Why Remove Free Roam?

Boy_who_lost_his_wings

<div class="IPBDescription">A question I have been meaning to ask.</div> Why has free roaming mode been cut? Being constantly behind someone or being in FPV get annoying. I sure many other people feel this way.

semipsychotic

Using voice comm, you can talk to living team members while dead. Being able to see the entire map would reveal too much tactical information.

xqnine

y can't you do it in spectator mode (been meaning to ask this as well)

DragonMech

Agreed. I'd like it back, as I can get the best screenshots in free-view.

BigBull

I hate the new spec mode. Its so annoying <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->

Zek

No free roam on the deathcam is fine, but it should definitely be on spectator.

Windelkron

yes.
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Sizer

There aren't any logical reasons to leave unlocked chasecam off. It's even more stupid and illogical to disable freeroam and unlocked chasecam in spectator. I don't know what they (devs) think they're accomplishing, but it isn't positive.

Pheus

I just always assumed it was a sideeffect of the new ui

Supernorn

I want it back. I like the freedom.

Delarosa

voicecomm works when your dead.
with freeroam, you can see the name of the player you are spectating
you can see behind them

look behind them, see the skulk, warn them, un-balance the game.

any questions?


yes, i know it's a small feature, and teamate warning isn't much of a problem, but it was taken out for a reason.

Maveric

Marine/Alien goes spec and into free-roam, check where everything is, "retry" in console so they rejoin the server and tell their teams what they saw.

<i><b>THAT</b></i> is why free roam and non-locked chase cam are DISABLED.

Sizer

Try again. Disable communication between dead and living players and there won't be a problem. CS has been doing it for years. Furthermore, don't allow spectators to join either team for the rest of the round. You have a similar restriction on ejected commanders - where they cannot be a comm for the rest of the round, regardless of <i>retry</i> or whatever.

Decimator

So you're saying it's that much harder to figure out where everything is just by cycling through the team in spec?

RobB

it's about the thing that you could go into the hive, spying, and the alien's wouldn't recognise, as example.

i think this isn't good for spec mode. should be back in.

clan games are recorded anyway, so you could see it in the record when someone goes spying.

and in pubs... i don't bother. there are other things that are more important - especialy lamers, idiots and noobs which wan't to get learned by other players even when the hive is under siege.

wascally_wabbit

Free roam was very useful for me, getting map screenies, and unlocked chase cam... Well, it at least gives you SOME control over what's happening =)

Perhaps just add a(nother) cvar. sv_freeroam or something

Sizer

<!--QuoteBegin-Alienplayer09061983+Mar 28 2004, 05:13 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Alienplayer09061983 @ Mar 28 2004, 05:13 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->it's about the thing that you could go into the hive, spying, and the alien's wouldn't recognise, as example.

i think this isn't good for spec mode. should be back in.

clan games are recorded anyway, so you could see it in the record when someone goes spying.

and in pubs... i don't bother. there are other things that are more important - especialy lamers, idiots and noobs which wan't to get learned by other players even when the hive is under siege.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It seems as though this wasn't nearly enough of a problem for the devs to take the matter into their own hands.

Anyone tries pulling that crap in a scrim/match, they get teh banz0r. If they do it in a pub, it won't accomplish anything and any decent admin would take action.

Cypher

Why cant you just disable it if you're on aliens/marines at the time, and enable it while your on spec? I have honestly never had a problem on a pub where someone leaves marines/aliens, spectates, and comes back to tell their team. And, if it were to be in a clan match, where things like this are more important, then they'd be banned.

I suggest NOT to remove voice comm and talking while you're dead though...That would be really annoying, NS is an EXTREMELY social game compared to other mods.

romano

The removal of free look is more of a technical issue then a gameplay one.

Basically, Flay is using mouse movements to control the spec menus (same as Commander Mode), and therefore the mouse movements can't be used to control free look mode.

Free look can be re-enabled easily using server plugins, but you have to use the keyboard to navigate..

Ajurian

<!--QuoteBegin-Hobojoe+Mar 28 2004, 05:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hobojoe @ Mar 28 2004, 05:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 10$ says it was removed to make it harder to find secret rooms and such. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I just started my own LAN server to get around this, binded some keys to up/down/left/right and went spec. If there's nobody else in the server you can free roam (hence why I made a LAN server)

Reebdoog

Why not make it like other mods, ctrl switches between the mouse being displayed, or able to control the free roam or view.

RobB

or even rightclick menu. I think it was that way in 1.04 and upper until it got removed. rightclick - menu (dis)appears.

Zek

<!--QuoteBegin-Maveric+Mar 28 2004, 04:53 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Maveric @ Mar 28 2004, 04:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Marine/Alien goes spec and into free-roam, check where everything is, "retry" in console so they rejoin the server and tell their teams what they saw.

<i><b>THAT</b></i> is why free roam and non-locked chase cam are DISABLED. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Are you serious? The way spectator mode is now, you can follow the other team's players and listen in on their voice comms, then rejoin the game and tell everyone. Free roam doesn't change that at all.

Maveric

you can actually hear the enemies VC's when they come on and you're looking at them? wow... that's ... eh ...


well, you know what i mean. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> aliens shouldn't "understand" marines and marines shouldn't "understand" aliens; thus they shouldn't be able to hear eachother's VC's.

disabling communication between dead/alive players wont work, either, because once the player spawns in they'll spew-forth all their information anyways. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo-->

RobB

<!--QuoteBegin-Maveric+Mar 29 2004, 12:47 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Maveric @ Mar 29 2004, 12:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> you can actually hear the enemies VC's when they come on and you're looking at them? wow... that's ... eh ...


well, you know what i mean. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> aliens shouldn't "understand" marines and marines shouldn't "understand" aliens; thus they shouldn't be able to hear eachother's VC's.
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no, you can't.

he means that you could go into all-time spec mode (no team) and hear what the enemy is discussing and/or planing.

voogru

<!--QuoteBegin-Delarosa+Mar 28 2004, 05:43 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Delarosa @ Mar 28 2004, 05:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> voicecomm works when your dead.
with freeroam, you can see the name of the player you are spectating
you can see behind them

look behind them, see the skulk, warn them, un-balance the game.

any questions?


yes, i know it's a small feature, and teamate warning isn't much of a problem, but it was taken out for a reason. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Should make it a cvar. I always need free roam when doing stuff in spec, and its a pain to do anything without it.<!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->

Haze

<!--QuoteBegin-romano^_^+Mar 28 2004, 05:35 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (romano^_^ @ Mar 28 2004, 05:35 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The removal of free look is more of a technical issue then a gameplay one.

Basically, Flay is using mouse movements to control the spec menus (same as Commander Mode), and therefore the mouse movements can't be used to control free look mode.

Free look can be re-enabled easily using server plugins, but you have to use the keyboard to navigate.. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Thats an easy fix. Revert it back to the old spectator controls, where ctrl toggles the cusor, that simple.

Diablo_fx

<!--QuoteBegin-Sizer+Mar 28 2004, 10:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sizer @ Mar 28 2004, 10:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Try again. Disable communication between dead and living players and there won't be a problem. CS has been doing it for years. Furthermore, don't allow spectators to join either team for the rest of the round. You have a similar restriction on ejected commanders - where they cannot be a comm for the rest of the round, regardless of <i>retry</i> or whatever. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
why do you think we use 3rd party programs to talk in? lol

Gnatsum

Hmm ?
Free roam removed ?
I always thought they just didn't implement it yet..
it is a beta..
Last time i checked...

Godhand

I dont know about you guys... but it freaks me out.. cause ill only be paying half attention to the game, and i hear the spawn sound, and i hit the ole WASD and i start moving differently then im inputting... thats bad. makes me confused, but after a few seconds i realize that im an idiot.

R_A_C

same thing happens to me all the time Godhand