3 Marines Start...

project_demon

<div class="IPBDescription">why not 3 marines start ?</div> So aliens have 3 places they could start in but not the marines? what gives?why?
It’s not hard to make 3 marines start in a map (I think)...

There fore I believe you guys should make 3 marines start so aliens can't always rush threw and kick ****...

LokeTheSleekPeruvian

They would have to remake all maps.

Hybridclaw

a rush to the marine base, in the beginning of the round, doesn't always work....
kind of like a shotgun rush........

beige

Also, marines start in one place, but they can relocate.

Aliens have those three hive locations, but they're stuck with them.

brute_force

No... just no. It wouldn't work, mapwise and gamewise.

DiscoZombie

It's an OK idea but unnecessary I think, since the game works so well now... I mean, the marines don't HAVE to stay at marine start -- they can relocate, and often do, to a hive, double res, wherever... and if maps had 3 big hive rooms AND 3 big marine start rooms, maps would practically be nothing but marine starts and hives...

PowerslavE

Indeed, a great and interesting idea... but still unpratical in the long run. Though it could be perhaps if we were on an engine that supported more than 32 players as you could have three marine teams against one super powerful alien team. But alas, that's all for naught at the moment.

project_demon

<!--QuoteBegin-beige+Feb 25 2004, 04:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (beige @ Feb 25 2004, 04:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Also, marines start in one place, but they can relocate.

Aliens have those three hive locations, but they're stuck with them. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
No, they don't have to relocate and waist money and time...n what if like they died while they were relocating ?(they have no ip yet)

they don't have to remake all maps, if your a bit familiar to hammer, you'd see they only have to make 2 more rooms with or with out doors,tunnels...
so it's easy to add 2 more rooms...

here's the problem, the patch would contain all ns maps reworked(3 cc) so the patch would be about 50 mb big...or something like that.

ya and skulk rush works 1/2 of the times alien use it, the other half is when like some skulk just don't join it or explore the map or and totally buz or nubz...or they went gorg... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->

i'm just wondering when will Flayra finish his work on that flame thrower their adding...(if ur tottaly shocked look at the FAQs)

Mintman

It's possible to make one marine start fairly equidistant from each hive, making 3 do the same would require maps probably double the size. The maps are about as big now as Half-Life can handle so I think, although theoretically possible, it is impossible due to engine constraints.

project_demon

<!--QuoteBegin-Mintman+Feb 25 2004, 08:06 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mintman @ Feb 25 2004, 08:06 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It's possible to make one marine start fairly equidistant from each hive, making 3 do the same would require maps probably double the size. The maps are about as big now as Half-Life can handle so I think, although theoretically possible, it is impossible due to engine constraints. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
lol hl engine is barely handeling the maps man if u try to open any of them in hammer, 1rst u have to wait like 30 sec to finish loading then it lags baddly when u click on things or walk in 3d mode...


-no worrys halflifers, i hl2 can handle up to 8x what hl engine can handle now

sTuPiD_iTiaLiAn2k

if marines started in sparatic areas around the map.... then the comm would have to set up more than 3 bases at a time.. and what if the marine setting up the base dies? then bye bye commchair res + ip res.... x 3 from number of bases.... = wow if you dont understand what im saying your a moron (yes i have pms)

Cold_NiTe

Ok so you say it <b>is possible</b> to have three marine starts. So let's just say it is, and it doesn't waste any of the developer's time to do so.

(Which it will, there is no getting around it, the time they spend doing this for each map, and setting any and all necessary entities would be time that could be spent on other things, like finishing of version 3.0. <b>No matter how much time it takes them, it is still time they could use for other purposes.</b> )

Okay assuming that it isn't wasting time however, <b><i>answer me this; Why? Why do marines actually need 3 start locations?</i></b>

A.) So that alien's can't rush?
>> Wrong answer man, marine's comm can find alien hive fast enough to shotty rush it with ease, so aliens, who can't pwn the map with the overhead view a commander has, need to know ahead of time where the marines would be.

>>Alien rush is NOT a guaranteed success. Plenty of alien rushes have failed, but that is getting into the strategy and skill of the matter, which we should try to avoid.

>>Alien rush is just as valid a tactic as a shotty rush, it costs less (obviously the cheapest being 0) which is balanced by the superiority of the shotgun over lesser life forms.

B.) For variety's sake?
>>I don't think this was your reason, but it is not worth churning out new betas and slowing down development over...

C.) <Insert other reason here and I will do my best to respond to it.>

Honestly though, I am intrigued that you think we need it. I've thought of having multiple marine starts before, but it always seemed like a useless idea and I never bothered to back it.

RaVe

Hmm....why not? Gameplay issues.

Marines : Slow, but powerful in groups. Static spawn area, but able to relocate to ANY area in the map for a new spawn location. That means 8+ locations a commander can relocate to. If the starting area gets locked by aliens, commanders can relocate to other areas.

Aliens : Fast and powerful individually. 3 spawn areas. However, these locations are <b>fixed</b>. Meaning they can't relocate the hive to another area at all. Only 3 static locations, no way to move them. Meaning a commander locks it down, you can't take it back without destroying it first.

kolokol

When you said three marine teams i just had a vision of TA <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo--> Bring it on!
As for the 3 ms idea..well mainly the maps just aren't big enough, and even if they were it would be hell for the mapper to balance.

titanium

another well-thought out and explained idea

bravo

Unknown

<!--QuoteBegin-beige+Feb 25 2004, 04:32 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (beige @ Feb 25 2004, 04:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Also, marines start in one place, but they can relocate.

Aliens have those three hive locations, but they're stuck with them. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
exatcly, pros'n cons!