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DiscoZombie
Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18951Members
Join Date: 2003-08-05 Member: 18951Members
<div class="IPBDescription">and similar experts...</div> ...simply put, how can anyone be so good? I was in a game the other night and someone had a 50/1 kill/death ratio... he was fading... about 50% of the time when I see someone that good, I spectate them instead of playing, because I feel my game is kinda stagnant and not getting better and I think watching experts may help more than playing...
it really doesn't <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I mean, I'm a pretty good player; worst case scenario I fall short of having a 1:1 kill/death ratio when the other team is owning, but most of the time I'll do better, often topping my team with near a 2:1 kill/death... but I can't come close to ppl like this... blinking in with 100% accuracy, killing, blinking out to heal, often not needing to because he was so fast he took no damage... my 'strategy' often involves leaping/blinking in the general direction of someone and biting wildly while spinning around somewhat wildly trying to keep someone in front of me... nothing like this kinda 100% accuracy -- I mean, geez, half the time when I try to blink or leap to safety I find myself stuck in a corner <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
uhh basically, anyone that good here and have any tips? also, do experts use any scripts? and does bunny hopping still make you go faster in NS or is it just good for dodging? not that I ever knew how to bunny hop, just see ppl like this guy doing it so I figure it must have a point... is it all basically having perfect control over your mouse sensitivity and blink distance? just using fade as an example, marine/other alien tips welcome... because basically skulk is all I'm decent with... maybe this belongs in general discussion or newbie or something, but non-off-topic forums scare me <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
edit: also, is having a high ping an advantage and not a disadvantage? I often see ppl with 200+ pings ruling, I assume because they're impossible to hit as they flash here and there trying to keep up with the server instead of moving fluidly. or are the ppl who own with high pings lag hackers?
it really doesn't <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
I mean, I'm a pretty good player; worst case scenario I fall short of having a 1:1 kill/death ratio when the other team is owning, but most of the time I'll do better, often topping my team with near a 2:1 kill/death... but I can't come close to ppl like this... blinking in with 100% accuracy, killing, blinking out to heal, often not needing to because he was so fast he took no damage... my 'strategy' often involves leaping/blinking in the general direction of someone and biting wildly while spinning around somewhat wildly trying to keep someone in front of me... nothing like this kinda 100% accuracy -- I mean, geez, half the time when I try to blink or leap to safety I find myself stuck in a corner <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
uhh basically, anyone that good here and have any tips? also, do experts use any scripts? and does bunny hopping still make you go faster in NS or is it just good for dodging? not that I ever knew how to bunny hop, just see ppl like this guy doing it so I figure it must have a point... is it all basically having perfect control over your mouse sensitivity and blink distance? just using fade as an example, marine/other alien tips welcome... because basically skulk is all I'm decent with... maybe this belongs in general discussion or newbie or something, but non-off-topic forums scare me <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif' /><!--endemo-->
edit: also, is having a high ping an advantage and not a disadvantage? I often see ppl with 200+ pings ruling, I assume because they're impossible to hit as they flash here and there trying to keep up with the server instead of moving fluidly. or are the ppl who own with high pings lag hackers?
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l1k3 duh!
one word of warning
people who play for fun do not mix well with people who play to win ...
it quickly degrades into a:
"stop getting kiled"
"stop yelling at us"
type thing
other than that, work on your combat skills in combat (heh, the training sim idea) work on your tactical skills be learning maps and reading on a few simple tactics, like:
controling important areas
picking targets
wolfpacks
decoys
ambushes
more ambushes
a few more decoys
and remember, try not to kill to much earlygame as alien. instead wound and mark
and scripts are bad (considering most servers now use the noscript cvar)
And also, Get to know the people in a prospective clan. How can you win with people you can't get along with? <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
my NS game is kinda like my bowling game... I do really well the first round or two, and then I get lazy and stop trying so hard and my score starts dropping... so I bet concentrating harder would help my game more than anything <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Most clans are full of idiots. I mean, the kind of idiots that you REALLY wanna kick in the balls, REALLY FRICKIN HARD, repeatedly, BEFORE you send them to hell. The few clans I can actually stand, are Keyser59's one, FFT, EC, DN, and a few others. One thing to warn though- #cri is...well, yeah. Lets just say they had a good record, then it stunk. REALLY BADLY. Then, theres Evil. Most of them are just a-holes, downright. Stay away, and whatever you do- DON'T SOCIALIZE WITH THEM. They draw you in, maybe even try and recruit you, but if they do- don't do them any favors. They prey on you, then treat you like crap if you screw up. dn- they don't talk much, but are VERY skilled, one of the few clans that could rival HAM.
I wonder whatever happened to ReD....that was a good clan...
meh, I still say god mode hax are the way to go (hey, they improved my skills, now I only get like 4-50 instead of 0-200 scores <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
The other thing I would suggest in seriousness is to watch demos.
I know alot of the good players (well a few) have made demos of them selfs playing (fade demos seem common <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->)
I would suggest hunting around/asking here/on IRC for them <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Anyways, as others have said, a good fade makes effective use of blink, and can switch between swipe and blink quickly and efficiently. Easy way to do this, is use lastinv(Q by default). Lastinv is better than any scripts out there.
btw why does your avatar still have a santa hat?
/me joins the ranks of the Minions with 200 posts
One thing that helps is that people are generally terrible at looking vertically, they can track easily horizontally but most people's aims go to heck when trying to track up or down, it's good to use that to your advantage by falling on people from above rather than straight at them into their gun sights ^^
The ultimate thing, like it's been said a hundred times, though is practice. Watching is nice but the true learning of anything comes from doing! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
Also when you are a fade, don't be greedy.
So don't get that other shot gunner when you are on 150 hp but Meta behind a corner.
That sounds so horrible in the wrong context. XD
Above all, get to know the people you're playing with so you work well with them. A good pack of skulks is always circling for a flank or running around the feet of a fade picking up the scraps from him.
Being good at NS is 60% talent and 40% tactics and decision making, IMO.
There is a lot of talent in tactics and decition making ...
... But as most other disciplines. I'd say it's 10% talent and 90% practice. Practice with aim, with movement controll, practice on teamwork, practice on tactics and strategies, practice with different weapons and lifeforms, etc.
You don't have to actually play NS to improve on stuff either. I actually started improving my NS play when I started playing CS and Quake 3 Arena.
Hit the nail on the head.
critical is a nice fella
the NS clan scene has always been uber, and it's a great way to get the maximun experience out of NS, becuase if your in a decent to good clan, you work as a squad and have a good comm and get to go rain death upon the opponenent in ways that would make the gods of war happy
One thing that helps is that people are generally terrible at looking vertically, they can track easily horizontally but most people's aims go to heck when trying to track up or down, it's good to use that to your advantage by falling on people from above rather than straight at them into their gun sights ^^
The ultimate thing, like it's been said a hundred times, though is practice. Watching is nice but the true learning of anything comes from doing! <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
good point gem, I've definitely noticed this... often the good ppl will purposely blink above you, below you, or just past you instead of right into your face, and slash you in the back, knowing you probably won't be able to adjust to their position as well as they can to yours... and also because it's easy to hit a fade heading straight for your face but not so much one blinking a little off to the side...
- Blink jumping timing good enough to be able to reliably do it in heavy combat
- Be able to blink around marine stuctures without them "catching" you
and
- the realization that in NS... you CAN Play with your food. Pop into an area and out before marines can even raise their rifles 2, 3, 4 times till they start to get restless and start chasing you. Fly around the map using blink/leap/flying whatever going "la la la la la WEEEEEEE" killing things randomly that interest you. In other words, Focus on your survival more then killing the enemy. Most aliens have their advantages in speed, health regeneration, and maybe hit points in some cases.
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This is different from baseball. Baseball is real and you can understand everything that you could possibly do without any additional info. NS is not real, you can do some things which are not intuitive until you've seen someone else do it and tried it for yourself. An example is that you can quickly switch to metabolize and back in the middle of battle at regular intervalls to gain back health and waste virtually no time in the blink, slash, blink cycle that people often use.
When I play CS it makes me totally suck at NS for hours afterwards(the opposite is true as well). The skills involved are very different.