LikuI, am the Somberlain.Join Date: 2003-01-10Member: 12128Members
edited June 2004
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->First there is plenty of blood, maybe you need to watch it again, it pours all over the floor, drips from his head. I don't know if you?re a big Kill Bill fan or what but contrary to popular belief blood does not squirt 4 feet in the air from decapitated bodies. There is plenty of blood if you look for it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> If I remember correctly, the heart pumps blood as far as 30 feet. Yeah, of course it'd still pour out of the body, but there's no blood pumping out like the heart would do. Have you seen the Politician video? When he dies blood pours from his nose and mouth, and that was a bullet hole, not a decapitation. <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Perhaps because he was tied and bound? Maybe he had already accpected his death? Maybe he thought by moving he would cause them to slip and cause him more pain? God only knows what was running through his mind during those last few minutes. Lets not forget this is REAL not Hollywood, he?s not going to get up, untie himself do a back filp and shoot all the terrorists. We don't see real people die often therefore how can we judge why they don't do what we think they should do, "instinctively" or not.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> No, being that people will move at just a pinch. I don't think anyone could remain still whilst a blade's going through their neck. <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Air Jordans huh? You must have the best eyes in the world? Can I assume you mean the country not the basketball player? They didn't look to clean to me. Plus do a search for pictures of Iraqis you can see them in white shoes. This is meaningless.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I bet anyone that's obsessed with the Jordon series of shoe could easily pick out those shoes in the video. <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Perhaps for intimidation, they knew all of America would see this tape, the hooded anonymous killers<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I don't see how the video's anonymous when they've signed the video. <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It looks to me as if it was all on one page, and some of it he added on his own.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Watch it again, there's at least 2 pages and he flips them over and over to the same side he's already been on.
As he was obviously alive at one point in the video perhaps the terrorists killed him off camera and then cut off his head on camera. This would account for the stillness and lack of "spray" while still acknowledging the obvious fact that terrorists did kill Mr. Berg. I would probably have more understanding if I watched the video but I'm a bit too squeamish for such a thing.
According to this the heart exerts the same amount of force per pump as a good one handed sqease on a tennis ball. Considering that Berg's heart would pump the blood out of the very large arteries in the neck blood would not spurt very far. If an adult therefore squeased a tennis ball sized baster with a very small hole it might go maybe 30 feet at the correct angle, but through the arteries as large of a nexk this could not be so.
Liku, you picked out very specific things that could be argued for ether side and never get anywhere, due to any number of variables.
Why don't you tell me why none of the terrorists groups have come out and said that the Berg video is fake? This would clearly be to their advantage, since the "evidence" that it is fake is so convincing to some people.
Also explain the fact that these decapitations have happened twice more now, do you care to question the authenticity of these as well?
It all adds up, IMO, any attempts to argue that it is false are pointless and seem to me like people can't seem to swallow the fact that they were wrong and the government is not killing it's own citizens to gain...sympathy...anger? I really can't see what they would get from doing that.
<!--QuoteBegin-reasa+Jun 23 2004, 04:42 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (reasa @ Jun 23 2004, 04:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It all adds up, IMO, any attempts to argue that it is false are pointless <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Howcome? I see good arguments coming from both sides. I think you can't just close the case by saying "it's pointless, resistance is futile" <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
No one ever said anything about this one: <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->-I think Berg was killed before the prison scandal broke lose. Howcome the terrorists killed Berg in return for the torture of the prisoners, if it hadn't even come out?(So Berg first died, prison scandal happened and Bergs death was used afterwards to gather sympathy(with a Berg look a like))
<i>me and a friend were discussing recent news events and trying to piece together the information presented to us, thought you might want to look into this further, they said in the news that nicholas berg was killed 2 weeks ago (i think), however in the video the culprits who killed him said they were "avenging iraqi prisoner abuse" but those photos weren't released until last week, so my question is how is that even a possible motive if he was killed prior to the abuse photos being released??</i><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Also, could you explain to me how two more beheadings means the first one had to be done by terrorists too? I don't see it prooving anything but some other terrorist factions getting ideas after watching tv.
Seems to me the terrorists have something to gain by purposely puting out a fakeish looking video with many inconsistencies. It would cause some to question it's origin and maybe even suspect the US of staging it, which would clearly benefit them.
They're not exactly stupid people. The only real thing that I question is that why would they do this right after the US is being blamed for the prisoner abuse? This makes the war that much more "just" for people, and it takes the heat off us.
<!--QuoteBegin-Dread+Jun 23 2004, 05:02 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Dread @ Jun 23 2004, 05:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Howcome? I see good arguments coming from both sides. I think you can't just close the case by saying "it's pointless, resistance is futile" <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
No one ever said anything about this one: <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->-I think Berg was killed before the prison scandal broke lose. Howcome the terrorists killed Berg in return for the torture of the prisoners, if it hadn't even come out?(So Berg first died, prison scandal happened and Bergs death was used afterwards to gather sympathy(with a Berg look a like))
<i>me and a friend were discussing recent news events and trying to piece together the information presented to us, thought you might want to look into this further, they said in the news that nicholas berg was killed 2 weeks ago (i think), however in the video the culprits who killed him said they were "avenging iraqi prisoner abuse" but those photos weren't released until last week, so my question is how is that even a possible motive if he was killed prior to the abuse photos being released??</i><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Also, could you explain to me how two more beheadings means the first one had to be done by terrorists too? I don't see it prooving anything but some other terrorist factions getting ideas after watching tv. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Personally I don't think the arguments coming from the other side are that good, they seem to far fetched to me.
Would you find proof of the exact dates for me please, before I say anything about your quote.
I really doubt the terrorists were sitting around watching CNN and they saw this and said "hmmm good idea, lets go try it" that?s just ridiculous. Like I said about 3 times now, why haven?t any terrorist groups come out saying the Berg tape is fake, or wasn?t them? Because it isn?t, and it was.
They took him in jail somewhere around march 24th and was held there for about two weeks and sometime after that he was beheaded. Does anyone have any info on when the first torture pictures came out? I read <a href='http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/iraqis_tortured/' target='_blank'>here</a> that this was around April 29th. <!--QuoteBegin-On 29 April 2004+ 60 Minutes II on CBS--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (On 29 April 2004 @ 60 Minutes II on CBS)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Last month, the U.S. Army announced 17 soldiers in Iraq, including a brigadier general, had been removed from duty after charges of mistreating Iraqi prisoners. <b>But the details of what happened have been kept secret, until now.</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What about this, someones lying here: <a href='http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/13/berg.friends/index.html' target='_blank'>Bergs friends and family</a> say that Berg was in US custody, but surprise surprise, <a href='http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20040513_311.html' target='_blank'>Iraqs police</a> and <a href='http://www.9news.com/acm_news.aspx?OSGNAME=KUSA&IKOBJECTID=79adc9eb-0abe-421a-0034-59b8994a33c0&TEMPLATEID=0c76dce6-ac1f-02d8-0047-c589c01ca7bf' target='_blank'>US spokesman</a> says otherwise.
Sorry that I have to leave in the middle of discussion. I'll be back around sunday.
Well whether or not he was detained by American/Iraqi authorities is not important, in fact we know now that it would have been best if they kept him detained for longer.
But what is important is this:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->FBI agents "encouraged him to accept CPA's offer to facilitate his safe passage out of Iraq. Mr. Berg refused these offers," the FBI said in a statement.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Obviously, if in fact he was in US custody, when he was released he declined offers for what I'm assuming would have been escorts out of the country. They can't force him to leave, or at least they didn't, so he became another civilian who has to look out for himself in Iraq. Obviously he was picked up shortly after, which makes me wonder if their isn't a leak within the Iraqi police who might have tipped of the terrorists to get him knowing full well that it could cause a controversy.
To add to reasa's point, the American killed in Saudi Arabia was also put in a US prison jumpsuit I believe. Apparently those things aint too hard to come by.
Should anyone really be surprised by the mass editing on the tape? You try taping a statement about how you're going to hack someones head off without the person below trying to throw you off your stride. What if halfway through berg started wriggling for the door?
As for hoods - which self respecting terrorist wouldnt wear a hood? You may tell everyone your name, but why give the Americans your latest photo id? They dont want their mug plastered all over the world, so next time they are in another country bringing all the little boys and girls a special cocktail of uranium and tnt someone can recognise them.
The only thing that really ripped the wind out of those propounding these conspiracy theories is the fact that more video's of Americans being executed have been released. I'd love to see how much of the above criticism of the Berg tape applies to these other tapes.
I'm sure its in those links you provided - but proof he was beheaded in between those two dates. I know you're spot on with the 24 march date, but I havent seen any news site reporting that he was beheaded that quickly after release.
Is it not possible he was taken captive, then executed at a more timely date?
This quote I took from a post you made earlier
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I think Berg was killed before the prison scandal broke lose. Howcome the terrorists killed Berg in return for the torture of the prisoners, if it hadn't even come out?(So Berg first died, prison scandal happened and Bergs death was used afterwards to gather sympathy(with a Berg look a like)) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He didnt actually prove that Berg was killed before the scandal broke, he just stated what he thought, and then leapt into the deep end.
<!--QuoteBegin-Marine01+Jun 26 2004, 02:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marine01 @ Jun 26 2004, 02:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'm sure its in those links you provided - but proof he was beheaded in between those two dates. I know you're spot on with the 24 march date, but I havent seen any news site reporting that he was beheaded that quickly after release.
Is it not possible he was taken captive, then executed at a more timely date? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So they captured him because he was an american, then heard about the prison torture and got a good excuse to kill him? I guess it's possible.
First and foremost I would like to know why do they keep lying that they never kept Berg in prison.
Second I find it very interesting that he actually turned down the alleged help from the FBI to get back home, considering he all the time said(in e-mails apparently) that he just wanted to go home. <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The Bergs last heard from their son April 9, when he said he would come home by way of Jordan.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <a href='http://www.rense.com/general52/dmne.htm' target='_blank'>Linky</a>
Well, on the positive, at least this will be hard to link to the Zionist conspiracy, given that he was a Jew himself <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
You nearly made a believer out of me their for a second, until I released that solid evidence over his death timeframe was lacking. It all smells funny, but I'm still more than willing to give the Americans the benefit of the doubt. These terrorists do sick things we cant even begin to imagine - it wouldnt shock me in the least if they did this. The fact that there have now been two more beheadings makes serious criticism of the first video difficult to accept.
Is it possible that the Americans made the video - yes. Is it possible the Iraqi militants did - yes. My money goes on the militants. I cant seem to find a video on the Korean getting his head chopped off, but I suspect that when its released no one will do a complete and total fine tooth comb analysis of it to try and find flaws.
Sometimes you see stuff because it's there. Sometimes you see stuff because you WANT to find it there.
<!--QuoteBegin-Marine01+Jun 26 2004, 03:11 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marine01 @ Jun 26 2004, 03:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I cant seem to find a video on the Korean getting his head chopped off, but I suspect that when its released no one will do a complete and total fine tooth comb analysis of it to try and find flaws. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Haf, well I'm not trying to link this or 9/11 to jews so don't worry.
I've already used so much of time on this thing that if that video is found somewhere, I'm going to watch it. You can call me a brute, but I think I check it out and try to compare some details like how much blood is there, does the victim wriggle more than Berg etc.
Then again, my intraweb connection goes down in 3 days and I'm off to army so it might be that I'm not here to see it. At least the conservatist pro-Bush people will be having a bit easier time while I'm off <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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If I remember correctly, the heart pumps blood as far as 30 feet. Yeah, of course it'd still pour out of the body, but there's no blood pumping out like the heart would do. Have you seen the Politician video? When he dies blood pours from his nose and mouth, and that was a bullet hole, not a decapitation.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Perhaps because he was tied and bound? Maybe he had already accpected his death? Maybe he thought by moving he would cause them to slip and cause him more pain? God only knows what was running through his mind during those last few minutes. Lets not forget this is REAL not Hollywood, he?s not going to get up, untie himself do a back filp and shoot all the terrorists. We don't see real people die often therefore how can we judge why they don't do what we think they should do, "instinctively" or not.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, being that people will move at just a pinch. I don't think anyone could remain still whilst a blade's going through their neck.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Air Jordans huh? You must have the best eyes in the world? Can I assume you mean the country not the basketball player? They didn't look to clean to me. Plus do a search for pictures of Iraqis you can see them in white shoes. This is meaningless.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I bet anyone that's obsessed with the Jordon series of shoe could easily pick out those shoes in the video.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Perhaps for intimidation, they knew all of America would see this tape, the hooded anonymous killers<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't see how the video's anonymous when they've signed the video.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It looks to me as if it was all on one page, and some of it he added on his own.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Watch it again, there's at least 2 pages and he flips them over and over to the same side he's already been on.
According to this the heart exerts the same amount of force per pump as a good one handed sqease on a tennis ball. Considering that Berg's heart would pump the blood out of the very large arteries in the neck blood would not spurt very far. If an adult therefore squeased a tennis ball sized baster with a very small hole it might go maybe 30 feet at the correct angle, but through the arteries as large of a nexk this could not be so.
Why don't you tell me why none of the terrorists groups have come out and said that the Berg video is fake? This would clearly be to their advantage, since the "evidence" that it is fake is so convincing to some people.
Also explain the fact that these decapitations have happened twice more now, do you care to question the authenticity of these as well?
It all adds up, IMO, any attempts to argue that it is false are pointless and seem to me like people can't seem to swallow the fact that they were wrong and the government is not killing it's own citizens to gain...sympathy...anger?
I really can't see what they would get from doing that.
Howcome? I see good arguments coming from both sides. I think you can't just close the case by saying "it's pointless, resistance is futile" <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
No one ever said anything about this one:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->-I think Berg was killed before the prison scandal broke lose. Howcome the terrorists killed Berg in return for the torture of the prisoners, if it hadn't even come out?(So Berg first died, prison scandal happened and Bergs death was used afterwards to gather sympathy(with a Berg look a like))
<i>me and a friend were discussing recent news events and trying to piece together the information presented to us, thought you might want to look into this further, they said in the news that nicholas berg was killed 2 weeks ago (i think), however in the video the culprits who killed him said they were "avenging iraqi prisoner abuse" but those photos weren't released until last week, so my question is how is that even a possible motive if he was killed prior to the abuse photos being released??</i><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Also, could you explain to me how two more beheadings means the first one had to be done by terrorists too? I don't see it prooving anything but some other terrorist factions getting ideas after watching tv.
No one ever said anything about this one:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->-I think Berg was killed before the prison scandal broke lose. Howcome the terrorists killed Berg in return for the torture of the prisoners, if it hadn't even come out?(So Berg first died, prison scandal happened and Bergs death was used afterwards to gather sympathy(with a Berg look a like))
<i>me and a friend were discussing recent news events and trying to piece together the information presented to us, thought you might want to look into this further, they said in the news that nicholas berg was killed 2 weeks ago (i think), however in the video the culprits who killed him said they were "avenging iraqi prisoner abuse" but those photos weren't released until last week, so my question is how is that even a possible motive if he was killed prior to the abuse photos being released??</i><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Also, could you explain to me how two more beheadings means the first one had to be done by terrorists too? I don't see it prooving anything but some other terrorist factions getting ideas after watching tv. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Personally I don't think the arguments coming from the other side are that good, they seem to far fetched to me.
Would you find proof of the exact dates for me please, before I say anything about your quote.
I really doubt the terrorists were sitting around watching CNN and they saw this and said "hmmm good idea, lets go try it" that?s just ridiculous.
Like I said about 3 times now, why haven?t any terrorist groups come out saying the Berg tape is fake, or wasn?t them?
Because it isn?t, and it was.
<b>But the details of what happened have been kept secret, until now.</b><!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What about this, someones lying here: <a href='http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/13/berg.friends/index.html' target='_blank'>Bergs friends and family</a> say that Berg was in US custody, but surprise surprise, <a href='http://abcnews.go.com/wire/World/ap20040513_311.html' target='_blank'>Iraqs police</a> and <a href='http://www.9news.com/acm_news.aspx?OSGNAME=KUSA&IKOBJECTID=79adc9eb-0abe-421a-0034-59b8994a33c0&TEMPLATEID=0c76dce6-ac1f-02d8-0047-c589c01ca7bf' target='_blank'>US spokesman</a> says otherwise.
Sorry that I have to leave in the middle of discussion. I'll be back around sunday.
But what is important is this:
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->FBI agents "encouraged him to accept CPA's offer to facilitate his safe passage out of Iraq. Mr. Berg refused these offers," the FBI said in a statement.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Obviously, if in fact he was in US custody, when he was released he declined offers for what I'm assuming would have been escorts out of the country.
They can't force him to leave, or at least they didn't, so he became another civilian who has to look out for himself in Iraq.
Obviously he was picked up shortly after, which makes me wonder if their isn't a leak within the Iraqi police who might have tipped of the terrorists to get him knowing full well that it could cause a controversy.
Should anyone really be surprised by the mass editing on the tape? You try taping a statement about how you're going to hack someones head off without the person below trying to throw you off your stride. What if halfway through berg started wriggling for the door?
As for hoods - which self respecting terrorist wouldnt wear a hood? You may tell everyone your name, but why give the Americans your latest photo id? They dont want their mug plastered all over the world, so next time they are in another country bringing all the little boys and girls a special cocktail of uranium and tnt someone can recognise them.
The only thing that really ripped the wind out of those propounding these conspiracy theories is the fact that more video's of Americans being executed have been released. I'd love to see how much of the above criticism of the Berg tape applies to these other tapes.
Berg imprisoned(March 24th) ---- two weeks ---- Berg is released and beheaded soon after ---- another two weeks ---- torture pictures come out.
Errr, anything odd about this one?
Is it not possible he was taken captive, then executed at a more timely date?
This quote I took from a post you made earlier
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I think Berg was killed before the prison scandal broke lose. Howcome the terrorists killed Berg in return for the torture of the prisoners, if it hadn't even come out?(So Berg first died, prison scandal happened and Bergs death was used afterwards to gather sympathy(with a Berg look a like))
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
He didnt actually prove that Berg was killed before the scandal broke, he just stated what he thought, and then leapt into the deep end.
Is it not possible he was taken captive, then executed at a more timely date? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So they captured him because he was an american, then heard about the prison torture and got a good excuse to kill him? I guess it's possible.
First and foremost I would like to know why do they keep lying that they never kept Berg in prison.
Second I find it very interesting that he actually turned down the alleged help from the FBI to get back home, considering he all the time said(in e-mails apparently) that he just wanted to go home.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The Bergs last heard from their son April 9, when he said he would come home by way of Jordan.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<a href='http://www.rense.com/general52/dmne.htm' target='_blank'>Linky</a>
Edited for clarity.
You nearly made a believer out of me their for a second, until I released that solid evidence over his death timeframe was lacking. It all smells funny, but I'm still more than willing to give the Americans the benefit of the doubt. These terrorists do sick things we cant even begin to imagine - it wouldnt shock me in the least if they did this. The fact that there have now been two more beheadings makes serious criticism of the first video difficult to accept.
Is it possible that the Americans made the video - yes. Is it possible the Iraqi militants did - yes. My money goes on the militants. I cant seem to find a video on the Korean getting his head chopped off, but I suspect that when its released no one will do a complete and total fine tooth comb analysis of it to try and find flaws.
Sometimes you see stuff because it's there. Sometimes you see stuff because you WANT to find it there.
Haf, well I'm not trying to link this or 9/11 to jews so don't worry.
I've already used so much of time on this thing that if that video is found somewhere, I'm going to watch it. You can call me a brute, but I think I check it out and try to compare some details like how much blood is there, does the victim wriggle more than Berg etc.
Then again, my intraweb connection goes down in 3 days and I'm off to army so it might be that I'm not here to see it. At least the conservatist pro-Bush people will be having a bit easier time while I'm off <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->