost interest in his map or NS im not surw which one, but i do know that bast has been remade and still lives <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I hope you know what cesspool means<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Dictionary.com definition: A filthy, disgusting, morally corrupt place, or hive.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->After some play testing of it I found some somewhat issues that you might want to address.
1) The north hive (cesspool) only has one exit route and that is somewhat closer to marine start. The problem being that in order to get the center hall is that this is the only route. A simple turret farm or camp will simply leave the alien team with nothing to do about it.
2) You can siege "Nano Regulation" from marine start, not good for aliens. However, this can be fix by just moving the node a little, maybe into the top-right corner.
3) Cesspool's node placement. A marine team can shoot down the node from both entrances. This is a common problem for ns_eclipse's Computer Core node. You should move it to another point, or make the hive room a little bigger and move it around. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Exoity thanks for the constructive feed back!
Nano Regulation siege problem has been fixed (rebuilt it).
That is a pretty bad chock point and i have a solution take a look below.
<img src='http://members.cox.net/pavement1/ns_rustlay.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
The green dot indicates the chock point just so people know what your talking about. The orange box shows where the new ramp is going to be. From mainframe to turbine room.
peace
No, he had to leave, real life issues.
I think Ekaj was the one who lost interest in mapping <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
No, he had to leave, real life issues.
I think Ekaj was the one who lost interest in mapping <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Certainly seems that way. For shame. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
QUOTE (Moose @ Jun 9 2004, 05:38 PM)
Look at Ns_bast, Relic25 either lost interest in his map or NS im not surw which one, but i do know that bast has been remade and still lives
No, he had to leave, real life issues.
I think Ekaj was the one who lost interest in mapping
Certainly seems that way. For shame. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow what a bummer. Hopefully something or someone will inspire him to map again.
Cesspool <i>is</i> a noun, they exist in real life in places like sewerage treatment plants.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Cesspool/Septic Treatment is formulated to enhance the degradation of organic compounds commonly found in cesspool systems. By blending naturally occurring microbes and enzymes such as celulases, lignases and proteases, along with growth stimulating biochemicals, a rapid reduction of organic waste is achieved.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That seems like a great idea.
Thanks.
Thanks. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
What can I say, I'm your friendly neighbourhood dictionary <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Cesspool <i>is</i> a noun, they exist in real life in places like sewerage treatment plants. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not only that, but he is using it a noun in that very sentance. 'Red' is a discribing word (read adjective), I have never heard someone say "that place is a red". A sentance that starts with "that place is a" must logically follow into a noun, the word 'a' implys an object that can be counted, and only nouns can exist as objects that can be counted.