I've Just Installed Linux.
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Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9374Members, Constellation
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<div class="IPBDescription">but... why?</div> so, yeah, I just installed linux.
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but why should I use linux? Do I need it?
I can do everything I want right now using XP
(why did I install it in the first place?? o_O)
linux enthousiasts/zealots <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo--> can you please tell me why I should be using linux instead of <a href='http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002-07-22&res=l' target='_blank'>Micro$oft</a>'s XP?
yes, I like the "free as in beer" part, but I have an XP license lying around here somewhere, so I guess XP is 'paid' for & legal.
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but why should I use linux? Do I need it?
I can do everything I want right now using XP
(why did I install it in the first place?? o_O)
linux enthousiasts/zealots <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo--> can you please tell me why I should be using linux instead of <a href='http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002-07-22&res=l' target='_blank'>Micro$oft</a>'s XP?
yes, I like the "free as in beer" part, but I have an XP license lying around here somewhere, so I guess XP is 'paid' for & legal.
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but why should I use linux? Do I need it?
I can do everything I want right now using XP
(why did I install it in the first place?? o_O)
linux enthousiasts/zealots <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo--> can you please tell me why I should be using linux instead of <a href='http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2002-07-22&res=l' target='_blank'>Micro$oft</a>'s XP?
yes, I like the "free as in beer" part, but I have an XP license lying around here somewhere, so I guess XP is 'paid' for & legal. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Well, any information at all in the world is free. I've always looked at Linux as more of a hobby than a way of life for the sheer fact 1.) Lack of installers 2.)No native games support. Change that and I'm in.
It's great! Keep it! Only bad thing, games. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
yes.
yes it is.
But I <3 KDE
and I just wanted to see if it would nuke my master boot record. (AGAIN)
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that has to be the most stupid reason ever to install an OS,
I guess I'm a bit of a masochist o_O
btw, Xfree86/KDE using Cygwin ran -incredibly- slow last time I tested it, have there been any improvements lately?
The main reason why I'm not installing Linux is that I know I <i>can't</i> survive without the games. We're using it at uni, and I do like the power of the command line. The thing is, I just got a hold of a bash interpreter for Windows and off I went.
It's more of a fault of the game developers that there ain't much native games in Linux. Sure, there are all Unreal's and Quake's for you to play native, Enemy Territory and America's Army.
I truly respect Epic. In my eyes, they are the best game developers ever. They actually give us native linux clients to play with! Unlike those lazy bums at Valve, who can't even whip up a linux client of Steam. Hmpph, pathetic.
I'm currently using Slackware 9.1 with Dropline Gnome, and I simply can't turn back to Windows anymore. It's like getting used to an internet connection of 5 megs, and then going back to 56k. I've already installed linux to most of my friend's computers and they love it.
But you know, if you need people to tell you why you should use linux, you propably shouldn't. Just stick to the horrible products of Microsoft and enjoy a fun live full of viruses and errors, and a confusing and unreliable config system (registry is a horrible thing, do something wrong and the WHOLE OS won't boot). Plus you won't be knowing what stuff you have on your OS. On linux you get to tailor a kernel that fits you the best, instead of what Microsof thinks that fits you the best. But it's your decision. If you stay with Windows, go ahead. The _ONLY_ thing Windows has better over Linux is games. For all commercial and free software on Windows there is usually an equally good or a better linux proggy.
What distro did you install btw? The distro I installed for all of my friends is <a href='http://linux.college.ch' target='_blank'>Collegelinux</a>, it's easy to use, but not easy as in Lindows or something like that.
Uh wouldn't that be fairly pointless?
Unless all you wanted to do was play Half-Life. (And even then I'm not sure that would work)
But Half-Life 2 would be a definate no-no. Direct X, something MicroSoft won't port to Linux.
And anyway Linux users only count for a very small amount of PC users? Why waste money and development on a version of Steam that many people aren't going to use?
If you don't need it, you probably won't use it. I don't use if very often, but it's still here <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
oh well, I've still got the thing burned on cd, if I need it I'll know where to find it.
<i>"What distro did you install btw?"</i>
Mandrake 10 community edition or something
fast, stable, userfriendly*, excellent hardware support (on my pc anyway..)
*userfriendly being a relative thing of course, it's still linux.. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
btw, I don't have any trojans/other crap on my pc, I'm a Firefox user =)
and tweaking the registry and turning off some services also makes things a lot faster/more stable.
thanks for the advice <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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omg, I have to remove lilo and I can't find my XP cd..
and my primairy partition is ntfs, so I can't use a bootdisk..
ARGH.
is there any other way to run fdisk /mbr?
btw, I reeaaallly don't want to see LI 01 01 01 01 01 01 again <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->....
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oh great, no fdisk in xp...
I fail to see how Microsoft makes horrible products. Their programmers are competent and know what they're doing. They make a good product and then, once bugs are discovered, fix them with patches.
If you set your system up properly, you won't get viruses, trojans and spyware.
Don't try to claim that Linux doesn't have errors, either. It might have a few less errors, but it's still got errors so Linux is technically full of errors, too.
If you don't know what you're doing in the registry, STAY OUT OF IT. Unless you're a tweaker who wants to get the most performance out of Windows, you won't even be touching things that can break your OS. If you go somewhere and change something without full knowledge of what it does and that breaks your OS, that's your fault, not Microsoft's.
I can't argue the kernel thing, but it's not like what Microsoft "thinks fits you the best" is that horrible, anyway. You still get good performance if you have a half-decent PC.
And about the software... I don't WANT to switch programs. I've been using Trillian for about 3 years now, I'm satisfied with it and don't want a different program. A reason I won't switch over to Linux is because there aren't enough of the programs I use on Linux. I'm not going to emulate it either, because performance will almost 100% of the time be worse than in Windows. Why should I emulate a program in Linux when I can just run it natively in Windows?
And about equal or better Linux programs... Where are all the games? This is one of the top reasons I'm not switching over. The reason there aren't many Linux versions of games is because Linux is not popular enough to warrant spending more money making a Linux client. Also, because a lot of developers are using DirectX and Microsoft isn't about to port that to another operating system. (And don't insult DirectX, I think it's great and, apparently, so do the developers, otherwise they wouldn't use it.)
Good luck to you once MonsE finds your post.
In all honesty though, Microsoft makes a damn fine OS, its just the "in thing" to prove your l337ness by bashing them.
I need to go sacrafice a goat to him, be right back. Or, because I'm on the internet, I'll have to sacrafice a goatse.
(Ba-Dum-Bum KSH!)
Partion magic is giving me the following error:
INIT Failed: Error 117
Partition's drive letter cannot be identified
o_O
I'm screwed.
I guess I'll never use linux again, it's not worth the risk..
Go microsoft?
What is your configuration anyway?
I have no idea what this is related to, it just doesn't make sense that you could create a new partition and then not use it. Anyway, I'm sure you could find a partition resizer that isn't brain dead if you looked around a little. SuSE comes with one built in IIRC...
I use Windows XP. I'm reasonably satisfied with it. I don't have a problem with the piece of software itself. I do have a problem with the marketing campaign. It could well be that the Windows series isn't the piece of crap it's made out to be, but without viable alternatives we may never know.
No, Cygwin is slow. It'll pretty much always be slow. XFree86 is also relatively slow (compared to CLI), which only amplifies when subjected to the spork-lobotomy that is cygwin.
You really have no reason to switch to Linux unless you know why you want to switch. For me, it's because I want to have a computer, instead of a crib-toy with shiny colors and flashing lights. I want to know my machine, tune and optimize it. I want things to run FAST, even without overclocking. I want to optimize the core of my operating system so it doesn't have a few hundred megs of cruft to let that OS work on hardware I don't own, and likely NEVER will own.
I want an OS that I can get a patch for, within five minutes of a bug being discovered. I want to be able to MAKE that patch myself, if I feel like it and understand the code.
If I want an overgrown console, I just reboot into the tiny Windows partition I keep for when a game doesn't have a Linux client, and the Wine/X support isn't up to snuff just yet.
In short, Linux and BSD are for those who are semi-serious about computers, but don't want to program their very own OS.
That and ISP tech support hamsters will <i>listen</i> to you if you say you're running a Linux machine, and the problem *is* actually on their end. Heck, I've gotten patched through to the local NOC once, just to explain what was happening with our local DSLAM. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
First off: Its like the rule for mods, "Don't make a mod for a game 3 people own, when there is the 3000 person alternative".
Secondly, its not more stable. Thats a overused idiocy statement that just isn't true. Windows just gets hacked more, for reason #1.
Third, there isn't any games on it other than the Unreal Series(no matter how sweet those are)...
I may move if I ever need it for programming, but I'd still much rather use Windows(though I do plan one day to make my own OS, as my "Magnum Opus" kind of a thing.
So then. Something about the stability being a myth? What was that? How about the not needing to reboot bit, when you install new software or update a driver? Just tell the kernel to unhook the old one, and hook in the new one. Boom, done.
Games: Unreal, Quake 3, RTCW and RTCW:ET, Tribes 2, Uplink... are we counting the ones that run under Wine/WineX, or just the native ones? Steam actually ran FASTER under WineX for three patches. But that's losing the initial point of if you are SERIOUS ABOUT COMPUTERS. Not video games, neccessarily.
Oh, and if you're programming on Linux, you can cross-compile for Windows. You'll just have a better IDE to work with than that Visual C++ crap. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Again. If you're serious about computing, you go for Linux or BSD. In the meantime, actually learn a bit before spouting preconceptions. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Lets just say windows I had to turn down the graphics but Linux had to max it out (it ran to fast) note it was the Linux version not emulating on wine.
Unless all you wanted to do was play Half-Life. (And even then I'm not sure that would work)
But Half-Life 2 would be a definate no-no. Direct X, something MicroSoft won't port to Linux.
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Sure, it's a fact that Microsoft has a monopoly with the OS market at the moment. But that doesn't mean that Linux has a tiny amount of users. I'm sure there are lots of people that buy every native-working linux game that they can. I do. I've been playing UT2004 for two days in a row and I'm going to buy every damn game Epic is going to make native for linux. And I'm pretty sure that making a linux client version is worth the effort.
And well normal Half-Life works 100% atm, but only emulated with Wine. And there is no need to port Direct X to linux. We have Simple Direct Media Layer (SDL) already. Besides I thought Valve already said that they will make a linux version of Half-Life 2. What I'm waiting for is Steam so I could play Natural Selection with linux...
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Third, there isn't any games on it other than the Unreal Series(no matter how sweet those are)...
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Huh? Does the word Quake ring a bell <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> ? It's a sad fact that there ain't many native linux games that are worth mentioning. Sure you can find tons of little games from places such as www.happypenguin.org, but there is a lack of native commercial games.
But every game I would right now play with Windows work fine with Linux. EXCEPT Steam.
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And about the software... I don't WANT to switch programs. I've been using Trillian for about 3 years now, I'm satisfied with it and don't want a different program. A reason I won't switch over to Linux is because there aren't enough of the programs I use on Linux. I'm not going to emulate it either, because performance will almost 100% of the time be worse than in Windows. Why should I emulate a program in Linux when I can just run it natively in Windows?
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Ofcourse there is no reason for you to switch to linux if you are happy with Windows! But some people just find linux better. I do. Just one thing I found weird with what you said here. "A reason I won't switch over to Linux is because there aren't enough of the programs I use on Linux (Windows you prolly meant)". There are hella loads of programs for Linux. I have not yet found a windows program that doesn't have a similar program for linux. If your a Trillian user, you will propably fall in love with GAIM. I used Messenger, so Al's Messenger is perfect for me on linux. Winamp users have XMMS, Firefox users have Firefox, Bittorrent users have many clients (I use Gnome-Bittorrent), for WinRar etc. users there are Ark, Fileroller, unrar, for Nero users there is Grip, K3b, cdrecord. Hell, there's even an alternative program for WinTV called Tvtime which I can use to watch TV with my Hauppage tv-card. And emulating a program doesn't mean that it's slower. I still get 100 fps in normal Half-Life.
so I just used the mandrake setup program, with that gui fdisk thing that comes with it I deleted the linux partition (but had to create a veery small one, because I HAD to mount the root o_O)
but now I can't delete anything on my 2nd partition (linux was a 3rd one) and according to what data I can access about my partition table it's <b>totally</b> fubar.
"unused" space on my disk = the exact size of my 2nd partition..
*sigh* low level format....
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Well Flayra uses that crap to develop NS... Valve use it to develop HL 2... and used it for HL.
But yeah I prefer C++Builder, except for the source editor. And it can do Qt clients.
.. seriously?
Well, that kind of explains why they took the option out of modern BIOSes...
thanks for the warning!
so I just used the mandrake setup program, with that gui fdisk thing that comes with it I deleted the linux partition (but had to create a veery small one, because I HAD to mount the root o_O)
but now I can't delete anything on my 2nd partition (linux was a 3rd one) and according to what data I can access about my partition table it's <b>totally</b> fubar.
"unused" space on my disk = the exact size of my 2nd partition..
*sigh* low level format.... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
wait, dont format yet! You can still save it. As long as you have a bootable Linux-on-a-CD thingy (Knoppix), connection to the internet, and a faint memory of your partition table before, you should be able to save (well, recreate) your partition table.
I can go into more detail if you care about the data on your drive (doesnt seem like it tho, you fresh installed, and is ready to format again). But if you are interested, take a look at the gpart tool for linux (use with Knoppix), and/or findpart tool for windows (if you can somehow boot that).
On a side note, I GOT STEAM WORKING! I mean, finally <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> . Just came here to the forums to dl some models and now I'm off to play Natural Selection on Slackware <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo--> . \o/