My Favorite G4y Stereotype
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one of the funniest things about the g4y stereotype is the depiction and suggestion by the straight or homophobic masses of lesbians and g4ys being 24/7 boning machines, expending vats of K-Y jelly and buying out sex shops for dildos all the time..
it kinda makes me happy that homophobes are subconsciously jealous of the imaginary lifestyles of happy, hedonistic nympho homosexuals.
what do you guys thing?
it kinda makes me happy that homophobes are subconsciously jealous of the imaginary lifestyles of happy, hedonistic nympho homosexuals.
what do you guys thing?
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Second of all. I'm not exactly sure where that stereotyped roused from but its certainly not true. However one could argue that infact stereotypes wouldn't exist if a grain of truth was present.
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it kinda makes me happy that homophobes are subconsciously jealous of the imaginary lifestyles of happy, hedonistic nympho homosexuals.
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If that is the common conception, and I cant say I ever saw it like that, Queer as Folk and various other movies and programs do nothing to try and dispell that myth...
And for crying out loud - enough with the homophobes comment. NO ONE IS FRIGHTENED - so stop trying to make out that anyone who opposes homosexuality are just silly, spinal column reactionairy "scared of what is different" idiots. I would doubtless come under your homophobe banner, yet I have multiple friends who are ****, including one co-worker with whom I spend the majority of my day.
Still - good to see the spirit of the Middle Ages Catholic church is still at work in the population - the ahahahha I'm so right everyone else is stupid/wrong and should change etc etc
bah
I'm not saying that all homosexuals are like this, but I would say that a good number do, it's not that uncommon.
all of the following responses should be read as literal and not sarcastic statements.
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that's because they're not all run by and worked on and acted in by *** only.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And for crying out loud - enough with the homophobes comment. NO ONE IS FRIGHTENED<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
phobe technically means scared. sic technically means thus. habeas corpus technically means "you may have the body".
you don't have to take things so literally. if i'm told that i'm being an arsehole, i don't assume that i'm acting like an anus. i assume that i'm not being very nice. <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> - so stop trying to make out that anyone who opposes homosexuality are just silly, spinal column reactionairy "scared of what is different" idiots.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> i don't know what spinal column reactionary means, but i'm not really trying to "make out" anything.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I would doubtless come under your homophobe banner, yet I have multiple friends who are ****, including one co-worker with whom I spend the majority of my day.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
i'm confused. by this are you saying that
a) you are tolerant of homosexuals, but are a "homophobe", or, barring that term, are opposed to homosexuality, or
b) "homophobes" (or people who are opposed to homosexuality) usually do not associate with homosexuals
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Still - good to see the spirit of the Middle Ages Catholic church is still at work in the population - the ahahahha I'm so right everyone else is stupid/wrong and should change etc etc
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that part i just don't get. the middle ages catholics didn't like the homosexuals very much either.
The boning machines one is funny too, but only cuz I wish it was true.
Remember, the only genuine difference between a hetrosexual, a homosexual and a bisexual is who they're attracted to. Beyond that you're pretty much playing with stereotypes and wild generalisations ^^
<b>edit:</b> oop, typed hetro twice instead of including homo =s
And i really fail to see why everyone classes homosexuals and hetresexuals in different groups. Is an even smaller difference than black and white people.
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Ok. Most of these statistics are trying to necessarily to say that all homosexuals are sex machines, but my objective is to say that it is much more prevalent among homosexuals then heterosexuals. Not to say that heterosexuals don't ever have orgies, aren't monogamous or any of the above, but that homosexuals have a <i>greater chance</i> of it. In essence, the homosexual stereotype of them having hundreds of partners in a lifetime is in fact veritable.
<i>Sources were cited because of statistics, not because I'm trying to make any statement about homosexuality, Sources also source their statistics on their webpage</i>
<i>Bold emphasis is my own.</i>
<i>Any censored words refer to the homosexual synonym, not any profanity.</i>
(<a href='http://www.evangelicaloutpost.com/archives/000418.html' target='_blank'>Source</a>)
Few "****" relationships last longer than two years, with many homosexual men reporting hundreds of lifetime partners. Source: Pollack, M. " Male Homosexuality," in Western Sexuality: Practice and Precept in Past and Present Times, ed. P. Aries and A.Bejin, pp. 40-61, cited by Joseph Nicolosi in Reparative Therapy of Male Homosexuality (Northvale, N.J., Jason Aronsons Inc., 1991), pp.124-25.
50% of homosexual men over the age of 30, and 75% of homosexual men over the age of forty, experienced no relationships that lasted more than one year. Source: M. T. Saghir and E. Robins, Male and Female Homosexuality: A Comprehensive Investigation (Baltimore: Williams Wilkins, 1973), pp. 56-57.
In 1978, a study done by two homosexual doctors revealed staggering statistics. Of 685 homosexual men, 589 (83%) had 50+ partners in their lifetime, 497 (73%) had 100+, 394 (58%) had 250+, 284 (41%) had 500+, 182 exceeded 1000 partners, an astonishing 26%. <b>And 79% noted that over half their sexual contacts were total strangers.</b> Source: Bell, A.P. and Wienberg, M.S. " Homosexualities: A Study of Diversity Among Men and Women " (New York: Simon & Schuster, 1978.)
Another large survey found that only 7 % of male homosexuals had been in a relationship that had lasted more than ten years. Source: K. Jay and A. Young, The **** Report, (New York: Summit, 1979), pp. 339-40.
Homosexual author Seymour Kleinberg: "The prodigiousness of sex really depends deeply on change, and promiscuity is the easiest kind of change for **** men." Source: Seymour Klienberg, Alienated Affections (NY: St. Martin's Press, 1980), p. 171.
<b>In a 6-month long daily sexual diary, **** men were averaging somewhere around 110 different sex partners per year.</b> Source: Corey, L. and Holmes, K.K., " Sexual transmission of Hepatitis A in homosexual men," New England Journal of Medicine, 1980; Vol. 302, pp. 435-38.
<b>A 1981 study found that only 2% of homosexual could be classified as monogamous or even semi monogamous (having ten or fewer lifetime sexual partners)</b>. Source: Bell, A.P., Weinberg, M.S., Hammersmith, S.E., Sexual Preference, 1981, pp.308-9.
Extreme promiscuity has in fact been a common occurrence among homosexual males for a long time. Back in 1982, homosexual author Dennis Altman even admitted: " now there is a move toward claiming that this (promiscuity) is part of a different, perhaps even superior, way of managing sexual relationships... (t) he assumption that it is desirable to have frequent and varied sex partners is increasingly seen as a positive part of **** life style." Source: Dennis Altman, " The Homosexualization of America, The Americanization of the Homosexual, (NY: St. Martin's Press, 1982) pp. 16-7.
According to the American Psychological Association, after the AIDS epidemic the average number of male homosexual partners only dropped from 70 to 50 per year. Source: Sally Ann Stewart, " AIDS Aftermath: Fewer Sex Partners among **** Men," USA Today, 21 November 1984.
The 1984 book the " **** Couple " was written by a psychiatrist and psychologist (who happened to be a homosexual couple), and they hoped to dispel the myth that "****" couples lacked stability and long-term relationships. Rather than eliminate the myth, their research confirmed it. After much searching, they were able to locate only 156 couples in lasting relationships. The study also revealed that only 7 couples had actually maintained sexual fidelity and none of the seven had been together more than 5 years.
A Los Angeles study conducted in the late 1980s found that male homosexuals averaged over 20 partners per year. Source: L. Linn et al., " Recent Sexual Behaviors Among Homosexual Men Seeking Primary Medical Care," Archives of Internal Medicine 149 (December 1989): pp. 2685-90.
Two homosexual icons, Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen, wrote this about male homosexuality: " **** men aren't very good at having and holding lovers...(because) **** men tire of their partners (sexually) more rapidly than straight men." And according to them, the average homosexual male first "seeks (sexual) novelty in partners, rather than practices, and becomes massively promiscuous; (but) eventually, all bodies become boring, and only new practices will thrill. " The cheating ratio of 'married' [committed] **** males, given enough time, approaches 100%." Source: Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen," After the Ball," (NY: Doubleday, 1989) pp. 304-320.
In Spain, the average homosexual sexual encounters for men were 42 per year in 1989. Source: Rodriguez-Pichardo, A., et al " Sexually transmitted diseases in homosexual males in Seville, Spain," Genitourin Med, 1990; Vol. 66, pp. 423-27.
"****" monogamous relationships are rarely faithful. "Monogamous" seems to imply some primary emotional commitment, while causal sex continues on the side. Source: Con nell, RW. Crawford, J., Dowsett, GW., Kippax, S., Sinnott, V., Rodden, P., Berg, R., Baxter, D., Waston, L., " Danger and context: unsafe anal sexual practice among homosexual and bisexual men in the AIDS crisis," Australian and New Zealand Journal of Sociology (1990 ) 26: pp.187-208.
A three-year study in Boston found that 77% of 481 male subjects had had more than 10 partners in the previous 5 years, 34% more than 50 partners in the previous 5 years. Source: G. R. Seage III et al., " The Relation Between Nitrite Inhalants, Unprotected Anal Intercourse and the Risk of Immunodeficiency Virus Infection," American Journal of Epidemiology 135 (January 1, 1992), p. 5.
Between 17% to 54% of "****" men continue to practice high-risk sex post-AIDS, suggesting an addictive drive. Source: Whitehead, NE., Whitehead, Bk., Submission to the Justice and Law Reform Select Committee on the Human rights Commission Amendment Bill 1992 ( Lower Hutt, New Zealand: Lion of Judah Ministries, 1993 ).
The Washington Post reported in 1993 that despite all the AIDS education for almost a decade " increasing numbers of **** men...are lapsing into previous patterns of unsafe sexual practices...” Source: Andriote, John-Manuel, " **** Men and Unsafe Sex: Bridging a Gap Between Knowledge and Behavior," The Washington Post, August 10, 1993, Z14.
Homosexuals still have 3-4 times as many partners as heterosexuals. Source: Laumann, FO. Gagnon, JH., Micheal, RT., Micheals, S., The Social Organization of Sexuality ( Chicago: university of Chicago Press, 1994 ).
The national **** and lesbian publication, The Advocate, reported " of 600 **** and bisexual male Milwaukeeans, 73% said they've had sex in the past six months with someone they never saw again." Source: The Advocate, June 14, 1994, p.16.
A survey of 239 **** and bisexual males between the ages of 13 to 21 found that despite accurately understanding the odds of HIV infection, 63% participated in behavior that put them at "extreme high risk." Source: Ramafedi, Gary, " Predictors of Unprotected Intercourse Among **** and Bisexual Youth: Knowledge, Beliefs and Behavior," Pediatrics, August 1994, vol. 94, no.2, pp. 163-168. Cf., Lemp, George F., et al, " Seroprevalence of HIV and Risk Behaviors Among Young Homosexual and Bisexual Men - The San Francisco/Berkeley Young Men's survey," Journal of the American Medical Association, August 10, 1994, vol. 272, no.6, pp.449-454.
Another story in The Advocate reported that although 71% of homosexual men claimed that they prefer long-term "monogamous" relationships, only 33% live with a partner, only 11% have a "primary male partner, only 8% are dating one particular person, with 87% involved in multiple dating. Source: Lever, Janet. " The 1994 Advocate Survey of Sexuality and Relationships: The Men," The Advocate, August 23, 1994.
A Los Angeles Study of young homosexual males in 1996 revealed that about 50% of those between 15 to 22 years of age had engaged in " high-risk, unprotected sex" during the previous 6 months. Source: Bettina Boxall, " Young *** stray from Safe Sex, New Data Shows," Los Angeles Times, September 3, 1996, sec. A.
" The facts, enough **** men are once again having enough unsafe sex that the rates of HIV infection, gonorrhea and syphilis are returning to frightening heights. " Source: Kramer, Larry, " **** Culture, Redefined," The New York Times, December 12, 1997, op ed page.
An upscale homosexual men's magazine, Genre, surveyed 1037 readers in October of 1996. Here are some of the results: " One of the single largest groups in the **** community still experiencing an increase of HIV are supposedly monogamous couples." <b>52% have had sex in a public park.</b> 45% have participated in three-way sex. 42% have had sex with more than 100 different partners and 16% claim between 40 to 100 partners. Source: LaBarbera, Peter, " Survey finds 40% of **** men have had more than 40 Sex Partners," The Lambda Report, January-February 1998, p.20.
Some men who have sex with men (MSM) may be recruiting sex partners in anonymous venues more often now than in the recent past. Source: Sowell Rl, Lindsey C, Spicer T, "Group sex in **** men: its meaning and HIV prevention implications," Journal of Association of Nurses AIDS Care, 1998; Vol. 9: pp.59-71.
Studies consistently show age differences in the sexual activities of **** men. Younger men have more partners, a greater frequency of sex, "cruise" more and have shorter relationships than older men, while older men are more likely to pay for sex. Source: Gilmore, MR, Schwartz, P, Civic, D, (1999), The social context of sexuality: The case of the United States, In KK Holmes, PA Mardh, PF Sparling, SM Lemon, WE Stamm, P Piot, & JN Wasserhelt (Eds.), Sexually Transmitted Diseases, 23 (2). pp.109-114.
When STDs are introduced into the **** community, the size of the subsequent outbreak depends on the sexual mixing patterns of the **** community, the numbers of sex partners, concurrency of sexual partnerships, condom use, and frequency of partner change which at times can be great in the **** community. Source: Aral SQ., " sexual network patterns as determinants of STD rates: paradigm shift in behavioral Epidemiology of STDs made visible," Sexually Transmitted Diseases, Vol. 26; pp. 262-264.
Judy Wieder, editor in chief of The Advocate, wrote that according to Simon LeVay, a homosexual scientist who has researched homosexuality extensively - (males) are much more interested in causal sex and non monogamous relationships. In the same article, Gretchen Lee, managing editor of Curve, was quoted that one of her female staff writers wanted to "even cruise for sex as **** men do." Source: " Do **** men and lesbians get along?” XY Magazine, July 1999, no.20, p. 77.
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Dr. Martin Dannecker, a homosexual German Sexologist, studied 900 homosexuals in 1991 living in "steady relationships". 83% of males had numerous sexual encounters outside their partnerships over a one-year period. Dr. Dannecker observed "clear differences in the manner of sexual gratification" between single and non-single **** men that were the reverse of what he expected. Of the homosexual men in steady relationships, he wrote, " the average number of homosexual contacts per person was 115 in the past year." In Contrast, single **** men had only 45 sexual contacts. Source: Wittmeier, Carmen, " Now they know the other half," Alberta Report, 1999 06 07, p.27.
Men's Health magazine reported in June that (heterosexual) men, on average, have 12.4 sex partners (in a lifetime), and have sex 1.5 times per week. These numbers may seem low to many **** men, who generally exercise greater sexual freedom than their heterosexual counterparts. But for a person who is sexually compulsive these numbers may seem shockingly low. Frequent sexual encounters may be accompanied by feelings or guilt and minor consequences. Ken (a **** man) suffers from Sexual Addiction, "It's just so much easier to have anonymous sex with someone I don't know. There is this buildup of excitement and a sexual rush, hoping the other guy will notice me...want me. After we connect, I just lose myself in the sex. It's really not about knowing the guy. I rarely even want to know his name. When it's over, I can simply walk away, " said Ken. Among the problems caused by sexual addiction in "****" men is one of the most common of contracting frequent and/or multiple sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) ( i.e., HIV, syphilis, chlamydia, gonorrhea, etc.). Source: Shaun Bourget, M.A., M.F.T., " Sexual Addition: On a Road to Nowhere," GayHealth.com; July 26,2000.
(<a href='http://www.inoohr.org/homosexualstatistics.htm' target='_blank'>Source</a>)
One study reports 70% of homosexuals admitting to having sex only one time with over 50% of their partners (3).
One study reports that the average homosexual has between 20 and 106 partners per year (6).
The average heterosexual has 8 partners in a lifetime.
<b>Many homosexual sexual encounters occur while drunk, high on drugs, or in an orgy setting</b> (7).
Of homosexuals questioned in one study reports that 43% admit to 500 or more partners in a lifetime, 28% admit to 1000 or more in a lifetime, and of these people, 79% say that half of those partners are total strangers, and 70% of those sexual contacts are one night stands (or, as one homosexual admits in the film "The Castro", one minute stands) (3). Also, it is a favorite past-time of many homosexuals to go to "cruisy areas" and have anonymous sex.
<b>41% of homosexuals say they have had sex with strangers in public restrooms, 60% say they have had sex with strangers in bathhouses</b>, and 64% of these encounters have involved the use of illegal drugs (8).
(<a href='http://volokh.com/2003_05_18_volokh_archive.html' target='_blank'>Source</a>)
From a testimony of a bi-sexual.
"I'm a bisexual man, who in the 1970s and 80s regularly visited **** bathhouses. I've had thousands of partners. My average was several in a visit, and I visited an average of about three times per week. I don't have HIV probably because I only give and receive fellatio with men. Anyway, I know from my experiences and those of others that many **** and bi men have innumerable partners. This is mere anecdotal evidence, and of course, I know it won't suffice to prove it to others. But, I know.
While I do agree that most **** or bi men are not as promiscuous as I was. I'd like to add that I do believe that there was a very significant reduction in promiscuity due to the advent of HIV. Moreover, as far as the whole issue of the number of sex partners **** or bi men have in contrast to heterosexual men, I have the bi perspective to share with you. When I wanted to sleep with women, I (usually) had to invest a fair amount of effort in charming them into lovemaking. (Dinner, movies, flowers, romance, etc.) When I wanted to receive or give fellatio, all I had to do was visit a bathhouse. At that time, on a Friday or Saturday night there would be, at any one time, more than two hundred men present, and I could usually find someone with whom there was mutual attraction within a short time. (Note: At most I wore a towel, and oftentimes just around my neck!) Moreover, there were very dark orgy rooms where men would have sex without seeing one another, as well as hot tubs, saunas, showers, and a swimming pool, as well as private rooms. (I never went for dark orgy rooms at all, I have to see whom I'm with.) By the way, I can't tell you the number of times I saw, (or ran into) allegedly straight men, (whom I recognized) many of whom were married or had girlfriends, not to mention the ones I didn't know who had wedding rings, etc. Some of them were there to be serviced, and consequently considered themselves to be totally straight.
Anyway, my whole point is that it was far, far easier for me, a tall, slim, good looking guy, to find male sex partners than female ones. The amazing ease with which a man may find sex with other men, undoubtedly contributes to the higher numbers of partners of **** and bi men. By the way, I usually slept with only three or four women per year, compared to three or four men in one night at a bathhouse. Even today, if one has AOL, for example, and one goes to the "member" chat rooms, one will see a vast number of "M4M" rooms. Within minutes upon entering a chat room one may instant message with other men who are only interested in exchanging photos and finding a quick encounter with a good looking well-built guy. I'm keenly aware that all of this is anecdotal but having spent years having sex with thousands of men I think I have some understanding and insight into this matter."
That's not to say that everything stated there is necessarily false, but it seems very suspect coming from sources that are definitely <i>not</i> friendly with homosexuality.
Quote from me earlier. In reference to these random sexual encounters.
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From Nem0
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Well. Some of those statistics are from the 90s and from 2000. Is it acceptable to think that non-monogamous sex happens more often with homosexuals then heterosexuals ?
Keep in mind too KFS, alot of those were from medical journals. Just because a group of issue oriented people use that as evidence doesn't invalidate it, I don't think it they should be immediately suspect, although I certainly understand what you mean.
Note : A quick search on Mayoclinic.com revealed that the HIV has been around from at least 1983. If you want to, ignore all research before 1983.
Then on the other hand a stereotype wouldn't exist if there wasn't a grain of truth, as I said eariler
It is true that homosexual males are more likely to engage in orgies than heterosexual men. The reason is quite simple: it's an act that holds more appeal for a man than for a woman. Look at pornography and the like; quite a lot of the stuff depicted involves anonymous partners and group sex. Common male fantasies involve exactly this. From a genetic point of view, a male is more inclined to spread their genes across many partners, and this genetic urge reflects upon their sexual nature. Thus in male on male situations, the likelihood of orgies are greater as the idea is attractive to both partners.
Women on the only hand are (generally speaking) not interested in orgy style situations. This is not to say that they are not open to the idea of multiple partners however. In orgies many of the people are strangers and the only goal is sexual pleasure. Women tend to prefer security as from a genetic perspective it's in their best interests to have a steady partner who will assist in child-rearing. Lesbians tend to be very devoted and unlikely to stray. This is simply the logical end result of female sexuality.
A woman will sometimes, even often, try to find another partner without the partner male knowing (this is true elsewhere in the animal kingdom as well). A good father isn't always a good mate. Stable, sensible males arn't always the most attractive and as such a female will want to have her cake and eat it too: a stable man to help rear the children but the genes for the children will come from another male. Hopefully the genes of the more attractive male will pass to the female's children and produce offspring more likely to spread their genes. This however is quite differant to an orgy situation.
This is not to say that heterosexuals don't engage in orgies, or that all homosexual men are sex maniacs or that all lesbians are faithful to the death. I'm simply saying that certain sexual acts are more likely to occur in certain situtations. I would not go quite as far as Sirius's statistics would seem to indicate; I simply believe that a homosexual man is more likely to engage in an orgy based upon genetic influences upon male sexuality. Note that I also don't think there's anything wrong with orgies or homosexuality. Sex is great fun and if people want to have multiple partners then I say go for it (unless they're in a steady relationship but that's me opposed to cheating, not group sex). In any case, a homosexual man does not engage in group sex because he's a bad person or because he's wicked; he does it because it's a common male fantasy that women are not usually open to.