<!--QuoteBegin-Align+Apr 12 2004, 11:53 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Align @ Apr 12 2004, 11:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Holding forward and strafe left, jumping, and then right on time changing to strafe right and jumping, and repeating in such a manner... <u>What's that called?</u> As long as I don't(!) move the mouse while doing that, I do speed up, noticeably. Not as much as bunnyhopping, but still. It's much easier for me to do, too.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Strafe jumping? I dont know. <a href='http://angrymonk.oesm.org/next/assault.html' target='_blank'>TFC movement info</a>
I'll be interested to use the showspeed later tonight.
I used to rock at bhopping around in Action Quake2, all those fun jumps <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
So it just naturally translated over into half-life. Fun stuff Bhopping is, I have a weird way of doing it though, it involves alot of key-strokes and lots of arrow switching ect, couldn't even try to explain it.
I dont see how a 3 jump script is worse than mwheel... you can scroll it up about 5-6+ times.... making it a 6 jump script?... Sure a bigger amount of jump script is worse, but still.
I'm curious to know what kind of ground-speeds you get as rines. As a marine you will only be able to make that "first" jump, if we ingore jumping a second/third time on a higher "level" (which we in this case indeed will ignore). I jump around at ~270 consistently. Of course, I havent practiced that much either.
Call me noob, but I find this extremely difficult.
I tried cl_showspeed 1 and all other variations... no workey. I keep strafejumping and doing whatever that site says... no faster movement. Does it help if you have higher sensitivity or lower sensitivity?
I really want to get this bunnyhopping thing down, because I just got my **** owned in CO by a bunnyhopping vet and that guy was litterally zooming everywhere... impossible to hit.
I'm not 100% sure, but I think you have to have "cheats" enabled in the server. so, cl_showspeed 1 won't be working in pubs. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Lurker-+May 4 2004, 01:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-Lurker- @ May 4 2004, 01:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Call me noob, but I find this extremely difficult.
I tried cl_showspeed 1 and all other variations... no workey. I keep strafejumping and doing whatever that site says... no faster movement. Does it help if you have higher sensitivity or lower sensitivity?
I really want to get this bunnyhopping thing down, because I just got my **** owned in CO by a bunnyhopping vet and that guy was litterally zooming everywhere... impossible to hit. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> What are you doing exactly. Ill try and help you if you tell me how ur bhoping.
<!--QuoteBegin-GuyWithSexyMouse+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (GuyWithSexyMouse)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Btw I have one of these and they pwn <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> .... Oh... my god. That's the hottest thing I have ever seen EVER. I'm going to steal it from you. :[ not really but omg I know what I want for xmas.
<!--QuoteBegin-Lurker+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lurker)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Call me noob, but I find this extremely difficult.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Don't even worry about this. I'm totally serious when I say it's like riding a bike. You might need training wheels at first, but so does everyone to some extent. If you had the chance to see a vet bhop, instead of getting owned, you should have F4'd when nobody was looking, and went spectator. It's easier to understand when you see it from first-person perspective. And like a bike, once you get it down, you will never forget how to do it, and you only get faster and faster at it. Especially using the mousewheel.
Rennex was right about lies. You should hopefully have fingers long enough so that you keep your index finger on Mouse1, and use the tip of your middle finger to roll the mousewheel the moment you hit the ground. One of the final tricks you learn with Bhopping is how to use it in the middle of a fight. I'm still working on keeping a Bhop up while fighting, usually I just use it to crash into the rine for a first bite. Kind of like never learning to use your brake pedal and just crashing into trees or bushes when you want to stop.
As for squiggle jumping, where you hit both strafe keys in the same jump with a double-mousewiggle for both directions, if you want to use the bike metaphor, this would be roughly equivalent to learning how to pop a wheelie, stand sideways on the bike using the axle pegs and bike pedal, while twisting the handlebars around in circles, while your other hand is holding on to the seat for balance. I haven't even TRIED doublestrafing yet, but I've seen it. Absolutely insane. As a marine, you can get massive speed just by doing a squiggle jump every second or two. I'm unclear about how duckjumping works with marine bhop, but maybe someone could inform us all.
You don't learn bhopping overnight, so don't worry about it. Just keep trying it. And seriously, I couldn't do it till I used mousewheel, and spectated someone to see exactly how it looked. You might be able to find demos online.
I like how people were saying dumping a Command Console in a doorway was exploiting and a bannable offence, then using a bug which makes you almost twice as fast and able to jump everywhere is suddenly accepted because people put some control emphasis on it. This is a sad time for NS.
I've tried using the cl_showspeed command in console but it just don't work cause well you have to do it with a server that has cheats enabled right? so no pubs. So I created a game but for some reason now it won't actually start until theres a player on each team or something I dunno. all that comes up is time reamining on map, WTH is that ****? someone explain. Oh, and about hte +3jumps script, I don't understand what this changes...If someone could explain that aswell?
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<!--QuoteBegin-ChkChkChk+May 5 2004, 01:30 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (ChkChkChk @ May 5 2004, 01:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> So I created a game but for some reason now it won't actually start until theres a player on each team or something I dunno. all that comes up is time reamining on map, WTH is that ****? someone explain. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Enabling cheats (sv_cheats 1) will allow the game to start without the requirement of a player on each team.
<!--QuoteBegin-RoCkIn RiCkY+May 5 2004, 07:35 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (RoCkIn RiCkY @ May 5 2004, 07:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I like how people were saying dumping a Command Console in a doorway was exploiting and a bannable offence, then using a bug which makes you almost twice as fast and able to jump everywhere is suddenly accepted because people put some control emphasis on it. This is a sad time for NS. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Wow... please
bunnyhopping has been, and is accepted in, quake 1, 2, 3, and most hl mods. Technically it's an exploit, but the community accepts it and it requires skill to use. Kind of like skiing in tribes, which also started out as an exploit but turned into a feature. It's completely different from dumping a cc in a doorway.
If you really need practice bunny hopping and need some help with movement then run up 2.0 and install a _special script. It might help you with the movement part.
<!--QuoteBegin-The Saddest Troll Ever+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (The Saddest Troll Ever)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I like how people were saying dumping a Command Console in a doorway was exploiting and a bannable offence, then using a bug which makes you almost twice as fast and able to jump everywhere is suddenly accepted because people put some control emphasis on it. This is a sad time for NS. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>I was going to start saying something about this, but I didn't get very far before realizing that nobody takes Ricky seriously anyway. :D HO HO HO.
What you do to learn to Bhop is start up your own little 1-person server, and then pull up console and enter SV_CHEATS 1. The game should start even with only you on the server. You can now practice playing the game solo. Now, enter CL_SHOWSPEED 1, and there should be numbers on your screen now somewhere telling you how fast you're going.
Basically, if you want to learn to bhop, just find the largest straight hallway you can. NS_Nothing at Viaduct Hive is a perfect place. There's lots of flat ground to practice on.
What I did to learn first was just strafe-jump in one direction. The idea is you just run forward, start strafing when you jump, and turn in the direction you're going. Roll the mousewheel when you hit the ground and you should bounce back up, and you continue holding the strafe button and turning that direction. You should notice that your getting a little faster with each turn. You can only keep this up for so long because your mouse runs out of space to turn. If you can, let go of strafe and push down strafe in the other direction, and start moving your mouse the other way. What you'll do is start Bhopping around in a figure-8. This is the point where you know that you've got it. From this point, all you do if you want to go straight is zig-zag alternating between left-strafe and right-strafe, making sure that you roll your mouse wheel the moment you hit the ground.
Also, have your little finger holding down CTRL if you're bhopping as a skulk. If you don't, you'll be sticking to the floor too much to bhop. You have to hold Crouch all the time while bhopping.
Never use the forward button after the first jump. Take your middle finger off W, and only use A and D to move.
Keep trying, and watch out for other people who can do it so you can spec them. Spectating bhoppers is what helped me learn it.</span>
<!--QuoteBegin-Swift Idiot+May 5 2004, 10:38 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swift Idiot @ May 5 2004, 10:38 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-The Saddest Troll Ever+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (The Saddest Troll Ever)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I like how people were saying dumping a Command Console in a doorway was exploiting and a bannable offence, then using a bug which makes you almost twice as fast and able to jump everywhere is suddenly accepted because people put some control emphasis on it. This is a sad time for NS. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>I was going to start saying something about this, but I didn't get very far before realizing that nobody takes Ricky seriously anyway. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> HO HO HO. .</span> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> "Ok, I'll just install some scripts that make me twice as fast and pretend they take skill to use." <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Wyattx3+Apr 12 2004, 08:14 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Wyattx3 @ Apr 12 2004, 08:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you're smart you wont need bhopping... speed-o-meter = cl_showspeed average speed for good bhopping is 600-650 w/out celerity... Bunnyhopping should only be used to get you to an area quicker never for attacking... Attacking is ambushing and killing in an instant. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> All bunnuhopping does is increase your speed, in whatever way you see it, its beneficial...
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<u>What's that called?</u> As long as I don't(!) move the mouse while doing that, I do speed up, noticeably. Not as much as bunnyhopping, but still. It's much easier for me to do, too.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Strafe jumping? I dont know.
<a href='http://angrymonk.oesm.org/next/assault.html' target='_blank'>TFC movement info</a>
<a href='http://secrets.tfccentral.org/movement.htm#wallstrafing' target='_blank'>More TFC info</a>
The info on the sites can help you in NS also.
I used to rock at bhopping around in Action Quake2, all those fun jumps <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
So it just naturally translated over into half-life. Fun stuff Bhopping is, I have a weird way of doing it though, it involves alot of key-strokes and lots of arrow switching ect, couldn't even try to explain it.
bind x "+jump;wait;-jump;wait;+jump;wait;-jump;+jump;wait;-jump;wait;-jump"
Don't have to go into your .cfg to do that. If you use it with the mouse wheel take one +jump and -jump out.
I tried cl_showspeed 1 and all other variations... no workey.
I keep strafejumping and doing whatever that site says... no faster movement.
Does it help if you have higher sensitivity or lower sensitivity?
I really want to get this bunnyhopping thing down, because I just got my **** owned in CO by a bunnyhopping vet and that guy was litterally zooming everywhere... impossible to hit.
I tried cl_showspeed 1 and all other variations... no workey.
I keep strafejumping and doing whatever that site says... no faster movement.
Does it help if you have higher sensitivity or lower sensitivity?
I really want to get this bunnyhopping thing down, because I just got my **** owned in CO by a bunnyhopping vet and that guy was litterally zooming everywhere... impossible to hit. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
What are you doing exactly. Ill try and help you if you tell me how ur bhoping.
<!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo--> .... Oh... my god. That's the hottest thing I have ever seen EVER. I'm going to steal it from you. :[ not really but omg I know what I want for xmas.
<!--QuoteBegin-Lurker+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Lurker)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Call me noob, but I find this extremely difficult.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Don't even worry about this. I'm totally serious when I say it's like riding a bike. You might need training wheels at first, but so does everyone to some extent. If you had the chance to see a vet bhop, instead of getting owned, you should have F4'd when nobody was looking, and went spectator. It's easier to understand when you see it from first-person perspective. And like a bike, once you get it down, you will never forget how to do it, and you only get faster and faster at it. Especially using the mousewheel.
Rennex was right about lies. You should hopefully have fingers long enough so that you keep your index finger on Mouse1, and use the tip of your middle finger to roll the mousewheel the moment you hit the ground. One of the final tricks you learn with Bhopping is how to use it in the middle of a fight. I'm still working on keeping a Bhop up while fighting, usually I just use it to crash into the rine for a first bite. Kind of like never learning to use your brake pedal and just crashing into trees or bushes when you want to stop.
As for squiggle jumping, where you hit both strafe keys in the same jump with a double-mousewiggle for both directions, if you want to use the bike metaphor, this would be roughly equivalent to learning how to pop a wheelie, stand sideways on the bike using the axle pegs and bike pedal, while twisting the handlebars around in circles, while your other hand is holding on to the seat for balance. I haven't even TRIED doublestrafing yet, but I've seen it. Absolutely insane. As a marine, you can get massive speed just by doing a squiggle jump every second or two. I'm unclear about how duckjumping works with marine bhop, but maybe someone could inform us all.
You don't learn bhopping overnight, so don't worry about it. Just keep trying it. And seriously, I couldn't do it till I used mousewheel, and spectated someone to see exactly how it looked. You might be able to find demos online.
someone explain.
Oh, and about hte +3jumps script, I don't understand what this changes...If someone could explain that aswell?
someone explain. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Enabling cheats (sv_cheats 1) will allow the game to start without the requirement of a player on each team.
Wow... please
bunnyhopping has been, and is accepted in, quake 1, 2, 3, and most hl mods. Technically it's an exploit, but the community accepts it and it requires skill to use. Kind of like skiing in tribes, which also started out as an exploit but turned into a feature. It's completely different from dumping a cc in a doorway.
<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>I was going to start saying something about this, but I didn't get very far before realizing that nobody takes Ricky seriously anyway. :D HO HO HO.
What you do to learn to Bhop is start up your own little 1-person server, and then pull up console and enter SV_CHEATS 1. The game should start even with only you on the server. You can now practice playing the game solo. Now, enter CL_SHOWSPEED 1, and there should be numbers on your screen now somewhere telling you how fast you're going.
Basically, if you want to learn to bhop, just find the largest straight hallway you can. NS_Nothing at Viaduct Hive is a perfect place. There's lots of flat ground to practice on.
What I did to learn first was just strafe-jump in one direction. The idea is you just run forward, start strafing when you jump, and turn in the direction you're going. Roll the mousewheel when you hit the ground and you should bounce back up, and you continue holding the strafe button and turning that direction. You should notice that your getting a little faster with each turn. You can only keep this up for so long because your mouse runs out of space to turn. If you can, let go of strafe and push down strafe in the other direction, and start moving your mouse the other way. What you'll do is start Bhopping around in a figure-8. This is the point where you know that you've got it. From this point, all you do if you want to go straight is zig-zag alternating between left-strafe and right-strafe, making sure that you roll your mouse wheel the moment you hit the ground.
Also, have your little finger holding down CTRL if you're bhopping as a skulk. If you don't, you'll be sticking to the floor too much to bhop. You have to hold Crouch all the time while bhopping.
Never use the forward button after the first jump. Take your middle finger off W, and only use A and D to move.
Keep trying, and watch out for other people who can do it so you can spec them. Spectating bhoppers is what helped me learn it.</span>
<span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>I was going to start saying something about this, but I didn't get very far before realizing that nobody takes Ricky seriously anyway. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> HO HO HO.
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"Ok, I'll just install some scripts that make me twice as fast and pretend they take skill to use." <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
All bunnuhopping does is increase your speed, in whatever way you see it, its beneficial...