<div class="IPBDescription">What do you know?</div> Please, put as much here as humanly possible about what you know about Afghanistan, ESPECIALLY what about 1979's Soviet's taking over invasion thingy.
I would shut up about the post count if I were you.
Anyway. The afgan-soviet war was exacly like americans vietnam , but this was not jungle, but desert mountains. Now that's something to remember folks.
<!--QuoteBegin-Nomble+May 6 2004, 11:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nomble @ May 6 2004, 11:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Now that's something to remember folks. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Except few people do. This is one of those unknown wars.
The Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan to aid a pro-sovietic (I'll beat anyone using the word 'communistic' in this context to a bloody pulp) revolt in Kabul - which can be taken as a cover to institute control in a country housing strong islamic-fundamentalistic movements that started to influence the Muslim communities in the bordering Soviet areas. As was to be expected, the Afghani official military couldn't hold out against what was the biggest standing army of its time, and the UN, while condemning the invasion as unprovoced in a resolution of the General Assembly, was incapable of following up with consequences due to the SUs veto in the Security Council.
Then, the CIA intervened. I'm not sure about the exact motivations behind the move by the American secret service as Afghanistans strategical importance was virtually neglible in the contemporary world theatre, so maybe it's safe to assume that they hoped for a similiarily 'devastating' effect on the domestic Soviet population as Vietnam had had on the American public opinion when they started supporting the most fanatic extremistical parties, which had not abandoned the fight against the atheistic and thus diabolical enemy with money, weapons, and training. The CIA co-created a number of control structures and fundamentalistic networks to organize and internationalize the resistance that was thus created and that drew fighters from all over the Muslim world into this guerillia war.
The resulting confrontation was remorseless, dirty, and highly devastating for the Soviet army. The Muahedjin used their superior knowledge of the terrain, their high sympathies within the Afghani populace which saw them as the by far lesser of two evils, their up-to-date equipment and know-how supplied by the CIA, and their own high and 'idealistic' motivation to lead a war of attrition that eventually ended in the retreat of the Soviet Union, which did however not experience a period of internal turmoil comparable to that of the American Vietnam era as the totalitarian Soviet regieme didn't allow the unrest to spread.
The war did not stop in the 'freed' Afghanistan. A constant civil war between different warlords and fanatical factions errupted and only came to a relative halt when the Taliban took over, although it has not even ended completely today.
As for the fundamentalistic command network built up by the CIA, it went rogue on its original founders, as was demonstrated by it leading an assassination of one of its co-founders, the Egyptian President. Nowadays, we know this network as Al Quaeda.
All in all pretty bleak, huh? As I said, this is off the top of my head with no support than a quick glance into the encyclopedia, so feel free to correct me.
<!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+May 6 2004, 12:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ May 6 2004, 12:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->{lots of interesting stuff...}
As for the fundamentalistic command network built up by the CIA, it went rogue on its original founders, as was demonstrated by it leading an assassination of one of its co-founders, the Egyptian President. Nowadays, we know this network as Al Quaeda.
<!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+May 6 2004, 12:29 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ May 6 2004, 12:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> OK, a few facts from the back of my head:
The Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan to aid a pro-sovietic (I'll beat anyone using the word 'communistic' in this context to a bloody pulp) revolt in Kabul - which can be taken as a cover to institute control in a country housing strong islamic-fundamentalistic movements that started to influence the Muslim communities in the bordering Soviet areas. As was to be expected, the Afghani official military couldn't hold out against what was the biggest standing army of its time, and the UN, while condemning the invasion as unprovoced in a resolution of the General Assembly, was incapable of following up with consequences due to the SUs veto in the Security Council.
Then, the CIA intervened. I'm not sure about the exact motivations behind the move by the American secret service as Afghanistans strategical importance was virtually neglible in the contemporary world theatre, so maybe it's safe to assume that they hoped for a similiarily 'devastating' effect on the domestic Soviet population as Vietnam had had on the American public opinion when they started supporting the most fanatic extremistical parties, which had not abandoned the fight against the atheistic and thus diabolical enemy with money, weapons, and training. The CIA co-created a number of control structures and fundamentalistic networks to organize and internationalize the resistance that was thus created and that drew fighters from all over the Muslim world into this guerillia war.
The resulting confrontation was remorseless, dirty, and highly devastating for the Soviet army. The Muahedjin used their superior knowledge of the terrain, their high sympathies within the Afghani populace which saw them as the by far lesser of two evils, their up-to-date equipment and know-how supplied by the CIA, and their own high and 'idealistic' motivation to lead a war of attrition that eventually ended in the retreat of the Soviet Union, which did however not experience a period of internal turmoil comparable to that of the American Vietnam era as the totalitarian Soviet regieme didn't allow the unrest to spread.
The war did not stop in the 'freed' Afghanistan. A constant civil war between different warlords and fanatical factions errupted and only came to a relative halt when the Taliban took over, although it has not even ended completely today.
As for the fundamentalistic command network built up by the CIA, it went rogue on its original founders, as was demonstrated by it leading an assassination of one of its co-founders, the Egyptian President. Nowadays, we know this network as Al Quaeda.
All in all pretty bleak, huh? As I said, this is off the top of my head with no support than a quick glance into the encyclopedia, so feel free to correct me. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> What happened to Nem's avatar?
Anyway, I'd suggest google as well, I'm pretty dumb when it comes to history and facts and knowledge in general, lol.
i'd heard that the CIA had had a hand in training him to what hes done/does, but ive never looked any further in to it : / <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Bin Laden abandoned his rich Saudi Arabian family (which has excellent contacts with the pro-US Saudi royal family) to go and fight in Afghanistan against the Soviets. Seeing his familys background, it was forseeable that the CIA saw a reliable man to operate big parts of the resistance in him. Well, guess what...
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<!--QuoteBegin-Nemesis Zero+May 6 2004, 11:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ May 6 2004, 11:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> OK, a few facts from the back of my head:
The Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan to aid a pro-sovietic (I'll beat anyone using the word 'communistic' in this context to a bloody pulp) revolt in Kabul - which can be taken as a cover to institute control in a country housing strong islamic-fundamentalistic movements that started to influence the Muslim communities in the bordering Soviet areas. As was to be expected, the Afghani official military couldn't hold out against what was the biggest standing army of its time, and the UN, while condemning the invasion as unprovoced in a resolution of the General Assembly, was incapable of following up with consequences due to the SUs veto in the Security Council.
Then, the CIA intervened. I'm not sure about the exact motivations behind the move by the American secret service as Afghanistans strategical importance was virtually neglible in the contemporary world theatre, so maybe it's safe to assume that they hoped for a similiarily 'devastating' effect on the domestic Soviet population as Vietnam had had on the American public opinion when they started supporting the most fanatic extremistical parties, which had not abandoned the fight against the atheistic and thus diabolical enemy with money, weapons, and training. The CIA co-created a number of control structures and fundamentalistic networks to organize and internationalize the resistance that was thus created and that drew fighters from all over the Muslim world into this guerillia war.
The resulting confrontation was remorseless, dirty, and highly devastating for the Soviet army. The Muahedjin used their superior knowledge of the terrain, their high sympathies within the Afghani populace which saw them as the by far lesser of two evils, their up-to-date equipment and know-how supplied by the CIA, and their own high and 'idealistic' motivation to lead a war of attrition that eventually ended in the retreat of the Soviet Union, which did however not experience a period of internal turmoil comparable to that of the American Vietnam era as the totalitarian Soviet regieme didn't allow the unrest to spread.
The war did not stop in the 'freed' Afghanistan. A constant civil war between different warlords and fanatical factions errupted and only came to a relative halt when the Taliban took over, although it has not even ended completely today.
As for the fundamentalistic command network built up by the CIA, it went rogue on its original founders, as was demonstrated by it leading an assassination of one of its co-founders, the Egyptian President. Nowadays, we know this network as Al Quaeda.
All in all pretty bleak, huh? As I said, this is off the top of my head with no support than a quick glance into the encyclopedia, so feel free to correct me. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> One of the reasons the US got involved is the same reason for Korea and Vietnam, the US government feared a 'domino effect' whereby one country would fall into soviet rule and then subsequent countries would follow.
It was especially fueled by the way the USSR took China and then North Korea into the soviet web (despite the fact China and the USSR never had really good relations, and additionally - for Vietnam - that Ho Chi Minh would rather have followed the US's example of gaining its independance rather than become communist...except the US wanted to aid France (at Dien Bien Phu, I think it was) instead of listen to him).
I think the greatest problem we'll find with the 1970's Afghan war, is that the CIA trained many of the people that fight against us now. Reminds me of Iraq and Saddam, in fact...
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->One of the reasons the US got involved is the same reason for Korea and Vietnam, the US government feared a 'domino effect' whereby one country would fall into soviet rule and then subsequent countries would follow.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Well yeah, one can write it all up to the application of the Containment Policy, but the support the CIA sent into Afghanistan was remarkable nonetheless, especially considering that they were de-facto funding the same kind of people that had just led the Islamic revolution in Iran.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I think the greatest problem we'll find with the 1970's Afghan war, is that the CIA trained many of the people that fight against us now. Reminds me of Iraq and Saddam, in fact...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I'd argue that it's merely one of multiple problems, all of which have numerous parties at fault. The in my opinion biggest tragedy concerning this war is the ensuing and never ending unrest in Afghanistan which has so far killed more people than Bin Laden could dream of.
The USSR Afghanistan war wasn't a whole lot like the USA Vietnam war as Nomble pointed out, it did drag out into one of those annoying gurilla wars but the major difference was there was nothing holding the Soviets back from doing any and anything to win unlike the US in Vietnam who had public opinion and lazy congressmen against them, preventing them from taking the action required to end the war by force.
The USSR did a lot of very nasty and unplesant things in Afghanistan, chemical weapons were used quite a lot to clear villages suspected of harbouring Mujhadeen fighters rather than send in troops to get them. This was also thing killing ground where the Spetz Naz earned their reputation and one of the worlds foremost special forces.
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<!--QuoteBegin-Nomble+May 6 2004, 09:48 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nomble @ May 6 2004, 09:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I would shut up about the post count if I were you.
Anyway. The afgan-soviet war was exacly like americans vietnam , but this was not jungle, but desert mountains. Now that's something to remember folks. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Before I post my thanks, and encourage more posting about it- Shut it man. I know what to post, and what not to. Its standard practice on these forums to celebrate the big numbers(1000, 1337, 2000, 3000 etc). So don't tell me what to post on forums that I frequent, know the rules, and generally help/live in. Its quite rude.
Otherwise: Thanks everyone, this is a LOT of stuff, and'll definately help. And to say the least- I already GOOGLE'd it and the such, I just wanted to know what was the general thoughts of it from here, different random facts, and would love to have it posted in the way you and me understand.
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<!--QuoteBegin-Nuketheplace+May 6 2004, 02:59 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nuketheplace @ May 6 2004, 02:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Hehe Quaunaut are you studying for the AP euro test as well, good luck if you are. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Not atall. I generally retain information well. Thing is, my teacher has something so whenever he needs free time, he has us teach ourselves, but in groups. Most don't see past it, but I do. Just modern world, though I could do Europe AP easy. I'm just lazy- not stupid.
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Any warning from the mods if I scanned in some pages from my history book? If so, I'll just send a PM.
Though NZero provided a whole lot of information already... that's why I stay out of political discussions all together, I'm a total amateur to history even with over 90% in the course...
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More specifically, the USA's supplying the Afghan's with the advanced Stinger SAM system was a serious threat to the Soviet Air Force. Again, domestic Soviet pressure won the war for the Afghan's.
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Anyway. The afgan-soviet war was exacly like americans vietnam , but this was not jungle, but desert mountains.
Now that's something to remember folks.
Except few people do. This is one of those unknown wars.
The Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan to aid a pro-sovietic (I'll beat anyone using the word 'communistic' in this context to a bloody pulp) revolt in Kabul - which can be taken as a cover to institute control in a country housing strong islamic-fundamentalistic movements that started to influence the Muslim communities in the bordering Soviet areas.
As was to be expected, the Afghani official military couldn't hold out against what was the biggest standing army of its time, and the UN, while condemning the invasion as unprovoced in a resolution of the General Assembly, was incapable of following up with consequences due to the SUs veto in the Security Council.
Then, the CIA intervened. I'm not sure about the exact motivations behind the move by the American secret service as Afghanistans strategical importance was virtually neglible in the contemporary world theatre, so maybe it's safe to assume that they hoped for a similiarily 'devastating' effect on the domestic Soviet population as Vietnam had had on the American public opinion when they started supporting the most fanatic extremistical parties, which had not abandoned the fight against the atheistic and thus diabolical enemy with money, weapons, and training. The CIA co-created a number of control structures and fundamentalistic networks to organize and internationalize the resistance that was thus created and that drew fighters from all over the Muslim world into this guerillia war.
The resulting confrontation was remorseless, dirty, and highly devastating for the Soviet army. The Muahedjin used their superior knowledge of the terrain, their high sympathies within the Afghani populace which saw them as the by far lesser of two evils, their up-to-date equipment and know-how supplied by the CIA, and their own high and 'idealistic' motivation to lead a war of attrition that eventually ended in the retreat of the Soviet Union, which did however not experience a period of internal turmoil comparable to that of the American Vietnam era as the totalitarian Soviet regieme didn't allow the unrest to spread.
The war did not stop in the 'freed' Afghanistan. A constant civil war between different warlords and fanatical factions errupted and only came to a relative halt when the Taliban took over, although it has not even ended completely today.
As for the fundamentalistic command network built up by the CIA, it went rogue on its original founders, as was demonstrated by it leading an assassination of one of its co-founders, the Egyptian President. Nowadays, we know this network as Al Quaeda.
All in all pretty bleak, huh? As I said, this is off the top of my head with no support than a quick glance into the encyclopedia, so feel free to correct me.
As for the fundamentalistic command network built up by the CIA, it went rogue on its original founders, as was demonstrated by it leading an assassination of one of its co-founders, the Egyptian President. Nowadays, we know this network as Al Quaeda.
{more stuff...}<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Osama?
i'd heard that the CIA had had a hand in training him to what hes done/does, but ive never looked any further in to it : /
The Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan to aid a pro-sovietic (I'll beat anyone using the word 'communistic' in this context to a bloody pulp) revolt in Kabul - which can be taken as a cover to institute control in a country housing strong islamic-fundamentalistic movements that started to influence the Muslim communities in the bordering Soviet areas.
As was to be expected, the Afghani official military couldn't hold out against what was the biggest standing army of its time, and the UN, while condemning the invasion as unprovoced in a resolution of the General Assembly, was incapable of following up with consequences due to the SUs veto in the Security Council.
Then, the CIA intervened. I'm not sure about the exact motivations behind the move by the American secret service as Afghanistans strategical importance was virtually neglible in the contemporary world theatre, so maybe it's safe to assume that they hoped for a similiarily 'devastating' effect on the domestic Soviet population as Vietnam had had on the American public opinion when they started supporting the most fanatic extremistical parties, which had not abandoned the fight against the atheistic and thus diabolical enemy with money, weapons, and training. The CIA co-created a number of control structures and fundamentalistic networks to organize and internationalize the resistance that was thus created and that drew fighters from all over the Muslim world into this guerillia war.
The resulting confrontation was remorseless, dirty, and highly devastating for the Soviet army. The Muahedjin used their superior knowledge of the terrain, their high sympathies within the Afghani populace which saw them as the by far lesser of two evils, their up-to-date equipment and know-how supplied by the CIA, and their own high and 'idealistic' motivation to lead a war of attrition that eventually ended in the retreat of the Soviet Union, which did however not experience a period of internal turmoil comparable to that of the American Vietnam era as the totalitarian Soviet regieme didn't allow the unrest to spread.
The war did not stop in the 'freed' Afghanistan. A constant civil war between different warlords and fanatical factions errupted and only came to a relative halt when the Taliban took over, although it has not even ended completely today.
As for the fundamentalistic command network built up by the CIA, it went rogue on its original founders, as was demonstrated by it leading an assassination of one of its co-founders, the Egyptian President. Nowadays, we know this network as Al Quaeda.
All in all pretty bleak, huh? As I said, this is off the top of my head with no support than a quick glance into the encyclopedia, so feel free to correct me. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
What happened to Nem's avatar?
Anyway, I'd suggest google as well, I'm pretty dumb when it comes to history and facts and knowledge in general, lol.
~ DarkATi
i'd heard that the CIA had had a hand in training him to what hes done/does, but ive never looked any further in to it : / <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Bin Laden abandoned his rich Saudi Arabian family (which has excellent contacts with the pro-US Saudi royal family) to go and fight in Afghanistan against the Soviets. Seeing his familys background, it was forseeable that the CIA saw a reliable man to operate big parts of the resistance in him. Well, guess what...
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The Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan to aid a pro-sovietic (I'll beat anyone using the word 'communistic' in this context to a bloody pulp) revolt in Kabul - which can be taken as a cover to institute control in a country housing strong islamic-fundamentalistic movements that started to influence the Muslim communities in the bordering Soviet areas.
As was to be expected, the Afghani official military couldn't hold out against what was the biggest standing army of its time, and the UN, while condemning the invasion as unprovoced in a resolution of the General Assembly, was incapable of following up with consequences due to the SUs veto in the Security Council.
Then, the CIA intervened. I'm not sure about the exact motivations behind the move by the American secret service as Afghanistans strategical importance was virtually neglible in the contemporary world theatre, so maybe it's safe to assume that they hoped for a similiarily 'devastating' effect on the domestic Soviet population as Vietnam had had on the American public opinion when they started supporting the most fanatic extremistical parties, which had not abandoned the fight against the atheistic and thus diabolical enemy with money, weapons, and training. The CIA co-created a number of control structures and fundamentalistic networks to organize and internationalize the resistance that was thus created and that drew fighters from all over the Muslim world into this guerillia war.
The resulting confrontation was remorseless, dirty, and highly devastating for the Soviet army. The Muahedjin used their superior knowledge of the terrain, their high sympathies within the Afghani populace which saw them as the by far lesser of two evils, their up-to-date equipment and know-how supplied by the CIA, and their own high and 'idealistic' motivation to lead a war of attrition that eventually ended in the retreat of the Soviet Union, which did however not experience a period of internal turmoil comparable to that of the American Vietnam era as the totalitarian Soviet regieme didn't allow the unrest to spread.
The war did not stop in the 'freed' Afghanistan. A constant civil war between different warlords and fanatical factions errupted and only came to a relative halt when the Taliban took over, although it has not even ended completely today.
As for the fundamentalistic command network built up by the CIA, it went rogue on its original founders, as was demonstrated by it leading an assassination of one of its co-founders, the Egyptian President. Nowadays, we know this network as Al Quaeda.
All in all pretty bleak, huh? As I said, this is off the top of my head with no support than a quick glance into the encyclopedia, so feel free to correct me. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
One of the reasons the US got involved is the same reason for Korea and Vietnam, the US government feared a 'domino effect' whereby one country would fall into soviet rule and then subsequent countries would follow.
It was especially fueled by the way the USSR took China and then North Korea into the soviet web (despite the fact China and the USSR never had really good relations, and additionally - for Vietnam - that Ho Chi Minh would rather have followed the US's example of gaining its independance rather than become communist...except the US wanted to aid France (at Dien Bien Phu, I think it was) instead of listen to him).
I think the greatest problem we'll find with the 1970's Afghan war, is that the CIA trained many of the people that fight against us now. Reminds me of Iraq and Saddam, in fact...
Well yeah, one can write it all up to the application of the Containment Policy, but the support the CIA sent into Afghanistan was remarkable nonetheless, especially considering that they were de-facto funding the same kind of people that had just led the Islamic revolution in Iran.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I think the greatest problem we'll find with the 1970's Afghan war, is that the CIA trained many of the people that fight against us now. Reminds me of Iraq and Saddam, in fact...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'd argue that it's merely one of multiple problems, all of which have numerous parties at fault. The in my opinion biggest tragedy concerning this war is the ensuing and never ending unrest in Afghanistan which has so far killed more people than Bin Laden could dream of.
The USSR did a lot of very nasty and unplesant things in Afghanistan, chemical weapons were used quite a lot to clear villages suspected of harbouring Mujhadeen fighters rather than send in troops to get them. This was also thing killing ground where the Spetz Naz earned their reputation and one of the worlds foremost special forces.
Anyway. The afgan-soviet war was exacly like americans vietnam , but this was not jungle, but desert mountains.
Now that's something to remember folks. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Before I post my thanks, and encourage more posting about it- Shut it man. I know what to post, and what not to. Its standard practice on these forums to celebrate the big numbers(1000, 1337, 2000, 3000 etc). So don't tell me what to post on forums that I frequent, know the rules, and generally help/live in. Its quite rude.
Otherwise: Thanks everyone, this is a LOT of stuff, and'll definately help. And to say the least- I already GOOGLE'd it and the such, I just wanted to know what was the general thoughts of it from here, different random facts, and would love to have it posted in the way you and me understand.
Not atall. I generally retain information well. Thing is, my teacher has something so whenever he needs free time, he has us teach ourselves, but in groups. Most don't see past it, but I do. Just modern world, though I could do Europe AP easy. I'm just lazy- not stupid.
Though NZero provided a whole lot of information already... that's why I stay out of political discussions all together, I'm a total amateur to history even with over 90% in the course...
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