Natural Selection - Flaws, Bugs, Stupidity.

sub_jrsub_jr Join Date: 2003-12-24 Member: 24716Members
edited February 2004 in NS General Discussion
<span style='color:white'>IT'S CALLED SATIRE, PEOPLE. --coil</span>

<b><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>NATURAL SELECTION - FULL OF FLAWS, BUGS, AND GENERAL STUPIDITY.</span></b>

It's time to get down to the gritty truth of things. This game sucks. It's buggy, incomplete, and has none of the charm and lure of any other popular mods these days (counter-strike for one). The player base is made up of drooling 13 year olds who always stack the monster team. So the mod sucks, so what sub! Tell us what we need to fix and we'll do it! Below are a few suggestions that will take Natural Selection to the next level.

- Vehicles. Marines get totally owned every single time I play them, and I know it's not my comming that's causing it. All the monsters are basically vehicles, going zooming around the map and rolling over and squishing all the poor marines. It's just not balanced. Marines need some sort of tank that has armour, and some sort of turret that can kill an onos in 2 shots.

- HA is slow! I mean if you're going to have a mechanical armour suit in the future, wouldn't you at least make it have wheels or something to go faster? HA should be replaced with something with rockets that can make marines travel as fast as an upgraded monster.

- Only 1 commander. With only 1 commander, it's hard for marines to coordinate an assault. I think if we had 2-3 of them instead of 1 it'd be much easier to hit hives and take them out.

- There are only 2 classes of marines at the moment, compared to the 5 classes aliens can upgrade to. I thought this game was called 'natural selection', not 'no evolution happening here'. Marines should be able to evolve to new types of humans. Like one with long arms could hold two guns at once, or perhaps a gun and a type of light sword. And one with a huge brain but is low in health that could think really fast.

- Skulk is too weak and slow. It should be bigger, about half the size of an onos, but make its bite do half damage. And like perhaps giving it an ability, like 'bark' or something, that would make marines run away. Kind of like a fear upgrade.

- Fade, gods don’t get me started. This is perhaps the most useless class of the lot. Blink, great who uses it when you've got celerity??? I think it'd be best to remove blink all together and have another slot for healing. Like healing and curing. Or perhaps the fade could heal other aliens.

- Onos - come on about the thing! The onos is toastily warmed with butter and a slice of jamdango. If Flayra only had some toast he could have the up onos and be a win.

Seriously developers, natural-selection needs a LOT more work done to it before valve will let you guys put it on STEAM. It's just half assed. After 2 versions you guys still haven’t got it right! Marines are totally whipped. Aliens are overpowered to the extreme. The only people who play it are the same 16 people that I always see. No sniper rifle?? No buy menu?? Come on guys; get a clue when you set out to make a mod.
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  • prsearleprsearle Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2365Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-sub jr+Feb 17 2004, 03:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (sub jr @ Feb 17 2004, 03:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ...
    And one with a huge brain but is low in health that could think really fast.
    ... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You had me going until here. Nice try - who are you really?
  • AlcapwnAlcapwn &quot;War is the science of destruction&quot; - John Abbot Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17590Members
    edited February 2004
    You dont know what youre talking about, so shut up.

    LOL i cant belive it, you CS players are all alike.

    CS takes NO SKILL WHATSOEVER. And incase you havent notcied there are alot more then 16 players online you nub. Maybe you should download the new betas? or are you too retarted to do that?
  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    Um, guys... This is probably a joke. A hilarious one, at that. Don't go insulting him, there is NO way that this could be real. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • sub_jrsub_jr Join Date: 2003-12-24 Member: 24716Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-prsearle+Feb 17 2004, 11:01 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (prsearle @ Feb 17 2004, 11:01 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-sub jr+Feb 17 2004, 03:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (sub jr @ Feb 17 2004, 03:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> ...
    And one with a huge brain but is low in health that could think really fast.
    ... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    You had me going until here. Nice try - who are you really? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Long time player, short time lurker. I'm involved in the australian NS community.
  • AlcapwnAlcapwn &quot;War is the science of destruction&quot; - John Abbot Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17590Members
    i hate to see when this mod gets on the My games list-it will be full of csplayers like him who say that the mod sucks cause they cant buy there mp5's... <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • BobTheJanitorBobTheJanitor Join Date: 2003-12-10 Member: 24228Members, NS1 Playtester
    Don't feed the trolls.

    That is all.
  • sub_jrsub_jr Join Date: 2003-12-24 Member: 24716Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-BobTheJanitor+Feb 17 2004, 11:06 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (BobTheJanitor @ Feb 17 2004, 11:06 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Don't feed the trolls.

    That is all. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Humour! Not troll. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • coilcoil Amateur pirate. Professional monkey. All pance. Join Date: 2002-04-12 Member: 424Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
  • CForresterCForrester P0rk(h0p Join Date: 2002-10-05 Member: 1439Members, Constellation
    SmartBomb for the 21st century! Except he wasn't serious. SmartBomb was.
  • BobTheJanitorBobTheJanitor Join Date: 2003-12-10 Member: 24228Members, NS1 Playtester
    <!--QuoteBegin-sub jr+Feb 17 2004, 10:07 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (sub jr @ Feb 17 2004, 10:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Humour! Not troll. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It's no fun if you give it all away!
  • GlissGliss Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14800Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester
    <!--QuoteBegin-h20+Feb 17 2004, 08:02 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (h20 @ Feb 17 2004, 08:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You dont know what youre talking about, so shut up.

    LOL i cant belive it, you CS players are all alike.

    CS takes NO SKILL WHATSOEVER. And incase you havent notcied there are alot more then 16 players online you nub. Maybe you should download the new betas? or are you too retarted to do that? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    This is more funny than the original post.
  • LokeTheSleekPeruvianLokeTheSleekPeruvian Join Date: 2003-08-21 Member: 20054Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-h20+Feb 17 2004, 11:02 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (h20 @ Feb 17 2004, 11:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You dont know what youre talking about, so shut up.

    LOL i cant belive it, you CS players are all alike.

    CS takes NO SKILL WHATSOEVER. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    True.

    Maybe the CS dev team, and the top clans are makinga general call to all the CS players saying "NS SUCKS, THEY ARE GOING TO BEAT CS IF WE DONT FIGHT BACK!!! GET TO THE FORUMS, SAY STUPID THINGS, SAY NS SUCK, NS IS KILLING CS!!! ARGH! NS IS GETTING TO POPULAR , CS IS GOING DOWN!! FIGHT FOR YOUR BELOVED CS!!"
  • NamronNamron Join Date: 2002-11-29 Member: 10220Members
    I totally agree with sub jr.
  • DraconisDraconis Join Date: 2003-02-18 Member: 13722Members, Reinforced - Onos
    edited February 2004
    lol nice one <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    i like the skulk barking idea ^^

    "woof"
    "aaaa run"

    oh yeah the wheel chaired HA is gold too
  • AlcapwnAlcapwn &quot;War is the science of destruction&quot; - John Abbot Join Date: 2003-06-21 Member: 17590Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Loke The Sleek Peruvian+Feb 17 2004, 11:26 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Loke The Sleek Peruvian @ Feb 17 2004, 11:26 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin-h20+Feb 17 2004, 11:02 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (h20 @ Feb 17 2004, 11:02 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You dont know what youre talking about, so shut up.

    LOL i cant belive it, you CS players are all alike.

    CS takes NO SKILL WHATSOEVER. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    True.

    Maybe the CS dev team, and the top clans are makinga general call to all the CS players saying "NS SUCKS, THEY ARE GOING TO BEAT CS IF WE DONT FIGHT BACK!!! GET TO THE FORUMS, SAY STUPID THINGS, SAY NS SUCK, NS IS KILLING CS!!! ARGH! NS IS GETTING TO POPULAR , CS IS GOING DOWN!! FIGHT FOR YOUR BELOVED CS!!" <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    heh that must be it, CS dev team: "A new enemy is arising! We must fight for our beloved CS!!!!! YOU WILL SPAM TEH NS FORUMS WITH USELESS GARBAGE ABOUT HOW IT SUCKS! YOU WILL BE BANNED IF YOU HAVE TOO!"

    There brainwashing them! I need to tell my CS addicted freind! /me hurrys off
  • RedfordRedford Monorailcatfjord Join Date: 2002-04-28 Member: 528Members, NS1 Playtester
    Please do not feed the troll.


    Thank you.
  • StoatBringerStoatBringer Join Date: 2003-06-09 Member: 17144Members, Constellation
    <img src='http://www.abarnett.demon.co.uk/tmp/scorpian.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' />
  • ForlornForlorn Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2634Banned
    edited February 2004
    Sub jr, you are part of stf right?


    So put the appropirate stuff in your sig, number one.


    Number two, you shouldn't tell people untill one or two days after you make the original post you were being satirical, and I found it a tid bit funny. You should have been more stingy in your remarks, and next time try to avoid being like the Something Awful review of NS, both of which were not funny and slightly stupid.



    EDIT:


    How's the weather in Australia? Flaming hot as usual?
  • MintmanMintman Join Date: 2003-05-30 Member: 16866Members
    /me lols at how many people took the bait
  • jugglerjuggler Join Date: 2003-10-20 Member: 21808Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Mintman+Feb 17 2004, 12:33 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Mintman @ Feb 17 2004, 12:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> /me lols at how many people took the bait <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    me too <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • KeyserKeyser Join Date: 2003-02-15 Member: 13591Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Forlorn+Feb 17 2004, 12:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Feb 17 2004, 12:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sub jr, you are part of stf right?


    So put the appropirate stuff in your sig, number one. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Why don't we just let Forlorn do everybody's sig?

    Problem solved.
  • sub_jrsub_jr Join Date: 2003-12-24 Member: 24716Members
    edited February 2004
    <!--QuoteBegin-Forlorn+Feb 17 2004, 12:20 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Forlorn @ Feb 17 2004, 12:20 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Sub jr, you are part of stf right?


    So put the appropirate stuff in your sig, number one.


    Number two, you shouldn't tell people untill one or two days after you make the original post you were being satirical, and I found it a tid bit funny.  You should have been more stingy in your remarks, and next time try to avoid being like the Something Awful review of NS, both of which were not funny and slightly stupid.



    EDIT:


    How's the weather in Australia?  Flaming hot as usual? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Forlorn, you're the critical snob of the forums right?

    So please disect every part of my original post and point out how it's all wrong, number one.

    Number two, you should have replied to the original post within 15 seconds with a 2 page rant. You should have replied faster, with the maximum amount of cynicism possible in your remarks, and next time try to avoid having spazmotic seazures of glee as you read your own post.


    EDIT:

    ^Satire by the way.
    Sup forlorn, I live in melbourne so the weather is an average of 25C. #1 city in the world dude.
  • SpoogeSpooge Thunderbolt missile in your cheerios Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 67Members
    Yay for clanner squables!

    *goes to get popcorn and soda*
  • AmelekAmelek Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16265Members
    <!--QuoteBegin-Spooge+Feb 17 2004, 12:49 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Spooge @ Feb 17 2004, 12:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Yay for clanner squables!

    *goes to get popcorn and soda* <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    A squable with forlorn is much more interesting than most clanning squables <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif' /><!--endemo-->
  • AmelekAmelek Join Date: 2003-05-13 Member: 16265Members
  • SupernornSupernorn Best. Picture. Ever. Made. Ever. Join Date: 2002-11-07 Member: 7608Members, Constellation
    HA with wheels? makes sense. But I think the command console needs an upgrade called "mobility" where the CC suddenly grows wheels and siege cannons (blame the nanites) which marines can like, fire while the commander drives to a hive and sieges it. Oh And anyone who stands still long enough near the hive to type "OMG UNBALANCED" gets instantly sieged.

    Best idea ever.
  • RabidWeaselRabidWeasel Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5337Members
  • typicalskeletontypicalskeleton Join Date: 2003-02-25 Member: 14011Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Number two, you shouldn't tell people untill one or two days after you make the original post you were being satirical, and I found it a tid bit funny. You should have been more stingy in your remarks, and next time try to avoid being like the Something Awful review of NS, both of which were not funny and slightly stupid.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Take notes, because it's clear Forlorn is the Captain of Internet Humor. Every post he makes is pure comedic genius!

    I don't know what we'd do without his humor guidance. Thank god that he's always around to help us be a "tid" bit more funny.

    He's also a "Veteran" so you know that his super interweb label means he knows more than you about everything.

    <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->

    Liked the first post, and the flames. Good ideas, thumbs up!
  • twoflowtwoflow Singing Drunk Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 1950Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin-sub jr+Feb 17 2004, 03:56 PM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (sub jr @ Feb 17 2004, 03:56 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> The onos is toastily warmed with butter and a slice of jamdango. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><div class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    If I was in the business of quoting people in my signature, that'd surely be my first customer.
  • Omega_DeathOmega_Death Sith apprentice to a box of Cereal Join Date: 2003-08-06 Member: 19042Members
    OOOOOO, and maybe we'd put all teh rine base on wheels. That way tehy could move out of the way when teh pwnos was attacking. So when teh pwnos was attacking teh poor lil rinies it would just slide out of teh way and maybe even have a turret or sign that says "oops didn't get me this time" pop up out of the top 11!!!one!!!111one!!11 <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html//emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif' /><!--endemo-->
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