Yes it was; that cloaking effect used to be near-instant. Now it takes forever to work (which kinda makes SC chambers useless in combats -bite in, disappear, another bite, disappear...)
My only beef with the newer versions is the fact they have imlemented many new things instead of firstly trying to balancing the rest out. But since its still a beta I guess they can do that <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin-Tails+Mar 10 2004, 08:45 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tails @ Mar 10 2004, 08:45 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yes it was; that cloaking effect used to be near-instant. Now it takes forever to work (which kinda makes SC chambers useless in combats -bite in, disappear, another bite, disappear...) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> With lv. 3 cloaking it takes 1 second to cloak
With lv. 1 cloaking it takes 3 seconds to cloak
A sensory chamber takes 2 seconds to cloak you, but you can move freely in a sensory chambers range.
If you ask me all the forms of cloaking work great and are very balanced.
Also, SC's have focus, which is perhaps one of the best abilities in the game for aliens.
Generally, I would agree that 3.0 is better/more fun than 1.04. There are things that I miss though. Like lerk not being a pain in the butt, fade being a tank, and grenade launcher being weaker yet faster. On the lerk: leet lerks being gods and nub lerks sporespamming- not effective, but annoying. On the fade: no more instant teleport, so I suck now, and acid rocket is just an annoyance rather than a threat. Meta is cool though, now that it gives energy. On the GL: nuke launcher now, spam launcher then. I think I prefer the weak spam over the extremely powerful but slower spam.
Also, combat is nice for me to practise on leap pwnage. Most classic games so far have been plain annoying since the alien team always...sucked. Not in balance, just the players. Which is why I only play Ns ever other day now.
btw paralyze was leet when you learned that it was hitscan, it<<stomp any day.
1.04 is a much different game then 3.0. I think the graphics, the balance, and the errors are much better in 3.0. The way the skulls bit in 1.04 was all messed up and some other errors were huge. In clan matches marines would always win(jp+hmg=gg). But I would say I thought 1.04 was more fun at times and I didnt mind playing hour long games. The thing I hated the most was some noob going gorg in 1.04 totally messing everythign up. I do hate how everyone plays combat only now and I do not like the new maps <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I think that all versions of NS have their good points and their bad
1.04 for instance had the jp which kinda ruined clan games and the balance between co_ and ns_ still need a little tweeking. Anyway my point is that NS is not getting worse only 'wait for it' <a href='http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=evolving' target='_blank'>evolving</a>. So sit down and dont put your arms or legs outside the carriage
<!--QuoteBegin-Rennex+Mar 10 2004, 11:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rennex @ Mar 10 2004, 11:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You're all still playing this mod, what does that tell you? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I play it a lot less than I did in 1.04. Like I keep saying, 1.04 with bug fixes would have been the best way to go.
<!--QuoteBegin-i'm lost+Mar 10 2004, 03:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (i'm lost @ Mar 10 2004, 03:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Rennex+Mar 10 2004, 11:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rennex @ Mar 10 2004, 11:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You're all still playing this mod, what does that tell you? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I play it a lot less than I did in 1.04. Like I keep saying, 1.04 with bug fixes would have been the best way to go. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Saying something is 'fun' is subjective. Everyone has their own opinion. The fact that you and others still play this mod that was released over a year ago is testimony to the statement "Natural-Selection 3.0 is a fun game!".
<!--QuoteBegin-Rennex+Mar 10 2004, 03:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rennex @ Mar 10 2004, 03:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-i'm lost+Mar 10 2004, 03:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (i'm lost @ Mar 10 2004, 03:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Rennex+Mar 10 2004, 11:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rennex @ Mar 10 2004, 11:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You're all still playing this mod, what does that tell you? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I play it a lot less than I did in 1.04. Like I keep saying, 1.04 with bug fixes would have been the best way to go. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Saying something is 'fun' is subjective. Everyone has their own opinion. The fact that you and others still play this mod that was released over a year ago is testimony to the statement "Natural-Selection 3.0 is a fun game!". <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Wow. Rennex brought up a good point.
<!--QuoteBegin-Forlorn+Mar 10 2004, 04:40 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Mar 10 2004, 04:40 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Rennex+Mar 10 2004, 03:39 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rennex @ Mar 10 2004, 03:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-i'm lost+Mar 10 2004, 03:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (i'm lost @ Mar 10 2004, 03:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Rennex+Mar 10 2004, 11:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rennex @ Mar 10 2004, 11:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You're all still playing this mod, what does that tell you? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I play it a lot less than I did in 1.04. Like I keep saying, 1.04 with bug fixes would have been the best way to go. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Saying something is 'fun' is subjective. Everyone has their own opinion. The fact that you and others still play this mod that was released over a year ago is testimony to the statement "Natural-Selection 3.0 is a fun game!". <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Wow. Rennex brought up a good point.
*screenshot* <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Woh, I have to agree with that.
Yeah, it's fun for the most part, but there's some little things that <b>really</b> get on your nerves after a while (3rd hive not being good for much more than another chamber for example).
<!--QuoteBegin-weggy+Mar 10 2004, 01:22 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (weggy @ Mar 10 2004, 01:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> 1.04 to 2.0 was a good improvement.
I dont really like 3.0 though. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> i was gonna say that weggy...
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->- Know you do not have lamers in your team<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> this isnt always true, sneakyventalationman seemed good when we recruted him, but when we layed down a rule he didnt like, well, lets say hes dishonerable, not acceptable in our clan.
if you ask me, mix 2 and 3, and remove co, and there you have it, Best NS version ever.
things i like most of 3.0 are the nice new textures, there nice, and focus, thats also nice.
<!--QuoteBegin-i'm lost+Mar 10 2004, 03:23 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (i'm lost @ Mar 10 2004, 03:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-Rennex+Mar 10 2004, 11:29 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Rennex @ Mar 10 2004, 11:29 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You're all still playing this mod, what does that tell you? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I play it a lot less than I did in 1.04. Like I keep saying, 1.04 with bug fixes would have been the best way to go. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I just cant say if either (1.0x's or 3.0b's) are clearly ahead of each other. Yes, the new NS has a lot of improvements, but a lot of fun things has been cut in the name of performance (mass and earlier webbing, optionally laser mines, reduced buildings per area). Also, the reduced importance of hives (lowered cost, health, and strings attached to it) has dramatically reduced the amount of those large, meaningful battles.
Other than that, everything else is an improvement in the current version of NS.
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SC weren't nerfed <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes they were rine's can't fart anymore
Maybe I miss the old gorge :/
With lv. 3 cloaking it takes 1 second to cloak
With lv. 1 cloaking it takes 3 seconds to cloak
A sensory chamber takes 2 seconds to cloak you, but you can move freely in a sensory chambers range.
If you ask me all the forms of cloaking work great and are very balanced.
Also, SC's have focus, which is perhaps one of the best abilities in the game for aliens.
There are things that I miss though. Like lerk not being a pain in the butt, fade being a tank, and grenade launcher being weaker yet faster.
On the lerk: leet lerks being gods and nub lerks sporespamming- not effective, but annoying.
On the fade: no more instant teleport, so I suck now, and acid rocket is just an annoyance rather than a threat. Meta is cool though, now that it gives energy.
On the GL: nuke launcher now, spam launcher then. I think I prefer the weak spam over the extremely powerful but slower spam.
Also, combat is nice for me to practise on leap pwnage. Most classic games so far have been plain annoying since the alien team always...sucked. Not in balance, just the players. Which is why I only play Ns ever other day now.
btw paralyze was leet when you learned that it was hitscan, it<<stomp any day.
Sure there are changes, but now almost any strat is viable as a starting hive. / Marine tech.
More options = good
no more: OM<G GET JPS !!! nUB CoM W/ HEAv ARMR!! OGMM>>>!!
1.04 for instance had the jp which kinda ruined clan games and the balance between co_ and ns_ still need a little tweeking. Anyway my point is that NS is not getting worse only 'wait for it' <a href='http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=evolving' target='_blank'>evolving</a>. So sit down and dont put your arms or legs outside the carriage
I play it a lot less than I did in 1.04. Like I keep saying, 1.04 with bug fixes would have been the best way to go.
I play it a lot less than I did in 1.04. Like I keep saying, 1.04 with bug fixes would have been the best way to go. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Saying something is 'fun' is subjective. Everyone has their own opinion. The fact that you and others still play this mod that was released over a year ago is testimony to the statement "Natural-Selection 3.0 is a fun game!".
Apart from that it's much better now.
I play it a lot less than I did in 1.04. Like I keep saying, 1.04 with bug fixes would have been the best way to go. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Saying something is 'fun' is subjective. Everyone has their own opinion. The fact that you and others still play this mod that was released over a year ago is testimony to the statement "Natural-Selection 3.0 is a fun game!". <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow. Rennex brought up a good point.
*screenshot*
I play it a lot less than I did in 1.04. Like I keep saying, 1.04 with bug fixes would have been the best way to go. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Saying something is 'fun' is subjective. Everyone has their own opinion. The fact that you and others still play this mod that was released over a year ago is testimony to the statement "Natural-Selection 3.0 is a fun game!". <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Wow. Rennex brought up a good point.
*screenshot* <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Woh, I have to agree with that.
I dont really like 3.0 though. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
i was gonna say that weggy...
<!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->- Know you do not have lamers in your team<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
this isnt always true, sneakyventalationman seemed good when we recruted him, but when we layed down a rule he didnt like, well, lets say hes dishonerable, not acceptable in our clan.
if you ask me, mix 2 and 3, and remove co, and there you have it, Best NS version ever.
things i like most of 3.0 are the nice new textures, there nice, and focus, thats also nice.
I play it a lot less than I did in 1.04. Like I keep saying, 1.04 with bug fixes would have been the best way to go. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I just cant say if either (1.0x's or 3.0b's) are clearly ahead of each other. Yes, the new NS has a lot of improvements, but a lot of fun things has been cut in the name of performance (mass and earlier webbing, optionally laser mines, reduced buildings per area). Also, the reduced importance of hives (lowered cost, health, and strings attached to it) has dramatically reduced the amount of those large, meaningful battles.
Other than that, everything else is an improvement in the current version of NS.