Conmen
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Join Date: 2003-05-09 Member: 16168Members
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<div class="IPBDescription">whats your View morally.</div> ok this all spawned from yes.. a tv show.... altho one of the most cleverly written shows i have ever watched, its called hustle. and its a team of conmen/women
they manage to pull of some very elaborate stuff... which when you th ink about it and the concept.. would work.
make me wonder... morally.. is conning people wrong? like.. it takes alot of skill to do it right. and well.
just wondered where you guys stand on it?
they manage to pull of some very elaborate stuff... which when you th ink about it and the concept.. would work.
make me wonder... morally.. is conning people wrong? like.. it takes alot of skill to do it right. and well.
just wondered where you guys stand on it?
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a conman.. seeks out rich people.. (im nto talking your avrage dodgy rolex salesman here) and will sting them. surely it is a case of.. oh well.. ur rich.. boo hoo.
they manage to pull of some very elaborate stuff... which when you th ink about it and the concept.. would work.
make me wonder... morally.. is conning people wrong? like.. it takes alot of skill to do it right. and well.
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So does murder, to do it properly. Should that be celebrated?
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A lot of them also prey on the elderly.
IMHO, conmen don't necessarily seek out the rich--like a mugger, they seek weak targets. But where a mugger may look for someone who is physically frail, conmen aim for those emotionally or mentally frail.
He didn't steal it, they gave it to him.
i.e
you manage to get somebody pretty rich to put in 1k into a film thing cos you are short.. so you then give him back 20k. you do this from your own funds.. its like the bait. then.. you setup the big one. he made 20 k from 1 k. so if you ask him now for say.. 500,000 ... then think of his return. its like that kinda of stuff im on about not common theivezs
It is?
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Stupid rich people should not own so much in the first place , but the conmen isn't likely to have a better use for this wealth...
Life shouldn't be a tournament where having less skills than the average would cause your "elimination"...
Uhm. You lie to them, cheat them, bluff them and take the money they spend their time earning. How could that NOT be wrong? Like bathroommonkey said, murder takes skill to do right too.
And do you really believe that someone should have less rights just because they're rich?
However, I can't entirely say that the people who are victim to such cons don't deserve it. The victims of those 4 sins I described all have money as the focus of their lives in order to fall for that. Cons use greed to their advantage. It's how they scam 99% of the victims.
I agree with what Boggle said because I am a softie and don't like bad things happening to people.
First there's the simpilest con: Grab and run. You pay for something, they dissapear with your cash, you never get what you paid for. Oh yeah, it was COMPLETELY the fault of the person buying, wasn't it!
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but they are all wrong.
i'm sorry, that was silly.
some are more completely wrong that others (which are just slightly completely wrong)
i'm sorry, that was silly.
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So true. I don't really get it, how could cheating people be "less wrong"?
Someone please explain to me why choosing a rich target makes it more justifyable to undermine the base of our society by cheating people.
Of the four sins Hawkeye mentions, the only one I can accept is gambling, and that's simply because the only one losing something is the one doing it.
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but they are all wrong.
i'm sorry, that was silly.
some are more completely wrong that others (which are just slightly completely wrong) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
it cant be put on the same page as things like murder.. and rape and all of that.. its a whole different playing field..
ive been reading up on some of the great scams.. and the ingenuity behind them is jaw dropping... i for one.. wish i was that good.
i d see theimmoral aspect... but.. i am of a certain state of mind.. it goes a little like. ' mo money, mo money, mo money!'
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Why not? Rape murder and conning all make people feel vulnerable, abused, mentally unstable. They all affect people's lives. Why can't they be put on the same page?
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ive been reading up on some of the great scams.. and the ingenuity behind them is jaw dropping... i for one.. wish i was that good.
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Yes, the ingenuity behind some of them is incredible, but what if that ingenuity had gone into something more productive, like finding away to be totally reliant on renewable energy sources or finding a cure for cancer?
As an analogy, Adolf Hitler was an incredible public speaker. His ablitly to bring people to his cause was quite brilliant. But does that justify the cause? Are Hitler's actions and philosophies to be excused because he was a talented person? Remember that this is just an analogy, and I'm not claiming con-artists to be modern-day Hitlers, but think about the point behind it; people's crimes shouldn't be justified by the skill that they performed them with.
Uhm, does that mean you wish you had the skill to steal people's money, or am I reading your post wrong?
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Oh, and that justifies theft, or?
Sorry, but I'm not seeing it. I don't see any reason, any reason at ALL why this is just remotely justified.
Uhm, does that mean you wish you had the skill to steal people's money, or am I reading your post wrong?
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Oh, and that justifies theft, or?
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to some degree yes...
I don't suppose you want to elaborate on your argument?
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i shall attempt.
it amazes me. the skill of it.. the precise planning. finding your mark. baiting it. recon to find out what baits them. tugging on the line.. getting them interested.. then the final sting.. its just... mind blowing...
i know it is illegal.. thats why if you are caught you go to jail.. hence why i have alot of respect for it.. cos they are so smart and so meticulous they get away with it..
i dont respect the breaking the law. losing money is never good for anyone... but i respect the way it is done. its not like.. mugging a grandma.. its hard to explain and elaborate.. but i dont agree with the criminal side of it. merely the brains behind it. the setup.
what can i say.. it intrigues me.. and whereas it is wrong.. theres no doubt.. i wonder HOW wrong.. you sit there and say rape and murder quotes... are you honestly telling me.. u line up a rapist a murder and a high level con artist. and you get 2 bullets. you are actually gonna even have to think which one to save?
Are you so blinded by dazzling effects that you don't see it from the other person's eyes?
That is not the issue here. If I had 2 bullets, yes, I would kill the shoot the murderer and the rapist. Actually, I would shoot the murderer and then shoot the other murderer (me). The point is not who would I kill out of the three if I only had 2 bullets, the point is that all three of them hurt other people. They prey on the weaknesses of others and expliot them. Murderers do some meticulous planning too. The sniper attacks in america some time ago, involved a car with a tiny gun port, and they managed to kill at least 10 people. That's a lot of planning. Most people would hide in a tree and shoot some guys, they took the time to think it through, hopping from state to state, never in the same place twice. What is the difference between my snipers and your conmen?
That is not the issue here. If I had 2 bullets, yes, I would kill the shoot the murderer and the rapist. Actually, I would shoot the murderer and then shoot the other murderer (me). The point is not who would I kill out of the three if I only had 2 bullets, the point is that all three of them hurt other people. They prey on the weaknesses of others and expliot them. Murderers do some meticulous planning too. The sniper attacks in america some time ago, involved a car with a tiny gun port, and they managed to kill at least 10 people. That's a lot of planning. Most people would hide in a tree and shoot some guys, they took the time to think it through, hopping from state to state, never in the same place twice. What is the difference between my snipers and your conmen? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
life.
conmen.. dont rob you of your life. they rob you off your money. the kind of conmen we are on about.. only go for high risk targets. this means lots fo money. if the person is that loaded.. then yeah its wrong to take theyre money... but it isnt life ending.