Next Time You Go To Call Someone A Res Horder

RyoOhkiRyoOhki Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Check their score</div> This has happened to myself and others on servers I frequent a few times now, and I wish to make my feelings on the subject clear.

I'm pretty much a dedicated gorge. Since 2.0 I can count on one hand the number of times I have been a Fade or an Onos. I'm either a gorge or a late game support lerk, and I rarely get thanked but I don't do it for praise; I do it because it helps my team. The only res I spend on myself is on an upgrade or two, usually to help me survive a little longer or be able to heal/bile bomb for longer.

And yet there have been times when other players have tarred myself and other dedicated support players with the title "res horder". Sometimes it's been them labeling the whole team; other times they simply see your score at the top of the table and start screaming at you to use res.

Now if someone deserves the title of res horder, by all means yell at them. But before you type or shout that in, look at their score. If they have 2 kills and their score is 50, chances are you're looking at a dedicated gorge. Think back throughout the match to that green dot you saw moving through the map, healing players, dropping dcs and ocs at strategic points and making sure that new hives are protected and connected with mcs. Then understand that without us, you wouldn't have the res to spend on your fancy fade, you wouldn't have a 2nd hive for your metabolise or stomp, you wouldn't have the chambers for your nice upgrades. And we certainly to not deserve the title of res horder.

So please, take a moment to think and press "tab". We gorges ask for little in return for our tireless efforts; I don't think some courtesy is too much to expect.
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  • RahXephonRahXephon Join Date: 2003-10-25 Member: 21929Members, Constellation
    I used to be a dedicated gorge aswell in 1.x - 2.x, now that has been replaced by every player 'tempgorging' and contributing something to the team, either a res tower, dc's or the hive. Only 1 player usually permgorges in a game on average. Some people take the 'contribute' rule too hard and yell at each and every player to spend their res on something. The so-called 'res****s' are only **** if they don't contribute when everyone is asking to. If someone goes fade and nobody said he should have done something else you can't really blame him, neither with common sense. An occasional fade is okay and pretty much a big boost vs fighting marines (or elecced RT's), and an onos might save a losing game whereas a second hive could not (killed by the rines before it went up). All I'm saying is if the alien team already have a small amount of contributors, the rest isn't obligated to join them.
  • WirheWirhe Join Date: 2003-06-22 Member: 17610Members
    Gorging isn't that usefull anymore, since OC's are practically useless and redemption won't save those 10 precious res you have already invested. Anyway, I have had my share of those too (but without !!!'s <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> ). Most often it has been because I have been too busy to spend them (like defending a hive as a skulk or fade). Just ignore them or tell that you'll spend them when you want; they get the overflow anyway once you're maxed your res. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • CEldinCEldin Join Date: 2002-09-16 Member: 1323Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Tails+May 23 2004, 06:53 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tails @ May 23 2004, 06:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Gorging isn't that usefull anymore, since OC's are practically useless... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well you see here Tails, its closeminded attitudes like this that ruin the atmosphere of Natural-Selection. Have you ever experimented with OCs? Try placing them differently, strategically even. In scrims, matches, pugs, pubs, or wherever, OCs have their place. Much as every other thing in NS has its place. OCs aside, Gorges are exceptionally useful early-mid game. Two Skulks attacking a few marines in a close corridor with Gorge back up will survive an extra two or three bullets due to healspray; that makes the difference between death and living. A Gorge bile-bombing in a vent can take out an entire installation.

    Catpacks for example can also be utelized very effecienly and become rather deadly in a practiced and intelligent person's hands, yet we still see a lot of new people complain about them in game and on this forum.

    What I'm trying to say is think before you post. Its more constructive and helps the attitude of the community. Don't write something off simply because you havn't seen it used effectivly. Perhaps I shouldn't adress this to just you, as its more of a general thing to everyone in NS.

    Experimentation is not only for colledge. Trust me.
  • ForlornForlorn Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2634Banned
    In scrims gorges are a burden.

    You need more skulks to take on more marines, it's as simple as that, and gorges don't cut it.
  • RecoupRecoup Join Date: 2004-04-25 Member: 28195Members
    edited May 2004
    I love being a gorge because it gives me a sense of power in my own way, and that in a way to help the team. If we are loosing badly and no one has built a Movement Chamber yet then I just jump right on it and its up. EVeryone upgrades, no one realizes that the lone gorge has given everyone an oppertunity to last longer. Gorges are under-appreciated, and calling them res **** is horrible...

    I think on the notion of OC's, they DEFINATELY have their place early on in the game, when marines have Level 0 armor and Level 0 damage upgrades. I cant tell you how many times as gorge I have been bait and lured a marine into a pack of OC's I constructed. Not to mention CLOAKED OC's can prove VERY deadly.
  • RahXephonRahXephon Join Date: 2003-10-25 Member: 21929Members, Constellation
    Oc's are generally useful, just not if you've only placed one. 2 OC's become a problem, and 3 will take a while to kill. Any more then that and you have a good WoL that can block the passage for some time or delay the marines atleast a minute or 2.
  • RyoOhkiRyoOhki Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> In scrims gorges are a burden.

    You need more skulks to take on more marines, it's as simple as that, and gorges don't cut it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I strongly disagree. A support gorge can make all the differance in an attack, for in and after battle healing. The 10 res needed to change into a gorge is quite an amount to consider in early game situations, and it can be adventageous to remain as a gorge long enough to put down a dc or two. The hive will likely be put up by a skulk who didn't temp at the start, but a hive by itself isn't as powerful without secure resource nodes and evolution chambers.

    Skulks by themselves generally come out second best against marines. Throw in a gorge and a lerk and things change.
  • SalvationSalvation Join Date: 2003-11-21 Member: 23300Members
    your ganna need some fades to win tho

    so realize that also
  • PetcoPetco Join Date: 2003-07-27 Member: 18478Members, Constellation
    edited May 2004
    You need at least 4 good gorges on the alien team (Example MvA 14v14) then anyone can go fade or so. When someone goes onos with only one hive and the rines already have like level 1 or 2 weapons upgrade and the rines have alot of rts and aliens have one empty hive location, then thats a true res hord. Also has anyone seen a game in either 2.0 or 1.04 where everyone save their res all the way to 75 or 100 (depends if 2.0 or 3.0) and they all go onos? I've only seen it once and it kill the rines, but just wondering has anyone ever seen this? And I was on alien team so no admins helping the aliens get res.
  • StewieStewie Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18795Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Tails+May 23 2004, 09:53 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tails @ May 23 2004, 09:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Gorging isn't that usefull anymore, since OC's are practically useless and redemption won't save those 10 precious res you have already invested. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yes, gorging isn't as usefull anymore since Lerks got the ability to build .... <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->







    Ok, so they didn't <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> Gorging isn't usefull, its essential ... ever seen a Lerk build your hive or your precious DC's ? Thought so ...
    1 OC won't stop a determined Marine but 3 will.
    Just stay out of combat and you'll be fine
  • Norml_E_HighNorml_E_High Join Date: 2003-03-30 Member: 15055Members
    Yeah I still go gorge alot purely because every server I join is full of noobs who don't know that we need stuff built. The best part is when the True res****s go fade or onos without the DC I couldn't build being I'm the only gorge, then die, laughably might I add, then start screaming over the voice comm that it's my fault. Lol.
  • RecoupRecoup Join Date: 2004-04-25 Member: 28195Members
    *sigh* I just hate a n00b who thinks he knows best....
  • Seph_KimaraSeph_Kimara Join Date: 2003-08-10 Member: 19359Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-RahXephon+May 23 2004, 05:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RahXephon @ May 23 2004, 05:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Oc's are generally useful, just not if you've only placed one. 2 OC's become a problem, and 3 will take a while to kill. Any more then that and you have a good WoL that can block the passage for some time or delay the marines atleast a minute or 2. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    then you get the commander's commchair/TF dropping action, which is followed by the marine's doing their hop over the OCs, followed by recycled chair. Instant bypass.
  • EpidemicEpidemic Dark Force Gorge Join Date: 2003-06-29 Member: 17781Members
    This is an outrage! To disregard all teamplay to satisfy your will to become a gorge is just a pinch over the line.
  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Seph Kimara+May 23 2004, 05:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Seph Kimara @ May 23 2004, 05:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-RahXephon+May 23 2004, 05:54 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RahXephon @ May 23 2004, 05:54 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Oc's are generally useful, just not if you've only placed one. 2 OC's become a problem, and 3 will take a while to kill. Any more then that and you have a good WoL that can block the passage for some time or delay the marines atleast a minute or 2. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    then you get the commander's commchair/TF dropping action, which is followed by the marine's doing their hop over the OCs, followed by recycled chair. Instant bypass. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Well, don't place them all in a line then. Put them in alcoves on all sides of a room, make it impossible to shoot at one without getting shot at by another, and they really do work wonders until the shotties come out.

    Oh yeah, how exactly can a gorge be called a "res-hoarder"? Gorges don't get extra res like in 1.0, and they really don't have much of a reason to hold onto any res....I really don't understand the first post in this thread at all.
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    I was under the impression that a res horder was someone who horded up res to go fade or more often onos as fast as possible, not building anything for the team. I have no idea how you could be called a res horder if you were a gorge unless you have built absolutly nothing... In which case you are a terrible gorge.
  • RecoupRecoup Join Date: 2004-04-25 Member: 28195Members
    ^ Agreed ^

    My thoughts of res **** occured in ns_metal when we had an Onos within 5 minutes of the game...
  • SalvationSalvation Join Date: 2003-11-21 Member: 23300Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Petco+May 23 2004, 01:34 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Petco @ May 23 2004, 01:34 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You need at least 4 good gorges on the alien team (Example MvA 14v14) then anyone can go fade or so. When someone goes onos with only one hive and the rines already have like level 1 or 2 weapons upgrade and the rines have alot of rts and aliens have one empty hive location, then thats a true res hord. Also has anyone seen a game in either 2.0 or 1.04 where everyone save their res all the way to 75 or 100 (depends if 2.0 or 3.0) and they all go onos? I've only seen it once and it kill the rines, but just wondering has anyone ever seen this? And I was on alien team so no admins helping the aliens get res. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    indeed
  • DaxxDaxx Join Date: 2002-04-16 Member: 460Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited May 2004
    A Res **** is a player that is typicaly not very good, dosn't communicate with the team, runs around dying alot untill they can Onos/Fade, then maybe kill one marine before dying as that higher lifeform.
  • HateradeHaterade Join Date: 2004-01-19 Member: 25471Members
    whoever is calling you a rez **** is mistaken about the meaning of a rez ****. Er hem, for the record, A rez **** is someone who doesn't drop/build anything, then goes fade or onos, and then dies because they suck. I have no problem with early fades that get kills, I think they are necessary but stick to what you know.
  • BuggyBuggy Join Date: 2003-11-08 Member: 22400Members, Constellation
    I play on a 9v9 server, which makes it tedious to play alien, certainly early-game. Without gorges, I usually see the marine domination early game, leading in a 6v3 or so RT situation. Now, if you add about 3 to 4 perm-gorges, your early game just got a whole lot better. Really. Theyre great.
  • SaltzBadSaltzBad Join Date: 2004-02-23 Member: 26833Members
    "Oooh, sarcasm detector. Thats <i>really</i> useful."
  • ssjyodassjyoda Join Date: 2002-03-05 Member: 274Members, Squad Five Blue
    i usually drop 1 rt, and still manage to fade within 4 minutes... and yet im called a horder.

    Does everyone think that everyone on the team should drop something? Often I find ppl screaming if im not a gorge in the first 10 seconds, one server that kicked ppl for it. I understand ppl should help out, but if u already have 4 gorges, ya dont need a 5th. Need to keep an offensive so the rines dont get to the stuff dropped by the gorges... One of the most frustrating things on servers nowadays.
  • Norml_E_HighNorml_E_High Join Date: 2003-03-30 Member: 15055Members
    You don't NEED 5 gorges, but you need the resource towers. Typically when people are saying drop RTs at the beginning, they are saying drop it, build it, then suicide or go back to skulk. Not stay gorge. What res **** don't realize is they would get to fade about the same time if they all dropped RTs instead of doing nothing and not being much of a benefit to the team. Those people need to at the least learn not to start bitching because they don't have 3 DC or a Hive or some crap when they haven't done a damn thing for their team, and no, killing marines doesnt count unless you are single handedly killing every marine and doing everything. In which case you should have enough res to drop 3 DC and go fade.
  • panda_de_malheureuxpanda_de_malheureux Join Date: 2003-12-26 Member: 24775Members
    logic also works, if its 7 minutes into the game and you have an onos/fade but no second hive.. ding ding ding ding ding we have a Res ****!, otherwise its for the good of the team.
  • RyoOhkiRyoOhki Join Date: 2003-01-26 Member: 12789Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I was under the impression that a res horder was someone who horded up res to go fade or more often onos as fast as possible, not building anything for the team. I have no idea how you could be called a res horder if you were a gorge unless you have built absolutly nothing... In which case you are a terrible gorge.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Perhaps you misunderstand. Myself and other dedicated gorges have been called res horders at times by people who simply don't take the time to check what our class is and why our score is high. Often they're branding the whole team as res horders and don't stop to think about how exactly those rts, dcs, mcs and hives got built. My point at the start was that it's not too much trouble to take a second or two and make sure that the person you're about to call a res horder is, in fact, a noob who never temped for res and whines and whines and whines about how he's only got 2 dcs and dies in 3 seconds as an onos anyway, as opposed to a gorge who's built half the structures on the map.
  • littlewildlittlewild Join Date: 2002-11-20 Member: 9467Members
    I fail to see the association between a gorge and res whoring. If you are a perm gorge and if you are any good, you should never have more than 40 res (to build a hive).

    If you are a gorge and you have more than 40 res, then you are rightly labelled as a res hoarder.
  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members
    Well then, congradulations, you have succeeded in getting upset at the stupidity of someone who can't do simple subtraction (Score - Kills = building pts). Not something I'd really worry about man.

    And SaltzBad, you should write another version of that song in your signature, but for aliens. And maybe get someone who can sing gooder...j/k <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> .
  • DaxxDaxx Join Date: 2002-04-16 Member: 460Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    <!--QuoteBegin-Ryo-Ohki+May 23 2004, 09:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ryo-Ohki @ May 23 2004, 09:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    Perhaps you misunderstand. Myself and other dedicated gorges have been called res horders at times by people who simply don't take the time to check what our class is and why our score is high. Often they're branding the whole team as res horders and don't stop to think about how exactly those rts, dcs, mcs and hives got built. My point at the start was that it's not too much trouble to take a second or two and make sure that the person you're about to call a res horder is, in fact, a noob who never temped for res and whines and whines and whines about how he's only got 2 dcs and dies in 3 seconds as an onos anyway, as opposed to a gorge who's built half the structures on the map. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Unfortunatly Ryo the people who are calling you a res **** for having a high score from being gorge are such complete and utter smacktards that no amount of education can help them. Generally, these people wear drool aprons, wear overalls and have names like Billy Bob Ray.

    Ingnoring them is generally the best policy. If the server is full of them, leave and let them inbreed in ignorance.
  • SkySky Join Date: 2004-04-23 Member: 28131Members
    edited May 2004
    Yeah, what Daxx said.
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