Question On Umbra

Ripur · January 2004

<div class="IPBDescription">when does it work?</div> So i was sitting here thinking of how much fun lorking is, when a question popped into me skull cavity. How exactly does umbra work? I'm not meaning the random physics BS the manual offers, but the game mechanics. Let me eloborate with diagrams
say you are the lork fighting against the marine

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'>

Now, since bullets = t3h pwnz0r, you spray some umbra to help keep your hide from having some new speed holes popped in it {{ }} = umbra cloud

so in which situations does the umbra stop the bullets from putting t3h pwnz0r on the lerk?

a) Umbra is sprayed on the rine
{{ <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'> }} <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'>

b) umbra lands between you and the rine
<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'> {{ }} <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'>

c) You umbra yourself
<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'> {{ <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'> }}

Now i know for fact situation c will yeild less damage down upon the poor lork, but what about a and b? do you ahve to be in umbra to be protected? or do you simply have to make the umbra be in the line of fire?

anyone know or ahve ideas?

BizZy_9mm_Messiah · January 2004

I think it works all the ways your picture has described. I'd rather put umbra on myself because some marines actually run up to you. So if you sprayed it on him that wouldn't work to well.

Transmission · January 2004

Only when it says "in umbra" on your HUD, does it work. So only C.

BizZy_9mm_Messiah · January 2004

Yea but I could shoot umbra on some wall over there then fly into and get umbra on my hud.

Snapper_Jo · January 2004

Thats cause umbra spreads a bit. Its a gas after all.

-Red

Trayder · January 2004

According to the manuals description it should work in all cases provided the bullets have to go through the umbra.
If there is 1 of the 3 that doesn't work it should. But then again they remade the manual. I hope all 3 work cos if they don't umbra is more nerfed than i thought

Zek · January 2004

Uh, no. Umbra works <i>only</i> when the alien is actually inside the cloud, and it has always been that way. It wasn't nerfed.

Trayder · January 2004

It was nerfed cos it stops less bullets now. I gonna go post in the S&I forum that they should have all 3 ways.

ZERG · January 2004

Umbra is fine.

Diablus · January 2004

if u have DOD take the "hitsandbag" sound and replace it with umbrablock in ur sound/weapons folder (it sounds better and lauder so u can hear the bullets being blocked) i do add umbra does in fact block a HELLA lot of bullets now that i replaced the sound!

HostileTarget · January 2004

Relating to the sounds post.. get GCFScape to browse the DOD GCF file.

<a href='http://countermap.counter-strike.net/Nemesis' target='_blank'>http://countermap.counter-strike.net/Nemesis</a>

The sounds are in the weapons folders. dod's sound\weapons\hit_sand1.wav and copy it to NS's sound\weapons\umbrablocked.wav

And remember to always back up your files. (ie keep a second copy of umbrablocked.wav somewhere.)

Aea · January 2004

There's now a post in suggestions, I would be thrilled to see it work like the umbra being between the gun and the lerk <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Ripur · January 2004

I mean, if the game mechanics can be made so that any bullets passsingthrough the umbra could be effected, it would only make sense that it shoul be so
I could for see the problem of having umbra stackable by having bullets pass through multiple clouds.

<img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'> <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'> {{ }} {{ }} {{ }} <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/lerk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='lerk.gif'>
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Ahnteis · January 2004

It's much easier computationally to test for aliens IN umbra rather then BEHIND umbra.

Wheeee · January 2004

hmm, not so sure about that... it would just be an extra hitscan, which wouldn't be so bad. especially if you kept the umbra to a regular (e.g. sphere) shaped-spread.

BizZy_9mm_Messiah · January 2004

Ok now I know for sure it works only when you are in it. So you can spray it at the marines, or in at a wall but you have to fly into the umbra cloud to be protected.

jabs · January 2004

Since no one has correctly responded to this, it works in a and c only.

BizZy_9mm_Messiah · January 2004

Jabs is that you in the avatar? Because it looks an awful lot like this guy named Spencer aka American Psycho. Anyways I did answer the question correctly.

Cronos · January 2004

Now that everyone is done speculating, Umbra only WORKS when you are IN umbra.

Marines in Umbra firing out to a lerk NOT in umbra will do full damage to a lerk.

Marines in front of umbra and lerk behind umbra will take full damage (Umbra may as well not be there)

Marines in front of umbra and lerk IN umbra will result in damage reduction.

Answer: It works in scenario C. ONLY.

Ph0enix · January 2004

<a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=17&t=26849&hl=umbra&st=0' target='_blank'>http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/in...9&hl=umbra&st=0</a>

I can always rely on the oldie but goldie questions to crop up from time to time <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

Majin · January 2004

Umbra only works when you are in it. I forget how many rounds it stops now (its been changed so many times) but I think its something like 1 in 5. I can remember when it was 1 in 2 and it was overpowered, but now its a bit under powered.

I think it needs to stop 1 in 3 rounds due to the fact it is the only thing that can protect a hive in NS:C due to the lack of a gorge.

Align · January 2004

1 out of 3.
It's supposed to be 2 out of 3, but it's bugged. Of course, fixed in 3.0.

Oh and by the way, I, too, thought it worked in A as well as C. But then I tested by starting my own server and making 3 turrets and going lerk with 2 hives after switching team- Only C works. :/

xect · January 2004

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Majin @ Jan 19 2004, 03:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Umbra only works when you are in it. I forget how many rounds it stops now (its been changed so many times) but I think its something like 1 in 5. I can remember when it was 1 in 2 and it was overpowered, but now its a bit under powered.  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
Originally, it blocked something like 6 out of 7 bullets. If it blocked only half, it would be underpowered (but then again, it's bugged to only block a third now, but that's a bug)

ZdrozZ · January 2004

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (xect @ Jan 19 2004, 11:28 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Originally, it blocked something like 6 out of 7 bullets. If it blocked only half, it would be underpowered (but then again, it's bugged to only block a third now, but that's a bug)  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
I remember the good old times when it was possible to kill 2 HA/HMG marines as lerk with bite+umbra <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'>

Rover · January 2004

It works when you are IN the orange stuff...because this way you can umbra your rushing/escaping/... teammates like onoses from a distance...

Renegade. · January 2004

To all those agreeing with the proceeding I support you and you have been graced with rightness.... To all those in disagreement with the proceeding I inform you so take out you pen and paper...

<span style='color:orange'>Works: </span> Case C ONLY, as in when you see the word "umbra" or "in umbra" on your hud

<span style='color:orange'>Why: </span> Although this poses obvious reality flaws it has not been seeked to remedy it (it will not be changed)

<span style='color:orange'>Source:</span> I know this because I have tested this myself against a newb marine (who work brilliantly doubling as lab rats) and found that the blocking sound and damaged blocked were onlyl effective while the hud displayed I was in the umbra. I also have fallin victim to many bad umbra shots (resembling A and B) which did not block any shots (no sound played & I got pwned).

<span style='color:orange'>Reality:</span> now to those (including myself) who think that umbra, in true reality, should work in all three conditions given simple point to point physics (i.e object 1 infront of object 2 will get hit first) I leave you with this:
what kinda gas (the 2nd "weakest" bonding state of matter) blocks 5.56mm super-sonic explosive ballistic shells anyways!?!?

Ripur · January 2004

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (@nthony @ Jan 20 2004, 12:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
<span style='color:orange'>Reality:</span> now to those (including myself) who think that umbra, in true reality, should work in all three conditions given simple point to point physics (i.e object 1 infront of object 2 will get hit first) I leave you with this:
what kinda gas (the 2nd "weakest" bonding state of matter) blocks 5.56mm super-sonic explosive ballistic shells anyways!?!?  </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> 
It... becuase.......well...... It has Nanites,yea <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'>

Verthandi · January 2004

Taken from the thread discussing Umbra, linked above:

</span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Umbra doesn't 'block' bullets... The nano-bac in the Umbra cloud latch onto Kharaa skin forming a short lived (and not entirely perfect) reflec armour layer.

If you're not in the umbra cloud, then it's not forming that layer.

There you go. Makes perfect sense to me <img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'>

joev.</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>

Delphi · January 2004

Currently, it's not a mode that bullets go through at all.

It's an alien only "structure" of sorts, created by fire that enables projectile damage omitting while in said state.

It's like carapace. You have carapace and (supposedly, at any rate), armor takes more damage then without carapace. With umbra, you ignore more shots (heh) then without umbra.

No amount of complaining will get scenarios A or B to work, since the cloud is not a weapon or structure or anything else you fire "through". It's a state on objects that are being hit.

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