Omg I Just Got A Really Crazy Idea!

NightCrawlerzNightCrawlerz Join Date: 2003-04-18 Member: 15609Members
in NS General Discussion
<div class="IPBDescription">please read and comment</div> ok i was just sitting here and i thought...

why dont we replace spore with spike...

then remove redemption from the defence chamber

THEN make a new defence ability called natrual <b>defence</b> that gave the person who upgraded it a chance to cast a spore when hit.

Natural defence:
lvl 1: 10% chance to cast Spore on self when hit
lvl2: 15% chance to cast spore on self when hit
lvl 3 : 20% chance to cast spore on self when hit,

This sound really cool as an ability. It would really help those who have to get in close to fight. And its at such a low percent that only a few will be out at a time UNLESS your an onos being chanced by 5 lmg marines then youll get a HUGE cloud. You could stop so many form being casted by putting a max spore count in a certin radius.

C MON lerks want their Spike back I want redemtion removed and a new fresh ability. We both win as well as improve ns.
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  • Seph_KimaraSeph_Kimara Join Date: 2003-08-10 Member: 19359Members
    edited June 2004
    Okay, lets replace a worthless upgrade with one that is just as worthless.
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  • rknZrknZ Join Date: 2003-10-23 Member: 21885Members
    I got many many more spike kills than spore kills <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • DaxxDaxx Join Date: 2002-04-16 Member: 460Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Eh, no. This should be in the I&S. Redeption just needs to become useful again, not replaced.
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  • ZekZek Join Date: 2002-11-10 Member: 7962Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    Spores is a better ability for Lerks than Spikes is, by a long shot. No way should we swap them. Also this ability sounds pretty worthless to me, at least in comparison to the other 2 D upgrades...

    I do think Redemption needs to either be replaced or changed in function though. The way it works now it will always be either too weak(useless on lower life forms, unreliable on higher ones) or too strong(useful for lower life forms, invincible Onoses/Fades). I don't care if it's balanced, Redemption is no fun at all for marines when it works properly.
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  • SariselSarisel .::&#39; ( O ) &#39;;:-. .-.:;&#39; ( O ) &#39;::. Join Date: 2003-07-30 Member: 18557Members, Constellation
    Yeah, let's add the armory's 'random' properties to an ability. Then surely everybody will rush to get this 'defense' upgrade so that at times they will not bear a single sporecloud in 40 hits, while at other times the FPS of anybody in the vicinity will go down the toilet. Then there's the goodness of spores cast on self as a defensive upgrade, but..

    Worthless.
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  • FreemantleFreemantle Join Date: 2002-06-16 Member: 783Members
    edited June 2004
    You really came up with a good idea! I'm glad nobody reminds me why I havent posted here in over a year.

    <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=72425&st=15' target='_blank'>Or wait, I already said that, but not as stupidly.</a>
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  • DaxxDaxx Join Date: 2002-04-16 Member: 460Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-Freemantle+Jun 6 2004, 06:44 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Freemantle @ Jun 6 2004, 06:44 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You really came up with a good idea! I'm glad nobody reminds me why I havent posted here in over a year.

    <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=72425&st=15' target='_blank'>Or wait, I already said that, but not as stupidly.</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Nah, this is generally atyipcal. If you like this stuff however, be sure to swing by the I&S forums <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • SewlekSewlek The programmer previously known as Schimmel Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16247Members, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, Subnautica Developer
    umbra cloud is as useless as sporecloud. Well, umbra cloud is useless because it would have a similar effect as carapace has: You can survive longer.

    And the thing with the spore cloud "natural defense": It sounds cool, but that´s all.
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  • MrChainsawMrChainsaw Join Date: 2004-04-07 Member: 27786Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    I knew this was gonna be a great thread. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Any thread with "OMG" and/or "I got an idea" in the title is bound to be pure comedy gold.
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  • Diablo_fxDiablo_fx Join Date: 2003-02-21 Member: 13793Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Stack!+Jun 8 2004, 11:43 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Stack! @ Jun 8 2004, 11:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I knew this was gonna be a great thread. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Any thread with "OMG" and/or "I got an idea" in the title is bound to be pure comedy gold. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    allways <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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  • FreddehFreddeh Join Date: 2003-07-29 Member: 18520Members, Constellation
    edited June 2004
    Switch 'Spore cloud' with 'umbra cloud' and it has a chance <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Oh and lower the percentages to 5, 10, 15 at most.
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  • napinapi Join Date: 2003-03-01 Member: 14172Members, Constellation
    you'd honestly take a 15% chance of releasing an umbra cloud over a guaranteed increase in armour or a guaranteed regeneration.. ?

    i can think of no alien creature i'd want this upgrade for. onos regen every time.. fade regen or cara depending on if it's early or late, lerk regen, skulk cara, gorge.. not enough health to give him chance of releasing the cloud!
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  • EidolanEidolan Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8694Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Fred1l1+Jun 8 2004, 03:00 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Fred1l1 @ Jun 8 2004, 03:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Switch 'Spore cloud' with 'umbra cloud' and it has a chance <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Oh and lower the percentages to 5, 10, 15 at most. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I agree, spore dose't seem like a def thing anway.
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  • SewlekSewlek The programmer previously known as Schimmel Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16247Members, NS2 Developer, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Gold, Subnautica Developer
    Offense Chambers could do something like this (releasing spore cloud when hit), but it makes no sense as a defense upgrade, because it has an actually offensive effect.
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  • EZeroEZero Join Date: 2003-08-12 Member: 19572Members
    hahahah PERFECT......just ....brilliant

    get an onos taking down a turret farm while digesting.... GAS UP THE ROOM!!!!

    hahaha ladies and gentlemen, i believe the onos digestive process is now complete

    on topic however, keep spores dont add spikes again... lerk is fine the way it is now
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  • FreemantleFreemantle Join Date: 2002-06-16 Member: 783Members
    Why make it percentage based? An alien will always produce an umbra cloud when hit, but the cloud has a cooldown of 1 second. This means means that a traveleing fade wont leave astring of umbra clouds, and all of you on 500MHz grandma PCs wont BSOD or drop to 1fps.

    On the three levels, make the bullet blockage increase.

    1 -> 2/3 66%
    2 -> 3/4 75% 9% Increase
    3 -> 4/5 80% 5% Increase

    I'm not saying lerk spikes is a wonderful attack, but it was orgasmic with silence and would see in-flight use with 3.0s flight model (cheap as free flying).
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  • TalionTalion Join Date: 2002-01-24 Member: 28Members
    edited June 2004
    A bit off topic but...
    The best redemption suggestion I've seen allows aliens below a set percentage of health to redeem after a short amount of time, if they are standing still. That way they can't redeem in combat, but if they can escape combat they can get back to a hive much faster.

    Slightly more on topic, it doesn't make sense to have an upgrade with a particle effect that everyone can see. Too much lag. You could have a personalised umbra without the particles I suppose, but you would probably need some kind of disadvantage like a loss of energy while it is active. Otherwise why isn't active all the time?

    Edit: Corrections
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