A replacement for the internet?
MonsieurEvil
Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
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Wow.
<!--EDIT|Nemesis Zero|Oct. 02 2002,14:19-->
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Our government is our citizens. If our citizens don't want a law, it gets removed by the Congress. It's that simple. As for the US government and the Internet, who do you think invented it?
<a href="http://www.cosy.sbg.ac.at/doc/eegtti/eeg_44.html" target="_blank">The US Government underwrote the whole thing.</a>
Anyway, getting back on topic...
PS: Relic Rocks out!
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*EDIT* How did I know MonsE would beat me to the punch on this one? <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->
<!--EDIT|Relic25|Oct. 02 2002,13:34-->
Oh we have one of those things It called Tony Blair!
Also, don't be too confidend in the democratic structures of <i>our</i> countries (Yes, we've got such a trendy new form of government, too.).
If a politican, be he member of the Congress or the Bundestag , is elected, he's <i>elected</i> and no matter what kind of political insanity he produces, it'll stay law for a while.
This is however not the topic for such a discussion. Should you wish for one of our legendary two-page-historical-disseration discussions, PM me and I'll start the new threat. <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->
On topic, I'm more suprised that seeing the current political situation (war against terror, anyone?), <i>anything</i> is done to provide secure, unconsored information.
Look around you. Even if our governemts would be our people and them alone, I'd still be as suspicious as hell. No government gives power out of its hands if it can avoid it, so I'm rather shocked about this action.
Anyhoo, back on topic. I think this system is very interesting. It sure would be nice for open information sharing. I wonder how they would provide the necessary data storage for a distributed system like this though? Sounds like they are concentrating on bandwidth and performance issues, but all these copies of the data would amount to a much larger total disk footprint that the current Internet implementation. Disks are cheap, but sheesh, google lists indicies for almost 5 Billion webpages. Now multiply that a few times for IRIS...
<!--EDIT|MonsieurEvil|Oct. 02 2002,13:56-->
a) they're only in their position for a limited time.
b) their positions aren't districuted by birth right.
c) they've got to be good at <i>something</i> to get into their position.
d) they've got to have a big part of the population at least believe they're competent to stay in their position (which is why I don't trust politics too much - there's sometimes barely a visible difference between an powerhungry idiot with a big, trustworthy smile, and a highly competent, nice guy with a big, trustworthy smile).
The absolutely human tendency to not let go off power they once obtained is present in any system, and will make most administratives at least reluctant to distributing power and giving up control they once obtained.
On topic:
I guess they'll keep a big amount of servers as backbone in case some of the 'important' information couldn't be stored in another way.
Aside from that, I can imagine that the necessary capacity would scale pretty well: While most of the interesting sites, which are, as we all know, only a tiny fraction of the big mess that's the web, would indeed be stored ridiculously often, the less good stuff, which makes most of those 5 billion hits, would only be seen sparsely, if even.
It'd still be a major business push for the manufacturers of harddrives, but well, every technological revolution has required new hardware, and up to now, the world has usually followed.
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Al Gore!
On topic: IRIS doesn't surprise me too much, just that fact that they havent started it any earlier.
Usually, I agree with you, but MonsE and I already managed to go through some other debates without of killing each other (or at least him killing me), so I guess it's safe.
Fortunately I subscribe to New Scientist so I'll be able to get the full story.
--Scythe--
Fortunately I subscribe to New Scientist so I'll be able to get the full story.
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Getting into a conversation which i have nothing to do with just isn't my thing... but i don't think that this will go the way of MSN, although it was shonky at the start, all it needed was some 3rd party people to give it a kickstart, as you see in MSN Messenger, when trillian came out they immediately started working on making the system better.
Oh yeah, the Internet came from Arpanet, if only i could find that lil 'newbies guide to the internet' that my mom keeps somewhere around here
/me hits head on cabinet
ow.. anyway that's my 2 cents worth
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yeah, we've also got one of them things here in australia. our ones called "John Howard" but i've heard other ppl call him by a couple of other names... <!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->
this, p2p government funded stuff sounds interesting too. hey, as long as its free!
Technically yes, but they rely on the fact that they can manipulate the majority of the voters and that the rest of them dont care enough. Theres few who see the whole picture AND care enough to vote AND get listened too AND make a difference.
Governments can do what they want usually, they just have keep their really stupid mistakes hidden.
--Scythe
The one thing was developed by a corporation, which is by definition focussed on its own profit, the other is developed by an organization that has no interest in creating an environment that is biased towards any competitor (or at least any USAmerican competitor).
Most people will therefore have few concerns about migrating their systems to IRIS, because they don't have to fear mean passages in the EULA or something, while I've heard of a lot of corps that simply didn't dare to rely on MSN.
You ressed it just to say that?