Team Stacking...

N1RampageN1Rampage Join Date: 2003-12-15 Member: 24420Members
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I'm really getting tired of it... not on a few times, but now it's ALL the time...

15(rines) vs. 7 (aliens) isn't fair...
9 (rines) vs. 14 (aliens) isn't fair...

EVERY TIME I PLAY THIS HAPPENS. I often switch teams to help fix the void, but atleast trying to solve the problem.

Personally, I think they should remove the F4 option, and when you are put on a server, you get auto-assigned. You DONT GET TO CHOOSE (unless of a clan match, of course).

I needed a place to vent out... Sorry...

Thank you for your time!

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  • CypherCypher Join Date: 2003-03-16 Member: 14579Members
    I dont think I've ever experienced something that bad...

    Clan stacking however is worse...
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  • rknZrknZ Join Date: 2003-10-23 Member: 21885Members
    mp_limitteams is still broke aint it??
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  • N1RampageN1Rampage Join Date: 2003-12-15 Member: 24420Members
    Here are some examples...
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  • DelphiDelphi Join Date: 2003-04-02 Member: 15134Members, Constellation
    Find a server with random team plugin (Every portal is random. even jointeamone and jointeamtwo commands).

    Find a server with an mp_limitteams of 1 or 2. Most have it off to allow people to join a lower side (Like 8v3) when it becomes unbalanced (This is fixed in 3.0). Most servers also have mp_autoconcede off as well.
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  • N1RampageN1Rampage Join Date: 2003-12-15 Member: 24420Members
    Another...
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  • N1RampageN1Rampage Join Date: 2003-12-15 Member: 24420Members
    AND ANOTHER, all these from today.
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  • DelphiDelphi Join Date: 2003-04-02 Member: 15134Members, Constellation
    If those screenshots were 1-4 minutes into the game, I might side with you. But they're 20-30 minutes in.. Which would probably mean that someone f4'ed.. or left, or whatever. Thus your argument is moot.
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  • N1RampageN1Rampage Join Date: 2003-12-15 Member: 24420Members
    edited December 2003
    Well, these are some extreme example. Only a few minutes of this is deadly!


    YOU CAN'T MAKE FVCKING EXCUSSES FOR THIS!
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  • N1RampageN1Rampage Join Date: 2003-12-15 Member: 24420Members
    Actually, one is on an hour a round server. See the HMG? See the Fade and SG on the other one?
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  • DelphiDelphi Join Date: 2003-04-02 Member: 15134Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--N1Rampage+Dec 20 2003, 10:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (N1Rampage @ Dec 20 2003, 10:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Well, these are some extreme example. Only a few minutes of this is deadly!


    YOU CAN'T MAKE FVCKING EXCUSSES FOR THIS! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yes, I can.

    First one? Looks like your team (Including YOU) f4'ed.

    Second one? Couple quit (Frustration, etc.) couple F4'ed.

    Third? Same.

    I see no concrete proof here. Like I said, try some new servers.
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  • N1RampageN1Rampage Join Date: 2003-12-15 Member: 24420Members
    edited December 2003
    Dude... read what I put on my first post you illiterate jerk, I will switch teams to help to try to balance them out again. I also said they should remove the F4 option as well. It gets old having half your team jump ship at a moments notice...
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  • ShawnDShawnD Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7827Members
    Being forced onto a team? That is the stupidest idea ever. Some guys like being humans and some guys like being aliens. Forcing people onto teams will just kill the game because it takes away choice.
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  • devicenulldevicenull Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15967Members, NS2 Playtester, Squad Five Blue
    Maybe.. you need to play on a server that has mp_autoconcede working, and a fixed mp_limitteams(theres a plugin to do this)
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  • PowerslavEPowerslavE Join Date: 2003-10-25 Member: 21962Members
    Just play on servers with admins smart enough to set mp_limiteams to 1/2 rather than 0 and *poof*; just as dn said.
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  • WarriorWarrior Join Date: 2003-02-16 Member: 13624Members
    edited December 2003
    Nevermind.
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  • ShawnDShawnD Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7827Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Warrior+Dec 20 2003, 10:57 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Warrior @ Dec 20 2003, 10:57 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Wow look at the f4ers, that caused the game to be like that....

    .... And look you f4ed also. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Good call <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • Norml_E_HighNorml_E_High Join Date: 2003-03-30 Member: 15055Members
    Well, pretty much every server I ever join does not have team balance enabled... however it's neither so bad that 10 people can join marines when 2 are on aliens. It's usually just 1 or 2 people can join before it wont let anymore. The big situation where what you described happens, is when the teams ARE even, and one team is getting their teeth kicked in, and they all leave. I'll admit even I don't want to change teams in most of those situations, because the winning team has things so locked down, it would be just me joining your team to die alot with you. Instead I usually stay on the team I started on, and finish out the game, or wait for the rest of the other team to F4. No point in drawing out a long, get our faces beat in and draw the game out. Better for the team with less people to either all f4, or lose. Usually the commander, or the hive mind <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->, will decide to go quickly finish them off. I've never been on marines when it was 10 to 5 and have the commander play a normal game. They usually spend all the res on shotguns and head to the hive. I know it may seem cold, but its better to start a new game, no exception. On the other hand, I am aware that there are server admins out there dumb enough to make the auto team balance so out of whack that 10 people could join marines when aliens have only 2. Don't play on these servers anymore. People see who was on the winning team last round/map and join their team every game from then on. No need to have grief because of nub server operators.
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  • HazeHaze O RLY? Join Date: 2003-07-07 Member: 18018Members, Constellation
    Picture one: Everyones F4'in, just like you, from a loss. If your trying to balance it out <u><b>39:42</b></u> minutes into the game, why didnt you even it out earlier in the game!?

    Picture two: 16 minute game, fustration, something, dunno, those are stacked teams and people are screaming teams, maybe they didnt F4, maybe some people just left, this is the only picture I see as a fit shot to shoot.

    Picture three: 49 minutes into the game, c'mon!! They're F4'ing from the loss. And you, also, F4'd (From loosing, once again) and your nowhere near a spawn portal. Half your team is dead, you lost, dont take pictures like that with people F4'ing early.

    And now, lets look at the times you posted...

    First, starting topic post was at 10:26 PM.
    The other two pictures that you took "today" (ya right) were posted at 10:33 PM.
    The last was at 10:34 PM, and all these are on Dec. 20.

    The time inbetween 10:26 PM & 10:34 PM is approx. 8 minutes.

    Now, could you kindly tell me how you took all these <i>"today"</i> if each game was over 8 minutes long!? Clearly this doesnt happen as often as you state it does. I dont know where you got these pictures, or when you took them, but your did <b>not</b> take them today.

    Done and done.
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  • DelphiDelphi Join Date: 2003-04-02 Member: 15134Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Ha.ze+Dec 20 2003, 11:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ha.ze @ Dec 20 2003, 11:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->
    Now, could you kindly tell me how you took all these <i>"today"</i> if each game was over 8 minutes long!? Clearly this doesnt happen as often as you state it does. I dont know where you got these pictures, or when you took them, but your did <b>not</b> take them today.

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    There's more then 8 minutes in a day. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Maybe he took them this morning?
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  • HazeHaze O RLY? Join Date: 2003-07-07 Member: 18018Members, Constellation
    I doubt he prepared for this thread ahead of time.
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  • HuntyHunty Join Date: 2003-08-09 Member: 19244Members
    Clan stacking is worse.6 clanners vs a team of newbies usually results in one of the 3 scenarios :

    1.Skulk rush,all marines dead.

    2.They proceed to get 9 rts,farm up the marine start exists,and spawn camp like crazy.

    3.Get 9 rts,all the while racking up skulk kills,until,finally 20+ minutes into the round,they finally get 3/3 ha/shotty and kill the hive.

    Either way,its incredibly boring for the losing team,and its so common it happens over 50% of the time.
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  • WarfareWarfare Join Date: 2002-10-29 Member: 1697Members
    But then there's no point in being in a team. Not for me, at least.
    Matches are boring. You have to be there on time et cetera. I just want to play when I want to play, and my old clan worked perfectly for that.
    But we weren't that many that we stacked anything.

    What I hate is when people whine "Teams!" and call it stacking if there's 2 more people on the other team. Or even worse, cry Teams at the end of a game.
    *chuckle*
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  • RabidWeaselRabidWeasel Join Date: 2002-11-02 Member: 5337Members
    Try a server where quitting to RR is a potential bannable offence and there's lots of admins (see sig)
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  • SeekSeek Join Date: 2003-12-15 Member: 24402Members
    There should be a feat at the readyroom where admins could "close" marine/alien pits at will. Maybe some cool BlastDoors that could be activated infront of the pits.
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  • SeekSeek Join Date: 2003-12-15 Member: 24402Members
    I would also like to say that ClanStacking is impossible to stop. If a whole clan joins marines and the other ppl complain they will just remove their clan-tag and they wont have lamejoined <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • HuntyHunty Join Date: 2003-08-09 Member: 19244Members
    If i see lame stuff happening,i take screenshots.Maybe he saw those teams,took screenshots,and later decided to make a thread.
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  • N1RampageN1Rampage Join Date: 2003-12-15 Member: 24420Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Hunty+Dec 21 2003, 08:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hunty @ Dec 21 2003, 08:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If i see lame stuff happening,i take screenshots.Maybe he saw those teams,took screenshots,and later decided to make a thread. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yeah, I'm a bit of a 'combat-photographer'.

    When I see something, I take a pic, then I act on it.
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  • Roger_DodgerRoger_Dodger Join Date: 2003-03-11 Member: 14392Members
    Clan teamstacking is pretty sad generally, if they thought about it if they stay on oppsite teams they could spot each others weaknesses or ideas to consider.

    Screaming about teams late in a game just is completely ineffective, and some of the autoteambalance mods really wreck the fun sometimes.

    I am against team stacking and will change teams unless i have a vital role in my current team.

    - RD
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  • Guardian1Guardian1 Join Date: 2003-09-14 Member: 20853Members
    I'd have to agree... Stacking is becoming a problem. If server admins would just enable team balancing, life would be a little better. I normally go random, but that doesn't help when I'm the only one who does.
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  • killswitchkillswitch Join Date: 2003-02-05 Member: 13141Members, Constellation
    I can literally tell within 10s which team will win, even in the readyroom, and I am roughly 90%, just by looking at who joined which team. Good players like being with good players, and if you're a good player you're an experienced player, and if you're an experienced player, you know who's good and who's not and join that team.
    I don't complain about team NUMBER stacking, I mostly complain about SKILL stacking. Clanners, veterens, and regular should really join opposite teams otherwise it really is just silly.

    BTW: Games that end up 12v8 are usually games where marines are dominating, and no alien wants to play a game like that, so they either quit or new joiners wait in the readyroom.
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