<!--QuoteBegin-V-MAN+Apr 28 2004, 01:21 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (V-MAN @ Apr 28 2004, 01:21 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Dunno what i can do about it tho, voiced my concerns about it to her but haven't mentioned what i heard him talking about in the canteen yet. It all just conjours up thoughts of him and his skanky mates luring in young girls then giving them date rape pills or sommit <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Introduce him to a friend I like to call Mr. Crowbar. That should convince him to leave her alone.
Man that really sucks V-Man, I hope you can snap some sense into the ol' gil. What is it with some girls and blatantly ignoring the most obvious things? Oh well, good luck with it.
<!--QuoteBegin-big jim+Apr 29 2004, 01:15 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (big jim @ Apr 29 2004, 01:15 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> nothing wrong with agreeing with you, just on what we were agreeing on. violence shouldnt be the way, but sometimes is.
and i'll agree with you again moq <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->look bro, this girl.. she is my friend... if you hurt her. i will hurt you<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
first go to her, if that doesnt work, go do this, get another guy who knows about it all (and agrees, lol) to hang around in the background, not so close it could be seen that your ganging up on him, but you know. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> now that... would be pathetic..
if you cant beat a man 1 v 1 no weapons... a fair fight... then you shouldnt be calling the odds...
vman u wanna jin the marines? so i assume ur pretty well built... just go beat his ****.. no offence to pacifists... but with all this girly **** about feelings and who will get hurt.. every minute.. your friend could be getting closer to being hurt... screw being rational... go give him a canin
Aside from the pagan bashing I couldn't really see much point to your post, any 30 year old hanging out with a 17 year old girl is going to seem creepy to you. The only time you should be concerned is if your 17 year friend says she is feeling strange and doesn't really feel comfortable with the idea anymore.
As far as what he said at a bar, that is really not admisble. You would be suprised how many guys openly say they had sex with women they haven't so much as spoken to when surrounded by booze and other guys.
And last I checked the UK has laws about slashing tires and beating the **** out of people. I know you all think it sounds cool but the only thing that will happen is V-man will probably get in trouble and lose his job.
And last I checked the UK has laws about slashing tires and beating the **** out of people. I know you all think it sounds cool but the only thing that will happen is V-man will probably get in trouble and lose his job. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> well actually... there are many ways.... the police round here are too slow and stupid to catch a cold.
um dont beat him up or threaten him [until afterwards and she got date raped, then beat him senseless.], where would that leave you? serving a few years in prison, while this guy goes scot-free and able to run around date-raping other girls? no thank you.
go up to your 17 year old friend... "you are like a daughter/sister to me [depending on how old you are], i dont want you to get hurt, and i and other people have really really bad feelings about this guy. he's said some pretty bad stuff about what happens at those parties, and we dont want you getting hurt... would it be okay if i just looked into this a bit more, talked to the guy, figured out what the deal is? because youre a very attractive and appealing [doesnt have to be true <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->] young girl and we worry about all the bad things in life that do exist and are out there trying to do bad things. we're not trying to hold you back or restrict you, but you have to be sure about things before you jump in, because you could get seriously hurt, and i want to be be there for you"
then:
- ask her [not him] if you can cometo the pagan ritual too. bring whatever defense you need neccessary... Mr Punchy, and Mr Hitty. and if you're allwoed to go: Don't accept any drinks [im talking any, because if this guy is sleazy... could have pills in the coke can, spiked juice, whatever]. Don't do any drugs. Don't let the girl out of your sight. If there are huge guys there, or more guys than you think you can handle, warn the girl and stick close to her. if you're not allowed to go, tell the girl how utterly suspicious this is looking
- talk to the guy, ask him about his 'pagan beliefs' and what goes on at the parties [dont be suspicious about it, but if he's vague, dont hold back. let him know you're just looking out for the girl's interests, but dont threaten him in any way.. not even suggestively.] then look up and confirm if his views on paganism are correct, look into the big fish pagans and ask them anything you know about this guy, then about what happens at the parties and if it's sus, find out what he believes in, etc. - find out who else goes to the parties, find out same info as above, find out if any other girls/people have gone, and what happened in them [i.e not just his friends]
then try and teach the girl how to look after herself... just give her some pointers etc [not lectures].
and it looks like you've got the girl to be open and listening to you, in the sense of she's at least talking to you, and not teen angst whatever - like whenever you try and bring up the subject she has a tantrum etc etc. so dont abuse that, and dont go off your head, dont try and restrict her, show her how you just care about her and arent trying to lead her life, and dont go behind her back about important things.
There always have been and always will be bad people, and bad things, that happen in life. You just have to try and protect yourself against them as best as possible, and be ready for whatever may come your way.
[Dont listen to these people who want you to resort to violence BEFORE the event. afterwards, if anything bad happened, get the cops on him, get him fired, get him in jail, and if that doesnt work, beat him up [without incriminating you, or giving him any legal ground... revenge doesnt have to have faces.]
If you want, I can come down to where you live and "talk" with him. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
'- ask her [not him] if you can cometo the pagan ritual too. bring whatever defense you need neccessary... Mr Punchy, and Mr Hitty. and if you're allwoed to go: Don't accept any drinks [im talking any, because if this guy is sleazy... could have pills in the coke can, spiked juice, whatever]. Don't do any drugs. Don't let the girl out of your sight. If there are huge guys there, or more guys than you think you can handle, warn the girl and stick close to her. if you're not allowed to go, tell the girl how utterly suspicious this is looking'
i dont know who you know or who you are connected to... but im genuine.. if you need any help <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> then just let me know... lol
and renegade... u are abit far away <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> lol i am roughly 2 hours from V man... so ner. lol
also Vman ignore the people saying you would go down for it... i mean.. this is england.. i see people getting the hell kicked out of them on friday/saturday nights... and nobody bats an eyelid... some of these people clearly dont have a realist view on what it is like around this area with the police
Gah, I'm just chatting to her on msn at the moment and she is so freaking naive it's stupid she honestly can't see the woods for the trees on this.
She's just told me that not many of the other women at work like him and what friends he does have at work nick name him "porno" ffs
btw moquiao is right I wouldn't get sent down for kicking the **** outa him, at worst I would lose my job I have had plenty of friends kick the **** outa people repeatedly and the worst one has gotten so far is a tag on his leg for 4 months I on the other hand have not got a criminal record not even a caution this would be a first offence if I got caught for it.
Still, don't be an idiot about this. Try and help the girl, but playing the protective father isn't going to help her in the long run. If you think you can manage to go with her, and protect her from whatever happens, while not shielding her from what could have happened, then it's a learning experience. She sounds really naive, so she needs to learn to be smart, or some day she'll come to something bad where she won't have any friends to steer her clear, and she won't have any experience or street smarts.
And don't go around beating people up just because they look sleazy, or talk some trash. Try and resolve it differently, in a way that will actually help stem something other than your frustration.
... I think moq speaks for all the Conan the Destroyers out there, and Eediot's covering the "rational side" of things.
If you care about protecting the girl, then violence should be the last resort. If you're out to work on that ripped bod you have, then beat the crap out of him. Don't look for an excuse to beat him up, just go out and do it (harder to get convicted if you don't have a motive, and a good alibi)
As for pacifism <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> I've been a pacifist for the last 2 years of my life, and managed to talk/worm my way out of 3 really bad situations. None of them involved me trapped somewhere, however, so I don't know just how pacifistic I'd be in a corner somewhere (but training tells you to never let yourself into those kind of situations, so it's kinda circular logic)
Hmm not long got home from work and had a chat to her there before we started our shifts about it and I thought I had finally gotten through to her about it but alas I have failed it seems. She was starting to see the point that I was trying to getting accross it seemed and said she was gonna give him a wide berth. She also told me about how he was getting very persistant on reading her palm or something but she didn't want to do it.
Also found out that the bloke is affraid of me, he won't come near her when she is talking to me (turns round walks the other way when he sees me etc) and has that frightened look is his eyes everytime I catch him oogling her, so at least I know I can intimidate him without having to resort to violence.
Then when she went on her break with Hayley and the rest of the girls (i have my breaks later) I saw him go running off up to the canteen after them she came down after saying he read her palm and she didn't like it and that he stank :/ Hayley said that they was all sitting on a table together while he was on another and he called Laurel over to read her palm and she went despite Hayley telling her not to :/.
Oh well I tried seems she is gonna go and do this anyway cos she's now telling me one thing (cos she knows I'm worried about her) but doing the other...... all I can do now really is try to catch her if she falls and hope I can put her back together. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Ask her if she feels something is making her do things she doesn't want to, like not having control over her own actions. It's not unheard of for pervy freaky people to use natural influence over people. Warning signs you should look for: bad dreams, feelings of being watched, loss of coherence when "porno" dude is around.
If those pop up Google a simple counter/warding spell, and I'm 100% serious this kind of stuff does happen.
yo V take my word for it.. we come from the same kinda area dude... like u said you wont go down...
sure you could play it safe... and cool off you ahve advised her what else can you do?!
or... she could wind up getting gangbanged... and then how will you feel...
cut the head off the snake before it bites. always. im serious V if you need any help im down <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> ive known u kinda from DB for ages now (i was Gc.WoLF/Woofie) was around alot last summer...
and ur not far away.. if your worried bout not being able to take him or getting caught... let me take care of it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> im genuinely offering myself here... i aint never let nobody down..except once/
V, this is hard for me to talk about. my ex girlfriend... got touched up by some dirty family friend when she was 6... and he got away with it.. acted like nothing happened and she was too afraid to tell anyone but me.. and so when he came to her 16th birthday (i was 17) i was chatting to him outside... and all of a sudden.. i just let rip... and started beating the hell out of him.. i left him with a broken leg both arms broken and a broken jaw 4 teeth out. i have never lost my temper so much ever. and that is what i have a record for. i got told never to set foort in the girls house again.. until she confessed the whole story... and then i was treated like some kind of hero... but i digress... she went to eastbourne.. to some crappy carnival.. without me.. no probs... but she rang me about some guy who was all over her... like really forcefully... i got on my phone.. rang a few guys... got on my bike and made my way there (its around 40 mins away if i speed) so yeah... i cant use my cell when im riding.. so when i get there.. i call her up.. and she is in tears... this guy took her in the toilets and touched her up.. held her down with one hand.. and did his business and then kinda.. yeah all over her. i have never been so angry in my life.. i sent my guys looking for him... with the description... and yeah we found him around 200 yards away. drinking and laughing with his friends... i was VERY stupid.. i had a knife.. and i swear to god.. i wouldve freaking slit his from ear to ear... but gf's friends had already called the police.. and so they grabbed him while i was like 20 m away... i had to stand down...
the moral of this story i dont really know myself... but until you have had that happen to somebody you love.. and you were kinda close.. but not close enough to stop it... the sheer pain from that... is so intense... that is why i am so up for helping you out. cos i know what it feels like. before. during and after.
jesus moq, that puts my experinece with a raping **** way out. knifing him would have been bad though. for you. anyone who takes advantage of anyone in that way should be cruxified and torn limb from limb.
V man, you say hes scared of you? advantage to you. use it to its full potenial, sort that **** out.
Thanks mate for the offer but if violence is gonna be required I will have to do it myself, she's my friend and if she gets hurt because I failed to act then on my own head be it <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->. Like I said she's telling me one thing and doing another, she won't listen to her friends but if we really are her friends then we need to be there to catch her if she falls.
Kicking the **** outa him before hand would probably cost me my job and earn me a criminal record + tag for a few months all to prevent something that may or may not happen.
Kicking the **** outa him after, none of the above would matter to me then....
The only option that's really left to me is to warn the bloke off her or "politely" inform him of the consequences of her getting hurt in anyway shape or form at one of his get togethers.
Go to that dude, knife the crap outta him and save the girl and make babblers. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Can always rely on you to lighten to mood birdy <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
But bring a knife anyways and some underpowered handgrenades. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Go to that dude, knife the crap outta him and save the girl and make babblers. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Can always rely on you to lighten to mood birdy <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> as always.. nadine is right... now you know why me and her went well rofl
dude where you go from here is your choice... but have faith when i tell you.. you dont ever wanna feel that feeling. the i couldve acted but i chose not to
and to the guy who said stabbing him up wouldve been wrong... i would be happy to be some big guys prison **** so long as my ex knew she could walk around safely.. knowing that she didnt have to worry about people like him...
V, if you dont want to go physical.... my advice is.. if he is scared... put the fear of GOD into him... let him know that HE is your target.. and you are watching his every move... be careful to do this where nobody can hear you or anything...
trust me lol i am experienced in the art of well w/e the hell this is..
you can get in more trouble for threatening... then the crime itself...
well, honestly, if he is already afraid of you, I doubt anything will really happen forcefully. While he may try to convince her to do something, I doubt hes willing to force it on her and then never show his face again, seeing as you see him quite often. More often then not, naiveness is not because they dont know whats going on, its because they dont want to. She is more than likely fully aware of what is going on, but is ignoring it because she likes the attention, or wants the drama....... you will find plenty of women who are like that, and you just have to deal with it unfortunately.
<!--QuoteBegin-Moquiao+Apr 29 2004, 06:17 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Moquiao @ Apr 29 2004, 06:17 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> and to the guy who said stabbing him up wouldve been wrong... i would be happy to be some big guys prison **** so long as my ex knew she could walk around safely.. knowing that she didnt have to worry about people like him... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> i didnt say it would have been wrong, id have probably nearly done the same it was me, infact i will do if i ever meet a certain scumbag again, and if your prepared to go down for removing scum like that from society your a good man in my book, and we could do with a few more like you.
but like i said, use the fact he's scared of you, do as moquiao said, make him **** himself everytime he sees a shadow that kinda looks like you.
terror is a far stronger feeling than wanting to get jiggy
<!--QuoteBegin-Nikon+Apr 29 2004, 11:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nikon @ Apr 29 2004, 11:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> well, honestly, if he is already afraid of you, I doubt anything will really happen forcefully. While he may try to convince her to do something, I doubt hes willing to force it on her and then never show his face again, seeing as you see him quite often. More often then not, naiveness is not because they dont know whats going on, its because they dont want to. She is more than likely fully aware of what is going on, but is ignoring it because she likes the attention, or wants the drama....... you will find plenty of women who are like that, and you just have to deal with it unfortunately. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> hmmm that's some food for thought you've just given me nikon........making me wonder if she's playing my stupid arse <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I've known her for about a year or so since I started this job I get on really well with her, about 2 months ago I found out she really liked me but although i care about her a lot I don't like her in that way mainly cos she's 17 im 23 and she looks like an 11 year old...... Kinda distanced myself from her in the last couple of weeks cos she has been badgering me a little bit too much by being around me all the time.
What nikon just said about women liking the drama and attention has got me wondering if this is some f**ked up attempt on her part to get me to pay attention to her by allowing herself to get involved with this weirdo.
**** i dunno what to think anymore! that bloke is still what he is but could she really be doing it on purpose just to get my attention?
damn it's late an i got work in the morning <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> thanks for the advice fellas especially moquiao really gonna have to meet up with you buddy and have a couple of beers some day <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
In all honesty though, it dosen't seem like <b>she</b> is really that concerned about this, sure it might be bugging her a bit but if shes not willing to take any action on her own part then you've really done all you can. Yes it sucks, but if shes really that impressionable then maybe its a good thing you find out now instead of after your in a relationship with her at some point.
I've had that happen to me a few times though on a lesser scale, where people I thought were my friends just ignored me, sufficient to say I'm not good friends with them anymore.
<!--QuoteBegin-V-MAN+Apr 29 2004, 03:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (V-MAN @ Apr 29 2004, 03:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Nikon+Apr 29 2004, 11:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nikon @ Apr 29 2004, 11:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> well, honestly, if he is already afraid of you, I doubt anything will really happen forcefully. While he may try to convince her to do something, I doubt hes willing to force it on her and then never show his face again, seeing as you see him quite often. More often then not, naiveness is not because they dont know whats going on, its because they dont want to. She is more than likely fully aware of what is going on, but is ignoring it because she likes the attention, or wants the drama....... you will find plenty of women who are like that, and you just have to deal with it unfortunately. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
**** i dunno what to think anymore! that bloke is still what he is but could she really be doing it on purpose just to get my attention?
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->well, honestly, if he is already afraid of you, I doubt anything will really happen forcefully. While he may try to convince her to do something, I doubt hes willing to force it on her and then never show his face again, seeing as you see him quite often<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
this is a very positive factor in your case. If he truly is afraid of you, then your worries should be lesson that anything forceful will happen.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What nikon just said about women liking the drama and attention has got me wondering if this is some f**ked up attempt on her part to get me to pay attention to her by allowing herself to get involved with this weirdo. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
while she may be doing it for attention, it may not be yours in particular, but attention in general. I have met WAY too many girls 15-20 that are 'attention {insert word here beings with W ends with E, and means loose woman}-thanks filter <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo--> -'. She is young, you have to accept that fact, but that doenst mean you shouldnt try to look out for her best interest. She does however have to make her own mistakes if she needs to. Inform her of your worries and best interests for her, and then she has to choose where to go from there. Dont beat yourself up over her stupidity(if indeed she is being stupid), but rest well knowing you have done all you can for her, and pray she is mature enough to do what is right and in her best interest also.
<!--QuoteBegin-Moquiao+Apr 29 2004, 02:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Moquiao @ Apr 29 2004, 02:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> and renegade... u are abit far away <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> lol i am roughly 2 hours from V man... so ner. lol <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I've got access to some of the fastest vehicles known to man. I can be there fast. Believe me.
<!--QuoteBegin-Renegade+Apr 30 2004, 04:42 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Renegade @ Apr 30 2004, 04:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Moquiao+Apr 29 2004, 02:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Moquiao @ Apr 29 2004, 02:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> and renegade... u are abit far away <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> lol i am roughly 2 hours from V man... so ner. lol <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I've got access to some of the fastest vehicles known to man. I can be there fast. Believe me. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> yeah but still you couldnt hope to be as tough as me <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> after all your american j/k!
Balls of british steel here <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
and yeah V-man sounds good i need to go out with esuna for a drink too he is pretty local...
one small point
'She does however have to make her own mistakes if she needs to'
while this is true to a degree... there is mistakes.. and then the possibility of this guy being a proper dirty gimp with her...
about the attention thing... i know about it. since we have split.. my ex has cried wolf.. about being mollested.. 2 times... cos she knows even tho i cant stand her anymore that is the one thing which will always make me come running :/
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Introduce him to a friend I like to call Mr. Crowbar. That should convince him to leave her alone.
and i'll agree with you again moq <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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first go to her, if that doesnt work, go do this, get another guy who knows about it all (and agrees, lol) to hang around in the background, not so close it could be seen that your ganging up on him, but you know. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
now that... would be pathetic..
if you cant beat a man 1 v 1 no weapons... a fair fight... then you shouldnt be calling the odds...
vman u wanna jin the marines? so i assume ur pretty well built... just go beat his ****.. no offence to pacifists... but with all this girly **** about feelings and who will get hurt.. every minute.. your friend could be getting closer to being hurt... screw being rational... go give him a canin
As far as what he said at a bar, that is really not admisble. You would be suprised how many guys openly say they had sex with women they haven't so much as spoken to when surrounded by booze and other guys.
And last I checked the UK has laws about slashing tires and beating the **** out of people. I know you all think it sounds cool but the only thing that will happen is V-man will probably get in trouble and lose his job.
And last I checked the UK has laws about slashing tires and beating the **** out of people. I know you all think it sounds cool but the only thing that will happen is V-man will probably get in trouble and lose his job. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
well actually... there are many ways.... the police round here are too slow and stupid to catch a cold.
but yeah V, the majority says beat his ****!
go up to your 17 year old friend... "you are like a daughter/sister to me [depending on how old you are], i dont want you to get hurt, and i and other people have really really bad feelings about this guy. he's said some pretty bad stuff about what happens at those parties, and we dont want you getting hurt... would it be okay if i just looked into this a bit more, talked to the guy, figured out what the deal is? because youre a very attractive and appealing [doesnt have to be true <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->] young girl and we worry about all the bad things in life that do exist and are out there trying to do bad things. we're not trying to hold you back or restrict you, but you have to be sure about things before you jump in, because you could get seriously hurt, and i want to be be there for you"
then:
- ask her [not him] if you can cometo the pagan ritual too. bring whatever defense you need neccessary... Mr Punchy, and Mr Hitty.
and if you're allwoed to go: Don't accept any drinks [im talking any, because if this guy is sleazy... could have pills in the coke can, spiked juice, whatever]. Don't do any drugs. Don't let the girl out of your sight. If there are huge guys there, or more guys than you think you can handle, warn the girl and stick close to her.
if you're not allowed to go, tell the girl how utterly suspicious this is looking
- talk to the guy, ask him about his 'pagan beliefs' and what goes on at the parties [dont be suspicious about it, but if he's vague, dont hold back. let him know you're just looking out for the girl's interests, but dont threaten him in any way.. not even suggestively.]
then look up and confirm if his views on paganism are correct, look into the big fish pagans and ask them anything you know about this guy, then about what happens at the parties and if it's sus, find out what he believes in, etc.
- find out who else goes to the parties, find out same info as above, find out if any other girls/people have gone, and what happened in them [i.e not just his friends]
then try and teach the girl how to look after herself... just give her some pointers etc [not lectures].
and it looks like you've got the girl to be open and listening to you, in the sense of she's at least talking to you, and not teen angst whatever - like whenever you try and bring up the subject she has a tantrum etc etc. so dont abuse that, and dont go off your head, dont try and restrict her, show her how you just care about her and arent trying to lead her life, and dont go behind her back about important things.
There always have been and always will be bad people, and bad things, that happen in life. You just have to try and protect yourself against them as best as possible, and be ready for whatever may come your way.
[Dont listen to these people who want you to resort to violence BEFORE the event. afterwards, if anything bad happened, get the cops on him, get him fired, get him in jail, and if that doesnt work, beat him up [without incriminating you, or giving him any legal ground... revenge doesnt have to have faces.]
hope this helps..
'- ask her [not him] if you can cometo the pagan ritual too. bring whatever defense you need neccessary... Mr Punchy, and Mr Hitty.
and if you're allwoed to go: Don't accept any drinks [im talking any, because if this guy is sleazy... could have pills in the coke can, spiked juice, whatever]. Don't do any drugs. Don't let the girl out of your sight. If there are huge guys there, or more guys than you think you can handle, warn the girl and stick close to her.
if you're not allowed to go, tell the girl how utterly suspicious this is looking'
i dont know who you know or who you are connected to... but im genuine.. if you need any help <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> then just let me know... lol
and renegade... u are abit far away <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> lol i am roughly 2 hours from V man... so ner. lol
also Vman ignore the people saying you would go down for it... i mean.. this is england.. i see people getting the hell kicked out of them on friday/saturday nights... and nobody bats an eyelid... some of these people clearly dont have a realist view on what it is like around this area with the police
She's just told me that not many of the other women at work like him and what friends he does have at work nick name him "porno" ffs
btw moquiao is right I wouldn't get sent down for kicking the **** outa him, at worst I would lose my job I have had plenty of friends kick the **** outa people repeatedly and the worst one has gotten so far is a tag on his leg for 4 months I on the other hand have not got a criminal record not even a caution this would be a first offence if I got caught for it.
And don't go around beating people up just because they look sleazy, or talk some trash. Try and resolve it differently, in a way that will actually help stem something other than your frustration.
If you care about protecting the girl, then violence should be the last resort. If you're out to work on that ripped bod you have, then beat the crap out of him. Don't look for an excuse to beat him up, just go out and do it (harder to get convicted if you don't have a motive, and a good alibi)
As for pacifism <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> I've been a pacifist for the last 2 years of my life, and managed to talk/worm my way out of 3 really bad situations. None of them involved me trapped somewhere, however, so I don't know just how pacifistic I'd be in a corner somewhere (but training tells you to never let yourself into those kind of situations, so it's kinda circular logic)
Also found out that the bloke is affraid of me, he won't come near her when she is talking to me (turns round walks the other way when he sees me etc) and has that frightened look is his eyes everytime I catch him oogling her, so at least I know I can intimidate him without having to resort to violence.
Then when she went on her break with Hayley and the rest of the girls (i have my breaks later) I saw him go running off up to the canteen after them she came down after saying he read her palm and she didn't like it and that he stank :/ Hayley said that they was all sitting on a table together while he was on another and he called Laurel over to read her palm and she went despite Hayley telling her not to :/.
Oh well I tried seems she is gonna go and do this anyway cos she's now telling me one thing (cos she knows I'm worried about her) but doing the other...... all I can do now really is try to catch her if she falls and hope I can put her back together. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->
If those pop up Google a simple counter/warding spell, and I'm 100% serious this kind of stuff does happen.
sure you could play it safe... and cool off you ahve advised her what else can you do?!
or... she could wind up getting gangbanged... and then how will you feel...
cut the head off the snake before it bites. always. im serious V if you need any help im down <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> ive known u kinda from DB for ages now (i was Gc.WoLF/Woofie) was around alot last summer...
and ur not far away.. if your worried bout not being able to take him or getting caught... let me take care of it <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> im genuinely offering myself here... i aint never let nobody down..except once/
V, this is hard for me to talk about. my ex girlfriend... got touched up by some dirty family friend when she was 6... and he got away with it.. acted like nothing happened and she was too afraid to tell anyone but me.. and so when he came to her 16th birthday (i was 17) i was chatting to him outside... and all of a sudden.. i just let rip... and started beating the hell out of him.. i left him with a broken leg both arms broken and a broken jaw 4 teeth out. i have never lost my temper so much ever. and that is what i have a record for. i got told never to set foort in the girls house again.. until she confessed the whole story... and then i was treated like some kind of hero... but i digress... she went to eastbourne.. to some crappy carnival.. without me.. no probs... but she rang me about some guy who was all over her... like really forcefully... i got on my phone.. rang a few guys... got on my bike and made my way there (its around 40 mins away if i speed) so yeah... i cant use my cell when im riding.. so when i get there.. i call her up.. and she is in tears... this guy took her in the toilets and touched her up.. held her down with one hand.. and did his business and then kinda.. yeah all over her. i have never been so angry in my life.. i sent my guys looking for him... with the description... and yeah we found him around 200 yards away. drinking and laughing with his friends... i was VERY stupid.. i had a knife.. and i swear to god.. i wouldve freaking slit his from ear to ear... but gf's friends had already called the police.. and so they grabbed him while i was like 20 m away... i had to stand down...
the moral of this story i dont really know myself... but until you have had that happen to somebody you love.. and you were kinda close.. but not close enough to stop it... the sheer pain from that... is so intense... that is why i am so up for helping you out. cos i know what it feels like. before. during and after.
Go to that dude, knife the crap outta him and save the girl and make babblers.
V man, you say hes scared of you? advantage to you. use it to its full potenial, sort that **** out.
Kicking the **** outa him before hand would probably cost me my job and earn me a criminal record + tag for a few months all to prevent something that may or may not happen.
Kicking the **** outa him after, none of the above would matter to me then....
The only option that's really left to me is to warn the bloke off her or "politely" inform him of the consequences of her getting hurt in anyway shape or form at one of his get togethers.
This I will do tomorrow I think.
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Can always rely on you to lighten to mood birdy <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
But bring a knife anyways and some underpowered handgrenades. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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Can always rely on you to lighten to mood birdy <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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as always.. nadine is right... now you know why me and her went well rofl
dude where you go from here is your choice... but have faith when i tell you.. you dont ever wanna feel that feeling. the i couldve acted but i chose not to
and to the guy who said stabbing him up wouldve been wrong... i would be happy to be some big guys prison **** so long as my ex knew she could walk around safely.. knowing that she didnt have to worry about people like him...
V, if you dont want to go physical.... my advice is.. if he is scared... put the fear of GOD into him... let him know that HE is your target.. and you are watching his every move... be careful to do this where nobody can hear you or anything...
trust me lol i am experienced in the art of well w/e the hell this is..
you can get in more trouble for threatening... then the crime itself...
i didnt say it would have been wrong, id have probably nearly done the same it was me, infact i will do if i ever meet a certain scumbag again, and if your prepared to go down for removing scum like that from society your a good man in my book, and we could do with a few more like you.
but like i said, use the fact he's scared of you, do as moquiao said, make him **** himself everytime he sees a shadow that kinda looks like you.
terror is a far stronger feeling than wanting to get jiggy
hmmm that's some food for thought you've just given me nikon........making me wonder if she's playing my stupid arse <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I've known her for about a year or so since I started this job I get on really well with her, about 2 months ago I found out she really liked me but although i care about her a lot I don't like her in that way mainly cos she's 17 im 23 and she looks like an 11 year old...... Kinda distanced myself from her in the last couple of weeks cos she has been badgering me a little bit too much by being around me all the time.
What nikon just said about women liking the drama and attention has got me wondering if this is some f**ked up attempt on her part to get me to pay attention to her by allowing herself to get involved with this weirdo.
**** i dunno what to think anymore! that bloke is still what he is but could she really be doing it on purpose just to get my attention?
damn it's late an i got work in the morning <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo--> thanks for the advice fellas especially moquiao really gonna have to meet up with you buddy and have a couple of beers some day <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I've had that happen to me a few times though on a lesser scale, where people I thought were my friends just ignored me, sufficient to say I'm not good friends with them anymore.
**** i dunno what to think anymore! that bloke is still what he is but could she really be doing it on purpose just to get my attention?
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this is a very positive factor in your case. If he truly is afraid of you, then your worries should be lesson that anything forceful will happen.
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while she may be doing it for attention, it may not be yours in particular, but attention in general. I have met WAY too many girls 15-20 that are 'attention {insert word here beings with W ends with E, and means loose woman}-thanks filter <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html//emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo--> -'. She is young, you have to accept that fact, but that doenst mean you shouldnt try to look out for her best interest. She does however have to make her own mistakes if she needs to. Inform her of your worries and best interests for her, and then she has to choose where to go from there. Dont beat yourself up over her stupidity(if indeed she is being stupid), but rest well knowing you have done all you can for her, and pray she is mature enough to do what is right and in her best interest also.
I've got access to some of the fastest vehicles known to man. I can be there fast. Believe me.
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yeah but still you couldnt hope to be as tough as me <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> after all your american j/k!
Balls of british steel here <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
and yeah V-man sounds good i need to go out with esuna for a drink too he is pretty local...
one small point
'She does however have to make her own mistakes if she needs to'
while this is true to a degree... there is mistakes.. and then the possibility of this guy being a proper dirty gimp with her...
about the attention thing... i know about it. since we have split.. my ex has cried wolf.. about being mollested.. 2 times... cos she knows even tho i cant stand her anymore that is the one thing which will always make me come running :/