Necro<insert non-birthday-related title here>Join Date: 2002-08-09Member: 1118Members
<!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Sep. 29 2002,12:55--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Sep. 29 2002,12:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Before this turns into a 'Thread-O-Flame 2000 ™', I'll be happy to tell you a bit about how this will all go down:
1. Flayra will announce that the code is gold and now frozen (no software changes to be made). This starts a one week timer. 2. The final installation packages for Win32 (exe) and Linux (tarball) will be built. 3. A special Preview installer will be created (with some anti-leak measures) which will be used for PR with news sites and magazines. 4. NS' release date is announced to the world. During the next week after gold (and that could be 5-7 days, depending on when the code went gold), we will be sending out PR to as many websites as possible. This means information, screenshots, short movies, the NS Trailer, special exclusives, etc. Certain organizations will be able to play preview copies with us and post articles. Pretty much a news media blitz. 5. 24-hours prior to full release, the Linux dedicated server installer will be uploaded to the mirrors for server ops. 6. Finally, the Win32 installer will be uploaded to all the mirrors and the game is released to the world. The time of day for this is still being discussed.
Other random questions you might have answered below:
- Yes, there will be an IRC party. - Yes, there are British and European file mirrors - Yes, there are Australian and NZ file mirrors - No, it will not be an exclusive download from FilePlanet (although it will be on quite a few of their public mirrors, as well as the ultra-fast Private servers) - It will be just under 100MB in size for either installer - Yes, the manual will be available before release - Yes, we have further plans not shown above.
I think that should sum it all up nicely.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> /me is shocked.
ive never seen ANY mod say so much :o
go monse <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Sep. 29 2002,12:55--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Sep. 29 2002,12:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->3. A special Preview installer will be created (with some anti-leak measures) which will be used for PR with news sites and magazines. 4. NS' release date is announced to the world. During the next week after gold (and that could be 5-7 days, depending on when the code went gold), we will be sending out PR to as many websites as possible. This means information, screenshots, short movies, the NS Trailer, special exclusives, etc. Certain organizations will be able to play preview copies with us and post articles. Pretty much a news media blitz.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Do the spanish news site count? <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo--> heh <!--me&Mendasp--><span id='ME'><center>Mendasp points at homepage</center></span><!--e-me-->
What about south american mirrors? could you contact alkon? <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Bill+Sep. 29 2002,12:27--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Bill @ Sep. 29 2002,12:27)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Hey SuperMunchkin, why don't you go work on a project for 2 years of your life and finally get it done and ready to show the public. Would you not want it to have as much amount of press as possible?
And why are the forums special? There are probably a good bit of peoplew ho want it just as bad as most of the people on the forums do who don't check the site/forum 30 times a day.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Yeah I know they have been working on it for a long time, and really hard. I'm not saying NOT to brag about it to all the major game sites and let the world know. I just wanted to know what was going to happen with the news sites-how it was going to happen. I wasn't trying to say "why bother, what's the big deal?"
And as far as forum goers being special- well, anyone can want something. But those who really get into it, enjoy the front line stories and give them a REASON to make the mod in the first place- I just thought it'd be a nice treat. Though when I posted that I hadn't thought about possible leakage or such, nor did I actually expect them to give us dibs.
<!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Sep. 29 2002,12:55--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Sep. 29 2002,12:55)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->- Yes, there are Australian and NZ file mirrors<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Wow you actually mentioned NZ! That's nice of you <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo--> Since there will be NZ servers you have to give it to the site www.gameplanet.co.nz you just have to please!!
Why the huge media blitz? I've heard talk of Flayra loving his fanbase and wanting to do something special for them, but it was logistically impossible. So instead of releasing to them first (which I would assume is the only way...) , he releases to a bunch of websites that already know about and cover NS? My only issue with this is, that NS needs no PR blitz. Everyone already knows about it, and is heralding it. I refer to the "HL's last big splash" post. There's no need for the websites to make the fan mob more hungry and ornery. Hell even Penny Arcade was talking about it.
So I ask, why not just release to everyone on the same day? There would be more servers, sooner. The fans would be less rabid, the websites would get it at the same time, post a story or something the next day, and the mod would already be availible for download (and past the innevitable 980-bytes-per-second-because-everyone-is-getting-the-mod-after-release phase), instead of those people who read the article ending up asking on the forums and getting a "when it's done".
Sure there are people that don't know about NS. There will forever be. But as the internet is structured, those who are interested in playing a game like this, have found it or know where to look. And unless Flayra is fearing a huge feedback of negative response, which is absurd given the time spent on the mod, the quality of the graphics (lv 1 movie... *droooool*), and the attention to balance, then a release to fans and PR websites at the same time can only help the mod.
Just my thoughts, feel free to flame, no offence to anyone intended here. <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
Okay, if NS is released the day it is set in gold, and everybody rushes to get it- what would be the point? Wouldn't it take a while to get the servers up and I admit that it would be cool to mess with the training while we wait, but it's not worth the loss in publicity.
But on the other hand, it wouldn't make that much of a difference because we all know that NS is going to make a HUGE splash and in time EVERYBODY who is into half-life will know about it.
Oh I just got quesy that "set in gold" comment got me excited and my adrenalin pulsed and left me light headed. <!--emo&:(--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->What about south american mirrors?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Working on these. So far I have talked to some Brazilian and Argentinian ones.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Wow you actually mentioned NZ! That's nice of you Since there will be NZ servers you have to give it to the site www.gameplanet.co.nz you just have to please!!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They have been contacted, but no response yet.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Sure there are people that don't know about NS. There will forever be. But as the internet is structured, those who are interested in playing a game like this, have found it or know where to look. And unless Flayra is fearing a huge feedback of negative response, which is absurd given the time spent on the mod, the quality of the graphics (lv 1 movie... *droooool*), and the attention to balance, then a release to fans and PR websites at the same time can only help the mod.
Just my thoughts, feel free to flame, no offence to anyone intended here<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You would think from the quantity of PR sent out over the past year that lots of people would know about NS. But I've gotten responses from Server Mirror admins (who's job is to keep up with games), saying 'NS whaaaaa?'. It's humbling, but true; hype is the way to go, and having a couple straight days of super PR blitz will help overcome this hopefully.
Think of it like Christmas - come December, you know you will be getting presents in a few days. It heightens the anticipation and gets you focussed...
Coool, so ill get ns fast =D. I love you monse <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--Gibby+Sep. 29 2002,20:11--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (Gibby @ Sep. 29 2002,20:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Why the huge media blitz? I've heard talk of Flayra loving his fanbase and wanting to do something special for them, but it was logistically impossible. So instead of releasing to them first (which I would assume is the only way...) , he releases to a bunch of websites that already know about and cover NS? My only issue with this is, that NS needs no PR blitz. Everyone already knows about it, and is heralding it. I refer to the "HL's last big splash" post. There's no need for the websites to make the fan mob more hungry and ornery. Hell even Penny Arcade was talking about it.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I think I'd have to disagree with you on the size of the fan base. Yes, there's a lot of fans out there, but releasing NS to media outlets in advance is a good idea, I think. The more popular this mod is, the more rewarding the NS team's work will have been. (If you choose to measure it that way, anyway.) I'm going to compare NS to the immortal Counter-Strike despite the fact that they'll 'behave' differently in terms of popularity after the release date... it took a while for CS to gain momentum. Up until about Beta 7 or so (as my memory serves, feel free to correct me), CS wasn't THAT popular. It exploded a while after that, but the point is that CS was in development and public beta testing for a looong time before it got popular. The NS crew, it appears, would rather have their mod "explode" right when it goes public. And I don't blame them.
Also, since I've already mentioned CS, let me just say that most CS players seem EXTREMELY hesitant to play any mod that might displace their beloved Counter-Strike. I've posted about NS on several message boards and was greeted with replies like "ehhh, doesn't look like that great." or "but the HL engine looks like ###." Basically all the responses have as an underlying statement "I don' wanna stop playing CS." A big media hype will probably help dislodge some CS players from their rigid adherance to that game, and get more seasoned FPS players under NS's fanbase.
That was a lot longer than I wanted it to be, but oh well, c'est la vie.
FamDiaper-Wearing Dog On A BallJoin Date: 2002-02-17Member: 222Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
I totally agree with all of that Frodo, nicely put. I see the argument for releasing to fans first, but can you imagine what would happen if you tried? You would either have to give it to all of your mirrors, and then tell them not to link to it, so your 'regulars' can get it first, or you would have to have all of the 'regulars' downloading from one location, which would annoy people because of slow download speeds.
The only real question I would have about the release details at this point is this:
Why not have the mod available for DL before the media blitz? Rather than saying "Here's something really cool, it'll be here in a few days", why not: "Wow this really cool mod is available NOW! WOOT!"
Or is it just that getting all the mirrors and such setup will take long enough that you'll have time to hype it up?
YAY...though i kinda hate the waiting in christmas too...unless i have something to think of!
So this post is dedicatet to all who cant wait for NS to be done...it's nothing fancy and well...kinda sucks compared to NS, and it's about Fishing...
YES, download your copy of the fishing game today! FREE!
<a href="http://user1.7host.com/dragonballdl//The%20Fishing%20Game%20ver.%201,5b.exe" target="_blank">The Fishing Game ver.1,5b</a>
Now dont say i dont spoil you!
BTW - i know that you all wanna ask, when will NS come out...and im not gonna say "when it's done"...im gonna say when i say its done...and i say its done when flyra says its done...that does make a little sense right'?
Okay, I was just wondering- monse said that the manual would be released before the game, is that sometime soon or when NS is "set in gold"? <!--emo&???--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Sep. 30 2002,10:39--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Sep. 30 2002,10:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Think of it like Christmas - come December, you know you will be getting presents in a few days. It heightens the anticipation and gets you focussed...<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> That's his way of saying they aren't releasing till Xmas. <!--emo&:(--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('><!--endemo--> Nah I'm sure that's not true. <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->
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/me starts doing the robot!
1. Flayra will announce that the code is gold and now frozen (no software changes to be made). This starts a one week timer.
2. The final installation packages for Win32 (exe) and Linux (tarball) will be built.
3. A special Preview installer will be created (with some anti-leak measures) which will be used for PR with news sites and magazines.
4. NS' release date is announced to the world. During the next week after gold (and that could be 5-7 days, depending on when the code went gold), we will be sending out PR to as many websites as possible. This means information, screenshots, short movies, the NS Trailer, special exclusives, etc. Certain organizations will be able to play preview copies with us and post articles. Pretty much a news media blitz.
5. 24-hours prior to full release, the Linux dedicated server installer will be uploaded to the mirrors for server ops.
6. Finally, the Win32 installer will be uploaded to all the mirrors and the game is released to the world. The time of day for this is still being discussed.
Other random questions you might have answered below:
- Yes, there will be an IRC party.
- Yes, there are British and European file mirrors
- Yes, there are Australian and NZ file mirrors
- No, it will not be an exclusive download from FilePlanet (although it will be on quite a few of their public mirrors, as well as the ultra-fast Private servers)
- It will be just under 100MB in size for either installer
- Yes, the manual will be available before release
- Yes, we have further plans not shown above.
I think that should sum it all up nicely.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
/me is shocked.
ive never seen ANY mod say so much :o
go monse <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->
4. NS' release date is announced to the world. During the next week after gold (and that could be 5-7 days, depending on when the code went gold), we will be sending out PR to as many websites as possible. This means information, screenshots, short movies, the NS Trailer, special exclusives, etc. Certain organizations will be able to play preview copies with us and post articles. Pretty much a news media blitz.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Do the spanish news site count? <!--emo&:p--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'><!--endemo--> heh
<!--me&Mendasp--><span id='ME'><center>Mendasp points at homepage</center></span><!--e-me-->
And why are the forums special? There are probably a good bit of peoplew ho want it just as bad as most of the people on the forums do who don't check the site/forum 30 times a day.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yeah I know they have been working on it for a long time, and really hard. I'm not saying NOT to brag about it to all the major game sites and let the world know. I just wanted to know what was going to happen with the news sites-how it was going to happen. I wasn't trying to say "why bother, what's the big deal?"
And as far as forum goers being special- well, anyone can want something. But those who really get into it, enjoy the front line stories and give them a REASON to make the mod in the first place- I just thought it'd be a nice treat. Though when I posted that I hadn't thought about possible leakage or such, nor did I actually expect them to give us dibs.
Oh, and thanks Monse! I'm well informed now =P
Wow you actually mentioned NZ! That's nice of you <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo--> Since there will be NZ servers you have to give it to the site www.gameplanet.co.nz you just have to please!!
So I ask, why not just release to everyone on the same day? There would be more servers, sooner. The fans would be less rabid, the websites would get it at the same time, post a story or something the next day, and the mod would already be availible for download (and past the innevitable 980-bytes-per-second-because-everyone-is-getting-the-mod-after-release phase), instead of those people who read the article ending up asking on the forums and getting a "when it's done".
Sure there are people that don't know about NS. There will forever be. But as the internet is structured, those who are interested in playing a game like this, have found it or know where to look. And unless Flayra is fearing a huge feedback of negative response, which is absurd given the time spent on the mod, the quality of the graphics (lv 1 movie... *droooool*), and the attention to balance, then a release to fans and PR websites at the same time can only help the mod.
Just my thoughts, feel free to flame, no offence to anyone intended here. <!--emo&:)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'><!--endemo-->
But on the other hand, it wouldn't make that much of a difference because we all know that NS is going to make a HUGE splash and in time EVERYBODY who is into half-life will know about it.
Oh I just got quesy that "set in gold" comment got me excited and my adrenalin pulsed and left me light headed. <!--emo&:(--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('><!--endemo-->
Working on these. So far I have talked to some Brazilian and Argentinian ones.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Wow you actually mentioned NZ! That's nice of you Since there will be NZ servers you have to give it to the site www.gameplanet.co.nz you just have to please!!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
They have been contacted, but no response yet.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td><b>Quote</b> </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><!--QuoteEBegin-->Sure there are people that don't know about NS. There will forever be. But as the internet is structured, those who are interested in playing a game like this, have found it or know where to look. And unless Flayra is fearing a huge feedback of negative response, which is absurd given the time spent on the mod, the quality of the graphics (lv 1 movie... *droooool*), and the attention to balance, then a release to fans and PR websites at the same time can only help the mod.
Just my thoughts, feel free to flame, no offence to anyone intended here<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You would think from the quantity of PR sent out over the past year that lots of people would know about NS. But I've gotten responses from Server Mirror admins (who's job is to keep up with games), saying 'NS whaaaaa?'. It's humbling, but true; hype is the way to go, and having a couple straight days of super PR blitz will help overcome this hopefully.
Think of it like Christmas - come December, you know you will be getting presents in a few days. It heightens the anticipation and gets you focussed...
I think I'd have to disagree with you on the size of the fan base. Yes, there's a lot of fans out there, but releasing NS to media outlets in advance is a good idea, I think. The more popular this mod is, the more rewarding the NS team's work will have been. (If you choose to measure it that way, anyway.) I'm going to compare NS to the immortal Counter-Strike despite the fact that they'll 'behave' differently in terms of popularity after the release date... it took a while for CS to gain momentum. Up until about Beta 7 or so (as my memory serves, feel free to correct me), CS wasn't THAT popular. It exploded a while after that, but the point is that CS was in development and public beta testing for a looong time before it got popular. The NS crew, it appears, would rather have their mod "explode" right when it goes public. And I don't blame them.
Also, since I've already mentioned CS, let me just say that most CS players seem EXTREMELY hesitant to play any mod that might displace their beloved Counter-Strike. I've posted about NS on several message boards and was greeted with replies like "ehhh, doesn't look like that great." or "but the HL engine looks like ###." Basically all the responses have as an underlying statement "I don' wanna stop playing CS." A big media hype will probably help dislodge some CS players from their rigid adherance to that game, and get more seasoned FPS players under NS's fanbase.
That was a lot longer than I wanted it to be, but oh well, c'est la vie.
Why not have the mod available for DL before the media blitz? Rather than saying
"Here's something really cool, it'll be here in a few days", why not:
"Wow this really cool mod is available NOW! WOOT!"
Or is it just that getting all the mirrors and such setup will take long enough that you'll have time to hype it up?
So this post is dedicatet to all who cant wait for NS to be done...it's nothing fancy and well...kinda sucks compared to NS, and it's about Fishing...
YES, download your copy of the fishing game today! FREE!
<a href="http://user1.7host.com/dragonballdl//The%20Fishing%20Game%20ver.%201,5b.exe" target="_blank">The Fishing Game ver.1,5b</a>
Now dont say i dont spoil you!
BTW - i know that you all wanna ask, when will NS come out...and im not gonna say "when it's done"...im gonna say when i say its done...and i say its done when flyra says its done...that does make a little sense right'?
GOOD WORK ON THE FORUM MONSE!
<!--emo&;)--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'><!--endemo-->
That's his way of saying they aren't releasing till Xmas. <!--emo&:(--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('><!--endemo--> Nah I'm sure that's not true. <!--emo&:D--><img src="http://www.natural-selection.org/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'><!--endemo-->