Counter-strike
<div class="IPBDescription">Like it or hate it?</div><b>Counter-Strike, do you like it or hate it?</b>
This seems to be such a heated topic in a lot of the Half-Life communities, I can't honestly say why. I've never understood the deep seeded hatred towards things that should have little effect on a normal human beings life. Luckily, this being one of the more mature communities out there, most you seem to be fair towards it.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm completely with everyone as far as the community goes. They have a down right terrible community. But, honestly, just about every single online gaming community does. Anywhere there are a lot of young, angry teenagers that can freely say whatever they want without the fear of any real reprucussion, you're going to have trouble. It's a given. And lets face it, a lot of people just enjoy being annoying.
Then there are the people who seem to hate Counter-Strike simply because it's popular. Go to Action Half-Life or just about any other Half-Life mod forum and you're going to see multiple anti-Counter-Strike posts. Which is really quite baffling, because would these mods still exist without CS? Would Natural-Selection be on the verge of release on the Half-Life engine if Counter-Strike hadn't gotten so popular? Although I can't say for sure, I doubt it.
I admit Counter-Strike has a lot of gameplay issues, and if you're like me and have played it since the very beginning it's starting to get old. For a lot of people CS's gameplay just isn't their thing, that's to be expected with any game. But the hatred Counter-Strike instills in so many, it's like the people who despise MTV simply because it plays mainstream music. A lot of it just seems completely unfounded and pointless.
Anyways, what do you all think?
This seems to be such a heated topic in a lot of the Half-Life communities, I can't honestly say why. I've never understood the deep seeded hatred towards things that should have little effect on a normal human beings life. Luckily, this being one of the more mature communities out there, most you seem to be fair towards it.
Now don't get me wrong, I'm completely with everyone as far as the community goes. They have a down right terrible community. But, honestly, just about every single online gaming community does. Anywhere there are a lot of young, angry teenagers that can freely say whatever they want without the fear of any real reprucussion, you're going to have trouble. It's a given. And lets face it, a lot of people just enjoy being annoying.
Then there are the people who seem to hate Counter-Strike simply because it's popular. Go to Action Half-Life or just about any other Half-Life mod forum and you're going to see multiple anti-Counter-Strike posts. Which is really quite baffling, because would these mods still exist without CS? Would Natural-Selection be on the verge of release on the Half-Life engine if Counter-Strike hadn't gotten so popular? Although I can't say for sure, I doubt it.
I admit Counter-Strike has a lot of gameplay issues, and if you're like me and have played it since the very beginning it's starting to get old. For a lot of people CS's gameplay just isn't their thing, that's to be expected with any game. But the hatred Counter-Strike instills in so many, it's like the people who despise MTV simply because it plays mainstream music. A lot of it just seems completely unfounded and pointless.
Anyways, what do you all think?
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Without CS(Valve's money maker), Valve would have given up and moved on to a different game by now, and Half-Life's community would probably still exist, but wouldn't be nearly as large.
Its like any other game, you've got some people that will like it, others that wont.
Take any game for example - like Giants. I loved it, however I know alot of people who dont, hell - even Black&White - Loved it, others hated it.
However, I think there are alot more people who hate it just because they're sheep and they think its cool to hate it or the "in" thing.
He likes SI, I dont.
I've played it many times and although fun for a few minutes becomes rather boring for me.
Not to dis SI or anything, just providing another example.
As for Counter-Strike, I play it on occasion. Filtering the servers take forever, and I can't stand the wait. I usually play with my freinds on a public clan server.
and if you're like me and have played it since the very beginning it's starting to get old.
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i started getting a bored with CS too so now i'll join a game and use the awp to kill my own team mates and then blame it on a wrongly configured aimbot. its just funny to see the peoples responses to that. when was the last time you watched MTV. every time im on the channel it does everything not music related. i have to stay up til 3 am just to see a freakin music video
also gazaar, you shouldnt say "whining, and screaming things at you over the voice communication." because that is in alot of mods <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->
Probably over 4 years ago.
Why I Dislike CS.
by <b><u>coil</u></b>.
1) Rounds are three minutes or less (usually 1-2). The amount of depth to be found in 3 minutes of gameplay is insufficient to drown an anorexic, two-dimensional baby midget.
2) Repeating the same 1-2 minutes 25 times takes it from "shallow" to "mind-numbing."
3) There are a *few* weapons in the game that are simply better than any of the others; therefore, these are the only weapons ever used. As is true of the gameplay, there is no variation in weapon choice.
4) It claims to be a teamplay mod, but is not. It is team deathmatch. This means:
a) A single player with enough skill can win a round single-handedly.
b) Therefore, players try to carry the server, thereby eliminating any last chance for teamplay elements.
5) The two teams are essentially differently skinned copies. Only a few weapons are unique to one side or another.
6) The community is comprised primarily of whining brainless idiots too absorbed in their own score to remember that it's supposed to be fun.
Now, don't get me wrong... in the right circumstances, CS can be quite fun. EC Clan practices are enjoyable. But it's still just team DM, and after about 90 minutes my brain starts to melt from the repetition.
Comparatively, Natural Selection:
1) Games last from 5 minutes to over an hour, averaging around 30 minutes. The battles fought over the enormous maps provide a *limitless* number of unique experiences. If you doubt me, I ask you why the "Frontlines" thread has 90 pages on it, when only about 15-20 playtesters post stories in it.
2) Generally, you will play a map once or twice before cycling. Boredom does not happen.
3) Every weapon has a time and a place to be used. Even when aliens have 3 hives, a skulk will still find use for his bite. Even when the commander has access to HMGs, GLs, Heavy Armor, and Jetpacks; a LMG-carrying marine can still fill an essential scout role.
4) It is true teamplay. Scores do not matter; the only thing that matters is which TEAM is left standing.
a) A lone marine will not last long.
b) Aliens provide a venue for the DMers among us; they have scores and can effectively fight solo (since retreating for healing, managing RPs, etc is entirely individual).
5) Not only are the teams different; there is virtually no overlap between the two teams in terms of abilities. Gameplay is unique depending which side you are playing.
6) We can only hope. I have a feeling the complexity and the required teamplay will provide NS with a generally more intelligent and less llamatastic community.
by <b><u>coil</u></b>.
1) Rounds are three minutes or less (usually 1-2). The amount of depth to be found in 3 minutes of gameplay is insufficient to drown an anorexic, two-dimensional baby midget.
2) Repeating the same 1-2 minutes 25 times takes it from "shallow" to "mind-numbing."
3) There are a *few* weapons in the game that are simply better than any of the others; therefore, these are the only weapons ever used. As is true of the gameplay, there is no variation in weapon choice.
4) It claims to be a teamplay mod, but is not. It is team deathmatch. This means:
a) A single player with enough skill can win a round single-handedly.
b) Therefore, players try to carry the server, thereby eliminating any last chance for teamplay elements.
5) The two teams are essentially differently skinned copies. Only a few weapons are unique to one side or another.
6) The community is comprised primarily of whining brainless idiots too absorbed in their own score to remember that it's supposed to be fun.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
well thought-out, coil, and I agree with you about NS, since quite obviously you know more about it than I do... though I find your views on CS *slightly* biased. Remember, you're looking through the rose-colored glasses that come with being an NS playtester <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo--> (slightly satirical there)
1) I think it's sufficient to drown a bulimic, three-dimensional toddler, though. Gameplay experiences vary server to server. Yes, indeed some servers are VERY bad as far as gameplay goes, but for me a good experience in CS has usually been finding a good server. I find (in my experiences, anyway) that the amount of tactical situations you can get into in CS is VERY high, and extremely varied... again, just IMO. (also one of the reasons I'm so looking forward to NS... much more variety, enormous maps, sounds freakin' awesome)
2) I vary my tactics as I play. The servers I play on have pretty skilled (though certainly not Cal-m material) players on them, and both teams attempt to adapt to the other team's tactics regularly. Rarely do I get involved in a game where a team will play exactly the same way every round. Gameplay, for me, gets varied every round, which is why I play CS so much, I'm still finding myself having unique experiences.
3)I agree with you for the most part on this, the colt, awp, and AK are used FAR too much. Interestingly enough, though, the clan which I lead has a very anti-colt/awp/AK atmosphere to it. We sort of frown upon using the overused weapons all the time, and laud those who try to vary the weapons (and thus tactics, again going back to my previous statement) they use. We stick to a doctrine that says that there is more skill involved than rushing the terrorist spawn on a "T camping map" (like italy) and getting a kill or two with a TMP before dying than camping with an awp. Grace and elegance in kills are prized above scores.
4) I agree with a), but my clan tries not to let that happen... when we play on the same server, we play as a team. This gives our side an advantage since a group of CTs can react to much more varied situations than can a single player. We make it a teamplay mod.
5) Agreed, though I find them to have enough versatility to be interesting, still (again, NS shines in this area I'm sure... the two sides are so radically different that there's got to be mucho-interesting situations happening.)
6) Well said. Like I said before, the server one plays on can make a large difference. It's a matter of finding an admin that'll kick the whining brainless idiots <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
Good points for the most part, coil, but I felt I had to respond with my two pence.
and the p90 and the semi auto rifles, those take elite skilled players anyone can use a colt and ak47, but the smg's, pistols and semi auto sniper rifles take real skills
well, the semi auto rifles are kinda easy
but its stupid to have a bunch of weapons that have no flaws or anything. i mean, picture all the weapons being perfect and accuret and with low recoils, you need more guns that have challenges to them, there tactical guns, not my gun is better then yours so your gonna die.
aug
sig
dual berettas
tmp
mac-10
G3/SG-1
p90
5-7
Just found it interesting at the time ..
one of my favorite pistols, next to the 5-7 and elites ... <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo-->
And the auto rifles are damn deadly.
Crazy amounts of damages, you just gotta know the sekrat ...
O_o
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• Jump into a public server. Grab a Mac10 and kevlar.
• Spend the whole time dancing using your strafe keys and crouch button on top of a crate.
• Get your whole team to go dual berettas.
• Use the scout, but never stand still or zoom in.
• On Cs_Militia2_movie, gather people on the air plane, change your name to "SkyDiverA", and attempt to make it into the sewers or land on someone's head! Whoever jumps and manages to live gets bonus points!
• Change your names to "LemmingA" and get other people to change their names as well, then run off the nearest cliff or repeatidly climb to a roof top and jump until you're all dead.
• Bind a key to kill, then sneak behind an enemy and press it when you're right up against them. Laugh as your body falls through them and they get confused as to how you died.
• Give away free weapons at your spawnpoint.
• Rush the Enemy with a popular gun that they'll steal from your body (m4 works). Make sure you empty all but four bullets from the gun at your spawn before rushing the enemy. When you get to the enemy, fire off the last four rounds into enemies and let them kill you. When they pick up the gun and rush around the corner to frag your buddies, laugh as they discover it has no ammo.
• Run around the level with the pump shotgun singing "Shotgun Blues" from Guns N Roses.
• Run around with a knife only, with no kevlar, and only using secondary fire for it.
• Refuse to follow your team and tell them it's because you're afraid the terrorists will evolve into an onos.
If you can find a nice clan server to play on or at least a public with a decent crowd of regulars it can make for some fabulous games..
The tricky part is finding a server with decent fun-loving peeps to play against, while avoiding the "I pwn j00 I am L337!!!!111ffs"- type fools..
lol
• Run around the level with the pump shotgun singing "Shotgun Blues" from Guns N Roses.
• Refuse to follow your team and tell them it's because you're afraid the terrorists will evolve into an onos.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
those three are great. I'm going to have to use them the next time I get on the server =D
Scarface kills (other team) with AK47
Moron: SCAR YOU (insert obsenties here)
Moron: MY KILL
Moron: YOU KILL STEALING (insert obsenties here)
Me: next time ill let him kill you
Moron: YOU (insert obsenties here)
Moron: IM GONNA BAN YOU JUST FOR FUN
*BANNED*
the sad thing is things like this happen to me every server im in