The Final Push

SnidelySnidely Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13098Members
<div class="IPBDescription">This is it...hey, where'd you guys go?</div> I don't com often. Usually, it's when noone else will jump into the chair. I just don't like taking the flak for a loss.

I com'd a game yesterday, though. Map was ns_origin on a 9v9 server, so a marine advantage (good for an infrequent com like me). It went well until we had both hives and double.

There's usually one or two marines who just rambo. However, once we had both hives and had cleared double (which was lamed to hell), the whole team was just naffing around. Crawling through vents, chasing shiny objects, leaping into lava - the sort of thing rambos do, generally. And, in the process, losing the weaponry I gave them.

We had had everything but the final hive for a few minutes. Despite constant requests, cajoling and at one point caps lettering, they just faffed about. I went to give one person who went the right way a medpack (after he fell from the ladder at double), when the alien team (who had quietly massed outside our base) attacked en masse. One of them must have been saving all game, because he was an onos; the rest were skulks. They went straight for the obs, and tore it down in a few secs. The rest followed soon after.

Although we reloc'd to double, the damage was done. We lost.

The marines weren't useless. They could aim, and managed to beat back aliens who used a good degree of organisation. However, they just didn't grasp the importance of keeping up the pressure. We were winning because the aliens were responding, not reacting; however, when they didn't push for the final hive at Vent (except through the sodding vents in ones and twos, which were guarded by lame and happy skulks), they let the aliens take the initiative, and they pounded us.

<b>How do you keep marines focused on the goal? What measures can you do to make them think, "I have an HMG, I will use it to help push the aliens into their hive" rather than, "I have an HMG. Let's go attack those 9 OCs head on"?</b>


  • SLizerSLizer Join Date: 2003-11-07 Member: 22363Members, Constellation
    I had just same thing in ns_nancy yesterday we had 1 hive and 7rt`s and mess.
    I commanded them to attack subspace. Suddenly our base is under attack at mother i give them pg and say 5xPG resukt: one goes to mother and dies. puff goes our hive. well i managed to siege subspace. but soon after aliens attacked mess hall and once again noone went. result: we lost quite soon

    I think the only way to get your team really work is to play clan match (the only place real eh? )

    OR make some reputation so you have some punc with your words <!--emo&:(--><img src='' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Thats the only way <!--emo&:(--><img src='' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Dr_SmaShDr_SmaSh Join Date: 2003-02-27 Member: 14072Members
    edited May 2004
    Lol... i had a same game yesterday. I had 1 hive, dbl (alltogether 5-6 RTs). Had A3, W3, MT, JP, HA... evrything. I give out HAs with HMGs... but the team... omg. Biggest n00bs ever! If i could... i would ban them all! Team had 200 res all the time... but u know that feeling when u see that its all pointless. U know that the 1st time u give out HAs and HMGs... if in 1-2min u have to give out another 4-5HAs... the game is over. U have stupid team (nah... aliens cant be that good cuz we ownd the map, hive, dbl, 5-6 RTs). I becon them to take HAs... and they... OMG... they went in all directions. And there was one n00b that was **** me of the whole time. It was like 2 min in game and he starts to scream "COMM I NEED HA AND HMG!"... ok... n1.... good joke... now go to WP. But no... he stayed in base for 10min and keep asking for HA and HMG. I was so **** of... if the FF was ON i would kill em all and sell IPs... **** idiots.

    Oh and... i (as comm) had most killes... and i didnt siege... cuz idiots didnt go to WP.
  • jamespsxjamespsx Join Date: 2003-10-16 Member: 21708Members
    do what i do... promise them stuff, like if they got double, ill give em all a shotty with da res and stuff like that... it also makes them organised cos they dont want to die with this special gift... very gud tactic of getting rines to do stuff <!--emo&:D--><img src='' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • ZaggyZaggy NullPointerException The Netherlands Join Date: 2003-12-10 Member: 24214Forum Moderators, NS2 Playtester, Reinforced - Onos, Subnautica Playtester
    Well to regroup your rine, you could use beacon, and just after they are beaconed in you could explain what you're up to, and give em some equipment.
  • Snapper_JoSnapper_Jo Join Date: 2003-10-21 Member: 21858Members
    There are times when one gets a team of marines such as yours. Not much can be done. The easiest way to deal with it that I've done may take a while.

    Basically get a mic first off. Even though you dont comm often its almost a necessity if your gonna comm to have a mic. Then when they arent doin what you want threaten to recycle everything if they dont obey. When they laugh and think your bluffing recycle the whole base.

    It took me a while but back in 2.0 just before the beta's came out I had done that enough times that people pretty much always listend to me on the server i play on regularly. Kinda sucks that I pretty much had to blackmail my own team into winning, but it was pretty cool have 7 times as many recycles as anyone else on the server!

    Short of that the only thing Ive ever seen work is having a reputation as a great commander. A regular on the sever I played on had such a reputation and he almost always had everyone doing what he wanted without people begging for shotguns.

    Anyways those are the most common ways Ive seen people keep the team interested in the game.

  • SaltzBadSaltzBad Join Date: 2004-02-23 Member: 26833Members
    Get one guy to build a PG as close to the Hive as possible. Beacon. Recycle every other PG. Say "Phase phase phase phase phase" until everyone mutes you in disgust. Game over.
  • DC_DarklingDC_Darkling Join Date: 2003-07-10 Member: 18068Members, Constellation, Squad Five Blue, Squad Five Silver
    if there close to the hive, tell them there 4 eggs egging inside. LIE babeh. its near over.

    let them rampage happily in, when there in, confess your lie. there in anywayz.. <!--emo&:D--><img src='' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    ok.. i have not commed in months. does it show? <!--emo&:p--><img src='' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • Norml_E_HighNorml_E_High Join Date: 2003-03-30 Member: 15055Members
    edited May 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Snidely+May 24 2004, 05:51 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Snidely @ May 24 2004, 05:51 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ....cajoling and at one point caps lettering,.... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Theres your problem. Apparently you don't have voice comm, or choose not to use it. I've always said don't bother comming without a mic, although possible, its not nearly as fun nor effective without one. Some people are literally TOO STUPID, to look at the chat. If you had been ruling with an iron comm fist the entire game with your mic, your marines most likely would have known your plan and have been with it 100%.
  • Special_KSpecial_K Join Date: 2003-04-19 Member: 15637Members, Constellation
    threaten to ban anyone who doesn't follow your orders even if you arent an admin
  • AmplifierAmplifier Join Date: 2004-02-19 Member: 26708Members, Constellation
    Get out of the comm chair and take care of that hive yourself <!--emo&:p--><img src='' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Really, just beacon, and direct them all.
  • ShotgunEdShotgunEd Join Date: 2004-01-02 Member: 24966Members
    Agreed just beacon. I've had to do this a number of times to get co-operation. 4 of 8 marines start to go to the waypoint, so you beacon again. You tell them all to go the waypoint this time or you'll just beacon them until they do. I usually stop beaconing when about 7 of the 8 have managed to work out which way to go. I think the most times I had to beacon must have been about 4, needless to say I almost got ejected...
  • RushakraRushakra Join Date: 2004-03-25 Member: 27523Members
    "Everytime you don't do what I say, I will beacon.
    Everytime I beacon, that is one less HMG / HA you will get.
    If I beacon X times, your Infantry Portals and Phase Gates are recycled."

    If they start to eject you, recycle every node and start spamming GLs (if you have them) or medpacks.
  • taboofirestaboofires Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9853Members
    edited May 2004
    The marines don't always have an interest in winning. Every once in a while you'll have some guys who are playing for fun (in a game, yeah, haha), but aren't particularly concerned for the fun of others.

    Best thing is to simply not let your blood-preasure go up. Perhaps drop a big pile of guns, give yourself a jp/gl, and go cause some damage yourself <!--emo&;)--><img src='' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo--> It's not worth letting it get to you.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If they start to eject you, recycle every node and start spamming GLs (if you have them) or medpacks. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    That will get you banned (deservedly) on most well-admined servers.
  • im_lostim_lost TWG Rule Guru Join Date: 2003-04-26 Member: 15861Members
    Beacon, and give them waypoints every 10 feet. If someone insists on not listening, then give them a "guard self" waypoint (if you can still do that).
  • DestroyerDestroyer Join Date: 2003-12-21 Member: 24611Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-i'm lost+May 25 2004, 06:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (i'm lost @ May 25 2004, 06:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Beacon, and give them waypoints every 10 feet. If someone insists on not listening, then give them a "guard self" waypoint (if you can still do that). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    its still possible,though very hard, the hitbox for guard self is liek a pixel wide.
  • SnidelySnidely Join Date: 2003-02-04 Member: 13098Members
    edited May 2004
    It happened again, only this time I did an better job of micromanaging; we had the upgrades earlier, in other words. They just weren't interested. One guy, when I gave him a GL to help cover the others for the supposed rush, went off and hid in a vent. Most got the idea in their heads that taking double res was more important than killing the last hive. Some called for more turrets (as if that would help, we already had average four at each, which is more than enough), some chased a lerk...

    I tried beacons, but all I got was bitching (especially from the GLer in the vent). I tried insulting them, but they ignored me. I rewarded them, but all I got was contempt.

    The only thing left is the mic, as far as I can tell. I'm trying to get the sodding thing working. If I com again (God forbid) I'll let you know how verbal slapping effected things, too.

    All I can say is that I respect those coms who can get people to do what is needed. Maybe that's just something that can't be picked up...
  • KazeKaze Join Date: 2003-09-01 Member: 20447Members
    Get a mic.

    Find a better server.

    I never experience this sort of thing on my favourite servers.
  • SaltzBadSaltzBad Join Date: 2004-02-23 Member: 26833Members
    edited May 2004
    Just call me or something when you're going to go comm again. I'll join and set every single last one of those **** punks straight - and while I'm at it chew down your turrets with my bare prosthetic teeth, because turrets stink.

    No seriously. Just **** at them via mike, and deny them anything that doesn't involve doing what you want.
  • ApocalypseApocalypse Join Date: 2003-12-23 Member: 24700Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Special K+May 24 2004, 05:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Special K @ May 24 2004, 05:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->threaten to ban anyone who doesn't follow your orders even if you arent an admin<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Works like a charm, except if a real admin is on then ...
  • SLizerSLizer Join Date: 2003-11-07 Member: 22363Members, Constellation
    Absolutely best thing is to play regually on some servers and allways comm,
    after some time they know your the man and do what you said.

    And no you can`t pick it up you have to earn it.

    I played in 2.0 in auria.pelikaista allways and in sumthing like after 3months i was insisted to take the chair and i had this one guy allways take me all res while other harrased aliens. i think hi`s name was T30...

    Nowdays i play in surftown where i have also started to get some respect althou it`s quite noobish place.

    RESPECT is the only real thing if you want to have good team.

    Lying never work`s after two times

    I will ban you will get YOU banned

    bribing ppl just dont work...
  • Iron_MaidenIron_Maiden Join Date: 2003-09-24 Member: 21167Members
    solution : admin goes in cc (---- marine f%cking around doing nothing ..... BAN)
  • DTEDTE Join Date: 2004-05-03 Member: 28412Members
    when you got a marine team full of noobs and you give them a wp ALWAYS say that there are shotties and hmgs at the wp <!--emo&:p--><img src='' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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