Uh, it's quite obviously and completely a hoax. The shadow of the thing never looks real and doesn't line up with stuff right next to it, and it's really obvious that it's CG. Computer graphics are 99% photorealistic if you take the immense time and effort, but this isn't one of those cases.
<!--QuoteBegin-TychoCelchuuu+Mar 21 2004, 10:37 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (TychoCelchuuu @ Mar 21 2004, 10:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Uh, it's quite obviously and completely a hoax. The shadow of the thing never looks real and doesn't line up with stuff right next to it, and it's really obvious that it's CG. Computer graphics are 99% photorealistic if you take the immense time and effort, but this isn't one of those cases. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I dunno, doing that thing in CG would cost considerably more (in time and/or money) than stop-motion miniature + greenscreen.
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<!--QuoteBegin-Zig+Mar 21 2004, 06:41 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Zig @ Mar 21 2004, 06:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Liku+Mar 21 2004, 04:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Liku @ Mar 21 2004, 04:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Scythe+Mar 21 2004, 04:10 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Scythe @ Mar 21 2004, 04:10 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Very very well done.
But check the last frame in <a href='http://www.r50rd.co.uk/research/internal/v2i/engin/videos/track_test.htm' target='_blank'>this.</a>
--Scythe-- <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> What's wrong about the last frame? That he walks over and disappears? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> :o <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> That's what I said, but is that's what's wrong? Or something else, because that's too noticable, maybe it's supposed to be like that?
Apparently, the creator has made a statement as to its authenticity: <a href='http://www.seibertron.com/news/view.php?id=2561' target='_blank'>http://www.seibertron.com/news/view.php?id=2561</a>
BTW, anyone manage to find the "batery test" or "treadmil" videos?
coilAmateur pirate. Professional monkey. All pance.Join Date: 2002-04-12Member: 424Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
Poor-quality video is a good way to hide average CG, but that's pretty clearly faked. Well-faked, but faked nonetheless. The light test was the clincher for me -- the shadows *on* the robot just aren't correct.
I dont know.... I think a thing like that is hard to hoax, and just look at that innocent old man. He just doesent seem like someone to hoax something like that.
If he actually works in oxford like I understood he does, then even more of a possibility it's all real since he's smart like all people that go to oxford and since he's got a reputation.
And if he has <b>nothing</b> to do with oxford then i'ts definnately a hoax. Lie about something like that then you might aswell lie about everything.
*edit* Does <a href='http://uk.geocities.com/colinmayhewphd/' target='_blank'>this</a> man look like someone who hoaxes something that big just for fun?*edit*
FurySilver Fish Hand CatchJoin Date: 2003-08-14Member: 19673Members, Constellation
ok easy way to prove its a hoax.
Watch the lighting test. After he finishes talking and walks away, look at his shadow, its HUGE (goes from the mini on the left to where he is standing). His shadow should pass over the robot, however it goes thru it, no effect on the robot what so ever.
the right leg, yellow bit, should have a shadow passing it, but nothing.
yet another hoax.
so far scientists are upto that weirdo robot who looks like a tank and walks like a brick.
And in the lighting test, around the edges of the guy you get the "blue screen" effect, and you know someone has added something in back there and they weren't careful enough.
<!--QuoteBegin-DuBERS+Mar 22 2004, 02:52 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DuBERS @ Mar 22 2004, 02:52 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Can't belive there are people in this thead that even doubt a tiny bit that this is a hoax. Laughable.... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> that doesn't mean his actual sketches and calculations are just random numbers: it <i>can</i> be possible, in the same measure that a man can fly by running at around 200 mph or so
<!--QuoteBegin-Liku+Mar 21 2004, 05:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Liku @ Mar 21 2004, 05:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Did you watch the Car Stopping Video?
I'm not sure what it is, but I doubt it's real. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Hah, I like how giant robot "flinches" when stopping the car, who programmed that in?
<!--QuoteBegin-Cold-NiTe+Mar 21 2004, 10:18 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cold-NiTe @ Mar 21 2004, 10:18 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-CForrester+Mar 21 2004, 08:45 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CForrester @ Mar 21 2004, 08:45 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It looks like a Transformer. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It <i>is</i> a Transformer.
<i><b>And so it begins...</b></i> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> i know id buy one <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
and yeah it is pritty ovoius its a hox but it is very well done none the less
<!--QuoteBegin-DaMu+Mar 22 2004, 04:26 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DaMu @ Mar 22 2004, 04:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I dont know.... I think a thing like that is hard to hoax, and just look at that innocent old man. He just doesent seem like someone to hoax something like that.
If he actually works in oxford like I understood he does, then even more of a possibility it's all real since he's smart like all people that go to oxford and since he's got a reputation.
And if he has <b>nothing</b> to do with oxford then i'ts definnately a hoax. Lie about something like that then you might aswell lie about everything.
*edit* Does <a href='http://uk.geocities.com/colinmayhewphd/' target='_blank'>this</a> man look like someone who hoaxes something that big just for fun?*edit* <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The most likely explaination is that this was all done as an alternative form of advertisement for some new alternator (at least, thats what everybody seems to think it is). Logically then this character would be fictitious.
I still think this could be done better with greenscreen and stop motion miniatures than with CG, not to mention cheaper. But if they have BMWs marketing budget behind it then it could easily be afforded.
It's a very well done hoax... Very well done. The movements are good, and the machine itself looks awesome enough to be desirable, which the marketing people are counting on.
Unfortunately, the guy didn't cast a shadow onto the machine itself, which gave it away. Also, the machine's movements looked a little too 'perfect' if you know what I mean.
They <b>so</b> have to make a CG Transformers series with robots that look like this. It would simply be the height of coolness.
Pity it's a hoax... I wanted one for myself so I could pick up people's cars and scare the bejesus out of them <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Actually, it's probably better that I don't have one, because I would probably reprogram it to destroy everything in its path (woo fun) and destroy the whole planet one building at a time doing so.
OK, I wanted to think this was real but the lighting video gave it away, think about this:
1. British dude. Honest to God, known fact, British people sound damn smart when they talk, a british dude could say, "I pooped on my car and ran oh so far." And it would mesmerize everyone.
2. Smooth Motions. NO WAY IN HELL. NOT POSSIBLE. The animation is too smooth, a real robot would jerk around, while this thing moves smooth and easy.
3. Working around Green Screens I can tell you this is what they used to project the old man in front of the robot in the lighting test. Notice how he walks completely off-screen? Why? Why not stay on? Because it wouldn't look realistic, because he isn't really standing in front of a robot, hence the lack of a shadow on the robot.
<!--QuoteBegin-DarkATi+Mar 23 2004, 10:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkATi @ Mar 23 2004, 10:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 2. Smooth Motions. NO WAY IN HELL. NOT POSSIBLE. The animation is too smooth, a real robot would jerk around, while this thing moves smooth and easy. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Have you seen Sony's robot dance? Today's robots dont move as naturally as on these videos, but they dont jerk around like in an old sci fi movie either.
Eh, the place where I work has a robotic arm that remotely moves 3ft rods of metal around. Thing is it's totally automated and can even catch a rod that it dropped in mid air.
Pretty damn impressive to see.
I know that this doesnt have much to do with this robot, but we are actually geting close to having pretty fluid motions in robotics.
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->1. British dude. Honest to God, known fact, British people sound damn smart when they talk, a british dude could say, "I pooped on my car and ran oh so far." And it would mesmerize everyone.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Guiness Scientist #1: "Poop on your car you say?! BRILLIANT!"
Guiness Scientist #2: "Yes, and it stunk up the place too."
Guiness Scientist #1: "Poop on your car to stink up the place!? BRILLIANT!"
coilAmateur pirate. Professional monkey. All pance.Join Date: 2002-04-12Member: 424Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
<!--QuoteBegin-BloodySloth+Mar 23 2004, 11:16 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BloodySloth @ Mar 23 2004, 11:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-DarkATi+Mar 23 2004, 10:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkATi @ Mar 23 2004, 10:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 2. Smooth Motions. NO WAY IN HELL. NOT POSSIBLE. The animation is too smooth, a real robot would jerk around, while this thing moves smooth and easy. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Have you seen Sony's robot dance? Today's robots dont move as naturally as on these videos, but they dont jerk around like in an old sci fi movie either. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> The larger the robot, the harder it is to have non-jerky movements. A robot the size of a car has a *lot* of inertia.
<!--QuoteBegin-coil+Mar 23 2004, 01:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (coil @ Mar 23 2004, 01:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-BloodySloth+Mar 23 2004, 11:16 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BloodySloth @ Mar 23 2004, 11:16 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-DarkATi+Mar 23 2004, 10:54 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (DarkATi @ Mar 23 2004, 10:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 2. Smooth Motions. NO WAY IN HELL. NOT POSSIBLE. The animation is too smooth, a real robot would jerk around, while this thing moves smooth and easy. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Have you seen Sony's robot dance? Today's robots dont move as naturally as on these videos, but they dont jerk around like in an old sci fi movie either. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> The larger the robot, the harder it is to have non-jerky movements. A robot the size of a car has a *lot* of inertia. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Exactly.
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I want this to be real.... because i want one.
[stupid conspiracy] maybe it WAS real. And the reason we haven't heard anything about it recently was because the JAPANESE heard about it and thought "oh em gee he's got a better robot than us" and they sent some assassins around and killed the bloke and stoled his robot and that's why we have those cool little dancing ones [/stupid conspiracy]
besides all the stuff mentioned, notice how there is always some kind of white screen behind it? It to hide that they couldn't blend it in quite right considereing how complicated the area they were in was. Really nicely done though.
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I dunno, doing that thing in CG would cost considerably more (in time and/or money) than stop-motion miniature + greenscreen.
But check the last frame in <a href='http://www.r50rd.co.uk/research/internal/v2i/engin/videos/track_test.htm' target='_blank'>this.</a>
--Scythe-- <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
What's wrong about the last frame? That he walks over and disappears? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
:o <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's what I said, but is that's what's wrong? Or something else, because that's too noticable, maybe it's supposed to be like that?
BTW, anyone manage to find the "batery test" or "treadmil" videos?
and just look at that innocent old man. He just doesent
seem like someone to hoax something like that.
If he actually works in oxford like I understood
he does, then even more of a possibility it's all real
since he's smart like all people that go to oxford
and since he's got a reputation.
And if he has <b>nothing</b> to do with oxford then i'ts definnately
a hoax. Lie about something like that then you might aswell
lie about everything.
*edit* Does <a href='http://uk.geocities.com/colinmayhewphd/' target='_blank'>this</a> man look like someone who hoaxes something that big just for fun?*edit*
Watch the lighting test. After he finishes talking and walks away, look at his shadow, its HUGE (goes from the mini on the left to where he is standing). His shadow should pass over the robot, however it goes thru it, no effect on the robot what so ever.
the right leg, yellow bit, should have a shadow passing it, but nothing.
yet another hoax.
so far scientists are upto that weirdo robot who looks like a tank and walks like a brick.
EDIT:: Yup, light tracking indeed. Watch as he walks by the "robot" and his shadow is not projected on the robot, but THROUGH it.
<a href='http://www.r50rd.co.uk/research/internal/v2i/engin/videos/light_test.htm' target='_blank'>Opps, forgot link!</a> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I win! <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
that doesn't mean his actual sketches and calculations are just random numbers: it <i>can</i> be possible, in the same measure that a man can fly by running at around 200 mph or so
<a href='http://www.r50rd.co.uk/research/internal/v2i/engin/videos/stop_test.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.r50rd.co.uk/research/internal/v...s/stop_test.htm</a>
I'm not sure what it is, but I doubt it's real. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hah, I like how giant robot "flinches" when stopping the car, who programmed that in?
It <i>is</i> a Transformer.
<i><b>And so it begins...</b></i> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
i know id buy one <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
and yeah it is pritty ovoius its a hox but it is very well done none the less
and just look at that innocent old man. He just doesent
seem like someone to hoax something like that.
If he actually works in oxford like I understood
he does, then even more of a possibility it's all real
since he's smart like all people that go to oxford
and since he's got a reputation.
And if he has <b>nothing</b> to do with oxford then i'ts definnately
a hoax. Lie about something like that then you might aswell
lie about everything.
*edit* Does <a href='http://uk.geocities.com/colinmayhewphd/' target='_blank'>this</a> man look like someone who hoaxes something that big just for fun?*edit* <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
The most likely explaination is that this was all done as an alternative form of advertisement for some new alternator (at least, thats what everybody seems to think it is). Logically then this character would be fictitious.
I still think this could be done better with greenscreen and stop motion miniatures than with CG, not to mention cheaper. But if they have BMWs marketing budget behind it then it could easily be afforded.
Unfortunately, the guy didn't cast a shadow onto the machine itself, which gave it away. Also, the machine's movements looked a little too 'perfect' if you know what I mean.
They <b>so</b> have to make a CG Transformers series with robots that look like this. It would simply be the height of coolness.
Pity it's a hoax... I wanted one for myself so I could pick up people's cars and scare the bejesus out of them <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Actually, it's probably better that I don't have one, because I would probably reprogram it to destroy everything in its path (woo fun) and destroy the whole planet one building at a time doing so.
1. British dude. Honest to God, known fact, British people sound damn smart when they talk, a british dude could say, "I pooped on my car and ran oh so far." And it would mesmerize everyone.
2. Smooth Motions. NO WAY IN HELL. NOT POSSIBLE. The animation is too smooth, a real robot would jerk around, while this thing moves smooth and easy.
3. Working around Green Screens I can tell you this is what they used to project the old man in front of the robot in the lighting test. Notice how he walks completely off-screen? Why? Why not stay on? Because it wouldn't look realistic, because he isn't really standing in front of a robot, hence the lack of a shadow on the robot.
4. Did I mention British people sound smart?
~ DarkATi
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Have you seen Sony's robot dance? Today's robots dont move as naturally as on these videos, but they dont jerk around like in an old sci fi movie either.
Pretty damn impressive to see.
I know that this doesnt have much to do with this robot, but we are actually geting close to having pretty fluid motions in robotics.
Guiness Scientist #1: "Poop on your car you say?! BRILLIANT!"
Guiness Scientist #2: "Yes, and it stunk up the place too."
Guiness Scientist #1: "Poop on your car to stink up the place!? BRILLIANT!"
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Have you seen Sony's robot dance? Today's robots dont move as naturally as on these videos, but they dont jerk around like in an old sci fi movie either. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
The larger the robot, the harder it is to have non-jerky movements. A robot the size of a car has a *lot* of inertia.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Have you seen Sony's robot dance? Today's robots dont move as naturally as on these videos, but they dont jerk around like in an old sci fi movie either. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The larger the robot, the harder it is to have non-jerky movements. A robot the size of a car has a *lot* of inertia. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Exactly.
~ DarkATi
[stupid conspiracy] maybe it WAS real. And the reason we haven't heard anything about it recently was because the JAPANESE heard about it and thought "oh em gee he's got a better robot than us" and they sent some assassins around and killed the bloke and stoled his robot and that's why we have those cool little dancing ones [/stupid conspiracy]
I'm sorry.... i've just been so bored recently.
oh um geez we betta steal-aa da wobot!
Really nicely done though.