<!--QuoteBegin--Bosnian+Dec 30 2003, 10:48 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Bosnian @ Dec 30 2003, 10:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> By the way, if you were wondering, Blade Runner just beat you and you can't do a damn thing about it. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Ill take Ghost in the Shell over Blade Runner any day.
<!--QuoteBegin--Bosnian+Dec 31 2003, 03:50 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Bosnian @ Dec 31 2003, 03:50 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Geminosity+Dec 30 2003, 10:43 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Geminosity @ Dec 30 2003, 10:43 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> By the way, though bladerunner is considered classic and I like the effects I don't hold any great love for the film... it actually bored me a bit ^^; <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I can understand that. But anime doesn’t bore me. It annoys me. It pokes me in the eye as I watch it. It makes fun of me, my beliefs, my family, and everything I hold dear. I hate anime, because anime hates me. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Ah! I know what the problem is! You're only watching kids' anime!
Let's go through this in order...
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I have certain problems with most anime that I just can’t get over. There’s the lack of a central atmosphere in most anime.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> More mature animes have a very strong central atmosphere. Kiddy ones are very light on central theme. <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It’s cute to say you laughed and cried, but please shut up, you only did one<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->. The better ones make you laugh many more times than once, and I'm not talking about run of the mill cartoon humour here. I've got a pretty demanding sense of humour, but GTO (for example) puts me in stitches. Furthermore, I'm currently watching She the Ultimate Weapon in two-weekly doses, and I'm nearly in tears by the end of each episode. And I'm a guy. Mind you, that particular one is <i>very</i> mature. <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->My eyes are not meant to view comedically conflicting emotions.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> So you don't watch non-animated romantic comedies, either? Exactly the same thing. And I'm not trying to point out a contradiction in your logic, because romantic comedies give me the s***s, and so does this type of anime.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I mean, God, you just got dumped, it’s not time to make an impossible facial expression and hold your arms and legs out like you’re an X and then jump around! NO! I don’t want that. Why do tears flow from their faces for no reason in one frame and then they stand with dramatized dignity in the next? *punches TV* WHY?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Hehe... Ok, this <i>is</i> just a cultural thing. You get used to it. And, not all animes are like this - once again, it's mostly kiddy ones.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Does every character have to be so boring and yet have a uniquely appalling visual style? Do the Japanese people feel they somehow must compensate for their visual simplicity in reality by making and watching people who wear horrible clothes and have dyed and spiky hair? I’m not talking about Americans.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Almost all anime characters have something unique about their visual appearence, but not all are boring. Come on, if you're watching cartoons made for kids, how deep do you think their characters are going to be? No deeper than their 30cm spiky hair.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Keep in mind, I’ve only seen what’s on Cartoon Network. That’s bad anime, folks. But it’s depressing to see some of it show up on the favorites lists of the people who post here.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Zigackly. Cartoon Network is a kids' channel. Not all anime is for kids.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I really like Cowboy Bebop. But that’s probably inspired by Blade Runner (among other things). It has to be, sci-fi noir sticks together.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Zigackly. More mature anime.
In short: anime is a medium, not a package. It ranges from violent, stylish, scary, abstract, wacky, funny, stupid, plain offensive, pornographic, bizzare, intelligent, and more. You don't have to eat everything from the salad bar, just what you're interested in. There are some people who enjoy all salad, even the kiddy section; but they aren't everyone.
Anime\manga are aimed at specific audiences. For example, Sailor Moon is aimed at young girls, and Ranma 1\2 is aimed at teenage boys. Ranma 1\2 is utterly innappropriate for young girls, and it's a safe bet that the average teenage boy would prefer dental work than having to sit through Sailor Moon.
That said, go get your grubby mitts on Gunslinger Girl. Definately not the kind of thing you'd see on Cartoon Network.
Secondly. Bosnian, stop watching anime right now. Jesus christ, your saying that a series is insulting you, realise that it wasn't decided specifically just to **** you off and your beliefs... You're trying to twist whatever story your watching into something that will either annoy or please you. That, or you simply do not enjoy some of the finer points of anime... So yeah, anime is probably not for you...
To answer your question. Vash doesn't use his gun often because he doesn't want to kill people, which screws with his mind further down the track when Legato makes Vash kill him.
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<!--QuoteBegin--pieceofsoap+Dec 30 2003, 02:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (pieceofsoap @ Dec 30 2003, 02:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Bosnian+Dec 30 2003, 10:48 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Bosnian @ Dec 30 2003, 10:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> By the way, if you were wondering, Blade Runner just beat you and you can't do a damn thing about it. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Ill take Ghost in the Shell over Blade Runner any day. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> I'll take AKIRA over Ghost in the Shell anyday.
<!--QuoteBegin--Liku+Dec 31 2003, 01:08 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Liku @ Dec 31 2003, 01:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'll take AKIRA over Ghost in the Shell anyday.
<!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Sam here.
Eventhough GITS is not that bad of a movie, I feel that they totally butchered the original manga by creating that movie, It's like they took the whole concept, and threw everything away except the cyborgs and the puppetmaster.
At least the Akira movie is somewhat more loyal to the original manga, eventhough they still cut out some good parts.
<!--QuoteBegin---Lurker-+Dec 31 2003, 02:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (-Lurker- @ Dec 31 2003, 02:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Liku+Dec 31 2003, 01:08 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Liku @ Dec 31 2003, 01:08 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> I'll take AKIRA over Ghost in the Shell anyday.
<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Sam here.
Eventhough GITS is not that bad of a movie, I feel that they totally butchered the original manga by creating that movie, It's like they took the whole concept, and threw everything away except the cyborgs and the puppetmaster.
At least the Akira movie is somewhat more loyal to the original manga, eventhough they still cut out some good parts. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Saying they "cut out some good parts" about Akira is the understatement of the century. Akira's manga is 6-8 volumes (I can't remember exactly, sorry) of books as thick as your arm. Tokyo gets destroyed about every 3 pages and there's so much story that they just couldn't fit it into a movie and still make it an acceptable length. While the movie did pretty well to cover as much as possible, it pales horrifically in comparison to the manga.
I know i'll probably be outcast by all anime fans, but i don't really like Akira. It's boring, doesn't entirely make much sense and i've just seen it too many damn times.
At least the new dub makes some sense. I was incredibly freaked out when I watched the original dubbed version (we had allmost no subbed anime in the stores back then), because it just didn't make sense at all.
And at least Akira, the movie, has the same genre as the manga.
Ghost in the shell manga: (political/humour/action).
SoulSkorpion, I ignored your post since I don't like when people take apart my post with those stupid segmented quotes and nitpick details and portray everything out of context. I'm not sure if you did but I don't care to find out. I don't think anyone else likes that either, so stop doing that.
I watched Akira. I liked it. I'll try something else.
<!--QuoteBegin--Bosnian+Dec 31 2003, 10:47 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Bosnian @ Dec 31 2003, 10:47 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> SoulSkorpion, I ignored your post since I don't like when people take apart my post with those stupid segmented quotes and nitpick details and portray everything out of context. I'm not sure if you did but I don't care to find out. I don't think anyone else likes that either, so stop doing that.
I watched Akira. I liked it. I'll try something else. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Princess Mononoke would be good choice. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I'm not so sure bos would like neon gen as the stuff about 'thermal expansion' and whatnot sounds like the kind of things he loooooathes ^~ I couldn't stop hating shinji throughout each episode... he's one of the most unlikable characters I've ever seen; but that's just from the dub so maybe his japanese counterpart is slightly less pathetic? ><
One could just as well argue that Princess Mononoke is a story of a kid trying to save an industrialized city, you know...
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I couldn't stop hating shinji throughout each episode... he's one of the most unlikable characters I've ever seen; but that's just from the dub so maybe his japanese counterpart is slightly less pathetic? >< <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> No, he isn't, but truth be told, I liked to see a depressed 'hero'. Back then, it was a change to all those 'Twenty nuclear missles are homing in on our position? Well, <b>let them come!</b>' - heroes that I was used to. Man, how times change.
<!--QuoteBegin--Bosnian+Dec 31 2003, 11:17 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Bosnian @ Dec 31 2003, 11:17 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> That's much cooler than saving the rain forest. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> What I ment to say is that descriptions don't mean anything. Studio Gibli anime is of such quality that you can't just put it in a small box with a small description card. It's one of those movies everyone should have seen.
But if you don't like that.. I guess you're just one of those diehard "I don't watch anything unless it's my Genre" people. Shame really.
But like I said, you might like Evangelion, or Ghost in the Shell. Don't really care if you do though. Some people are just to stubborn and prefer to only watch their own genre, while not wanting to broaden their taste and actually 'watch' (not 'see') certain masterpieces and <b>understand</b> why they are masterpieces.
I'm not really sure if Evangelion would be a good suggestion though. You'd probably just classify it as an overglorified cartoon version of power rangers, with a bittersweet core of teen angst and religion.
Argue it all you will, to me he was a sissy trying to save the rain forest. I just didn't like him. He <i>cared</i> too much.
Edit: I should mention, even though I have before, that I liked Spirited Away. Great movie. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm going to like something else that goes along the same theme as Spirited Away. I'm going to go "get" Ghost in the Shell.
you liked spirited away but not princess monoke? =o
I don't mind 'unusual' heroes really, nor that Shinji was so depressing... it's more the fact he's so pathetic. He spends most of his time getting booted around by the other characters, cowering, running away, being niave and generally flopping about bonelessly. He's got no passion about him... heck I don't like rei either; it's characters with some life in them that make it enjoyable like misato, asuka, the penguin and the purple mech itself.
Shinji's only interests in life seem to be breathing and contemplating silly questions.
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Well, NGE is my specialty. When it comes to characters and story, I could slaughter ANYONE on these boards about Eva. I was in the hardcore eva community for a long time, and am still on the mailing list(though because I"m on AOL I cannot participate). I know more about the backstory and the difference of everything than anyone here.
The reason Anno Hideaki wanted Shinji to be a depressed person, was just for realities sake. He had gone through a pretty troubling life- he was born into a world of disaster, his mom died 4 years later, his dad dissappeared from sight, he was moved to a home to live with his Teacher(with his aunt and uncle in the manga), which none of them cared for him at all(it seems the aunt and uncle did, but with their reluctancy to believe him about anything, like when he was 5 and he found a bike under a bridge, and he took it, until the police saw him all alone, in which he told them he found it, but they didn't believe him, nigh did his aunt and uncle. Not much later in the manga they even built him a "Study Room" in the woods surrounding their house so he could spend all of his time studying, which he did. But being they had also put a bed in there...he just stayed there. Only went back to the house for food). He led a very troubled life, it'd be worthless without it either. Most the series is about him finding himself, as well as Rei understanding what she wants and Asuka what she needs.
His depression made it much harder on Gainax- the original script had him as a long haired guy whos eyes you couldn't see when he was sad, but at the same time was a "Normal Kid".
Evangelion has to be one of the most realistic(character wise) animes ever. Never seen characters act more like people in a world of constant change. Its great. Fav anime evar!
Quaunaut: I won't dispute your position, but let's just say I spent three years working on fansubbing the entire series, plus the movies, and was a "hardcore" fan throughout... probably bought every damn Newtype during those years just to look for crap about Eva. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> Haven't read the manga, though; by the time I was through with Eva (both fansub and fandom-wise), the manga had barely taken off past the first few volumes.
I still think Grave of the Fireflies is the most human (and has the most human, so to speak) characters.
Gem: I hated Mononoke-hime and LOVED Spirited Away. Also, the only character I really liked in Eva was Kaji ^^
one of my friends is a self-proclaimed EVA nut too... supposedly he won some competition to talk to the guy who did it (don't remember his name because I'm not a fan =3 ) on IRC or something. He might talk nonsense sometimes but he's never flat-out lied about anything so I don't really have any reason to doubt him on that one =P
Studio Ghibli is what got me started on anime... one of the TV channels over here (BBC 2) decided to air it and I just had the TV on in the background while I was getting dressed to go to a party with my parents (It was quite a while ago... think I was 11 or 12?). Anyways I ended up only half-dressed and delayed my parents until right up to the end. Later I bought Dominion tank police and kept going from there ^^
I'm with athena on Grave of the fireflies, but it's a really, really sad film <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->
AllUrHiveRblong2usBy Your Powers Combined...Join Date: 2002-12-20Member: 11244Members
Inf the fact that you put Tenchi Muyo anywhere NEAR that list makes me question all things that I onced believed.
Anyway, as for the greatest anime of all time, you'll notice that my list is populated mostly by works of Gainax, but NGE is at the bottom for a reason, because it seems to set out to annoy the watcher (in fact I made an AMV just recently commenting on this fact). Entirely unlikable characters, the only few characters that are realistic in any sense either don't do anything to the story or just kinda leave before anything really interesting happens. It's a good series, it's got a great plot and despite the fact that all the biblical imagery is BS, it's quite "deep" as well, but I'm sorry, FLCL kicks its buttocks.
1)FLCL 2)Abenobashi Mahou Shotengai (the only anime I've ever seen with a monty python reference, so it HAS to rule) 3)Ebichu (kinda iffy for a few episodes, but Ebichuman manages to overcome any problems the series may have) 4)NGE 5)Chobits (come on, that's gotta be on here. Robot with a whistle! How can you lose?!?)
# Onegai Twins/Teacher - Wonderful artwork music and story. They are both short at 12 and 13 eps each but still if you aint seen it go and watch it now (If you loved chobits you will love this probally more). # Ghost in the shell - Second movie is due out this year, Just finished watching GITS SAC and throughly enjoyed it. I love those kawaii blue Tachikoma tanks. # Last exile - Wonderful artwork and idea although the story line could have been better it was still pretty good. #Full metal panic - Good character development and storyline. One of the best mecha anime's around. #G.T.O - This has to be the best anime drama ever made <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> .
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<!--QuoteBegin--Cpl.Davis+Jan 1 2004, 12:15 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Cpl.Davis @ Jan 1 2004, 12:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> which tenchi muyo would you say is the best?
In tokyo, in love, etc <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> How bout Tenchi in hell?
Oh and just for the Gainax fans. Cheers to the first person to name each characters name and what series they come from. I'm confident you won't get 3 of them. The others are pretty easy.
Gainax Tea Party Hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Watching some of these movies and shows you guys suggested has bipolarized my feelings about anime so much that I feel like one of my own renegade limbs is going to beat me to death if I ever come near another anime again. I'm just going to ignore anime for now.
I've ordered some of the things I'm more likely to be into, DVDs of the Decalogue series and Ikiru. I'll post a topic about my experiences with those once they arrive.
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Ill take Ghost in the Shell over Blade Runner any day.
I can understand that. But anime doesn’t bore me. It annoys me. It pokes me in the eye as I watch it. It makes fun of me, my beliefs, my family, and everything I hold dear. I hate anime, because anime hates me. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Ah! I know what the problem is! You're only watching kids' anime!
Let's go through this in order...
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I have certain problems with most anime that I just can’t get over. There’s the lack of a central atmosphere in most anime.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
More mature animes have a very strong central atmosphere. Kiddy ones are very light on central theme.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It’s cute to say you laughed and cried, but please shut up, you only did one<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->.
The better ones make you laugh many more times than once, and I'm not talking about run of the mill cartoon humour here. I've got a pretty demanding sense of humour, but GTO (for example) puts me in stitches. Furthermore, I'm currently watching She the Ultimate Weapon in two-weekly doses, and I'm nearly in tears by the end of each episode. And I'm a guy. Mind you, that particular one is <i>very</i> mature.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->My eyes are not meant to view comedically conflicting emotions.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So you don't watch non-animated romantic comedies, either? Exactly the same thing. And I'm not trying to point out a contradiction in your logic, because romantic comedies give me the s***s, and so does this type of anime.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I mean, God, you just got dumped, it’s not time to make an impossible facial expression and hold your arms and legs out like you’re an X and then jump around! NO! I don’t want that. Why do tears flow from their faces for no reason in one frame and then they stand with dramatized dignity in the next? *punches TV* WHY?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hehe... Ok, this <i>is</i> just a cultural thing. You get used to it. And, not all animes are like this - once again, it's mostly kiddy ones.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Does every character have to be so boring and yet have a uniquely appalling visual style? Do the Japanese people feel they somehow must compensate for their visual simplicity in reality by making and watching people who wear horrible clothes and have dyed and spiky hair? I’m not talking about Americans.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Almost all anime characters have something unique about their visual appearence, but not all are boring. Come on, if you're watching cartoons made for kids, how deep do you think their characters are going to be? No deeper than their 30cm spiky hair.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Keep in mind, I’ve only seen what’s on Cartoon Network. That’s bad anime, folks. But it’s depressing to see some of it show up on the favorites lists of the people who post here.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Zigackly. Cartoon Network is a kids' channel. Not all anime is for kids.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I really like Cowboy Bebop. But that’s probably inspired by Blade Runner (among other things). It has to be, sci-fi noir sticks together.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Zigackly. More mature anime.
In short: anime is a medium, not a package. It ranges from violent, stylish, scary, abstract, wacky, funny, stupid, plain offensive, pornographic, bizzare, intelligent, and more. You don't have to eat everything from the salad bar, just what you're interested in. There are some people who enjoy all salad, even the kiddy section; but they aren't everyone.
Anime\manga are aimed at specific audiences. For example, Sailor Moon is aimed at young girls, and Ranma 1\2 is aimed at teenage boys. Ranma 1\2 is utterly innappropriate for young girls, and it's a safe bet that the average teenage boy would prefer dental work than having to sit through Sailor Moon.
That said, go get your grubby mitts on Gunslinger Girl. Definately not the kind of thing you'd see on Cartoon Network.
Secondly. Bosnian, stop watching anime right now. Jesus christ, your saying that a series is insulting you, realise that it wasn't decided specifically just to **** you off and your beliefs... You're trying to twist whatever story your watching into something that will either annoy or please you. That, or you simply do not enjoy some of the finer points of anime...
So yeah, anime is probably not for you...
To answer your question. Vash doesn't use his gun often because he doesn't want to kill people, which screws with his mind further down the track when Legato makes Vash kill him.
Thirdly. Stiney, get me a danish.
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I'll take AKIRA over Ghost in the Shell anyday.
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No, the show's horrendous, but the game's fun.
as soon as my sister went to sleep, i stole her GBA.. i can't stop playing -_-
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Sam here.
Eventhough GITS is not that bad of a movie, I feel that they totally butchered the original manga by creating that movie, It's like they took the whole concept, and threw everything away except the cyborgs and the puppetmaster.
At least the Akira movie is somewhat more loyal to the original manga, eventhough they still cut out some good parts.
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Sam here.
Eventhough GITS is not that bad of a movie, I feel that they totally butchered the original manga by creating that movie, It's like they took the whole concept, and threw everything away except the cyborgs and the puppetmaster.
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Saying they "cut out some good parts" about Akira is the understatement of the century. Akira's manga is 6-8 volumes (I can't remember exactly, sorry) of books as thick as your arm. Tokyo gets destroyed about every 3 pages and there's so much story that they just couldn't fit it into a movie and still make it an acceptable length. While the movie did pretty well to cover as much as possible, it pales horrifically in comparison to the manga.
I know i'll probably be outcast by all anime fans, but i don't really like Akira. It's boring, doesn't entirely make much sense and i've just seen it too many damn times.
And at least Akira, the movie, has the same genre as the manga.
Ghost in the shell manga: (political/humour/action).
Ghost in the shell movie: (psychological/action).
I watched Akira. I liked it. I'll try something else.
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Princess Mononoke would be good choice. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Edit: You might like the Neon Genesis Evangelion series, or Ghost in the shell ("Stand alone complex" if you can get it).
I'm not sure if you saw Cowboy Bebop allready, but that would be a good choice too.
I couldn't stop hating shinji throughout each episode... he's one of the most unlikable characters I've ever seen; but that's just from the dub so maybe his japanese counterpart is slightly less pathetic? ><
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No, he isn't, but truth be told, I liked to see a depressed 'hero'. Back then, it was a change to all those 'Twenty nuclear missles are homing in on our position? Well, <b>let them come!</b>' - heroes that I was used to.
Man, how times change.
What I ment to say is that descriptions don't mean anything. Studio Gibli anime is of such quality that you can't just put it in a small box with a small description card. It's one of those movies everyone should have seen.
But if you don't like that.. I guess you're just one of those diehard "I don't watch anything unless it's my Genre" people. Shame really.
But like I said, you might like Evangelion, or Ghost in the Shell. Don't really care if you do though. Some people are just to stubborn and prefer to only watch their own genre, while not wanting to broaden their taste and actually 'watch' (not 'see') certain masterpieces and <b>understand</b> why they are masterpieces.
I'm not really sure if Evangelion would be a good suggestion though. You'd probably just classify it as an overglorified cartoon version of power rangers, with a bittersweet core of teen angst and religion.
Edit: I should mention, even though I have before, that I liked Spirited Away. Great movie. Of course, that doesn't mean I'm going to like something else that goes along the same theme as Spirited Away. I'm going to go "get" Ghost in the Shell.
I don't mind 'unusual' heroes really, nor that Shinji was so depressing... it's more the fact he's so pathetic. He spends most of his time getting booted around by the other characters, cowering, running away, being niave and generally flopping about bonelessly. He's got no passion about him... heck I don't like rei either; it's characters with some life in them that make it enjoyable like misato, asuka, the penguin and the purple mech itself.
Shinji's only interests in life seem to be breathing and contemplating silly questions.
The reason Anno Hideaki wanted Shinji to be a depressed person, was just for realities sake. He had gone through a pretty troubling life- he was born into a world of disaster, his mom died 4 years later, his dad dissappeared from sight, he was moved to a home to live with his Teacher(with his aunt and uncle in the manga), which none of them cared for him at all(it seems the aunt and uncle did, but with their reluctancy to believe him about anything, like when he was 5 and he found a bike under a bridge, and he took it, until the police saw him all alone, in which he told them he found it, but they didn't believe him, nigh did his aunt and uncle. Not much later in the manga they even built him a "Study Room" in the woods surrounding their house so he could spend all of his time studying, which he did. But being they had also put a bed in there...he just stayed there. Only went back to the house for food). He led a very troubled life, it'd be worthless without it either. Most the series is about him finding himself, as well as Rei understanding what she wants and Asuka what she needs.
His depression made it much harder on Gainax- the original script had him as a long haired guy whos eyes you couldn't see when he was sad, but at the same time was a "Normal Kid".
Evangelion has to be one of the most realistic(character wise) animes ever. Never seen characters act more like people in a world of constant change. Its great. Fav anime evar!
I still think Grave of the Fireflies is the most human (and has the most human, so to speak) characters.
Gem: I hated Mononoke-hime and LOVED Spirited Away. Also, the only character I really liked in Eva was Kaji ^^
Studio Ghibli is what got me started on anime... one of the TV channels over here (BBC 2) decided to air it and I just had the TV on in the background while I was getting dressed to go to a party with my parents (It was quite a while ago... think I was 11 or 12?). Anyways I ended up only half-dressed and delayed my parents until right up to the end. Later I bought Dominion tank police and kept going from there ^^
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Anyway, as for the greatest anime of all time, you'll notice that my list is populated mostly by works of Gainax, but NGE is at the bottom for a reason, because it seems to set out to annoy the watcher (in fact I made an AMV just recently commenting on this fact). Entirely unlikable characters, the only few characters that are realistic in any sense either don't do anything to the story or just kinda leave before anything really interesting happens. It's a good series, it's got a great plot and despite the fact that all the biblical imagery is BS, it's quite "deep" as well, but I'm sorry, FLCL kicks its buttocks.
1)FLCL
2)Abenobashi Mahou Shotengai (the only anime I've ever seen with a monty python reference, so it HAS to rule)
3)Ebichu (kinda iffy for a few episodes, but Ebichuman manages to overcome any problems the series may have)
4)NGE
5)Chobits (come on, that's gotta be on here. Robot with a whistle! How can you lose?!?)
In tokyo, in love, etc
# Onegai Twins/Teacher - Wonderful artwork music and story. They are both short at 12 and 13 eps each but still if you aint seen it go and watch it now (If you loved chobits you will love this probally more).
# Ghost in the shell - Second movie is due out this year, Just finished watching GITS SAC and throughly enjoyed it. I love those kawaii blue Tachikoma tanks.
# Last exile - Wonderful artwork and idea although the story line could have been better it was still pretty good.
#Full metal panic - Good character development and storyline. One of the best mecha anime's around.
#G.T.O - This has to be the best anime drama ever made <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> .
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How bout Tenchi in hell?
Oh and just for the Gainax fans. Cheers to the first person to name each characters name and what series they come from. I'm confident you won't get 3 of them. The others are pretty easy.
Gainax Tea Party Hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
I've ordered some of the things I'm more likely to be into, DVDs of the Decalogue series and Ikiru. I'll post a topic about my experiences with those once they arrive.