My New Stuff

jumpingjodajumpingjoda Join Date: 2003-12-14 Member: 24367Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
edited December 2003 in Artwork Forum
<div class="IPBDescription">take a look</div> hi all, here i am again, this time i dont present u some ready-for-censoring stuff <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
noooo
this time, i made some hand drawn things... pretty noobish and so, but its my first time doing something like that

pic1
i tryed to draw a marine... well some details missing... some are badly missplaced (leg protectors).... but i made it without a reference, like all my other pics too
the biggest misstake are the bad proportioned arms, i think...
<a href='http://mitglied.lycos.de/jumpingjoda/test1-schwarz.jpg' target='_blank'>click here</a>

pic2
a real ugly onos... just everything is wrong XD
i didnt knew how the head should look... so i made it "open end" at the top
<a href='http://mitglied.lycos.de/jumpingjoda/test2-schwarz.jpg' target='_blank'>click here</a>

pic3
a marine, his helmet is broken probbably by a bite, so he is bleeding out of his head, and from a rather harmless scratch on the cheek. he is also mutated too, by some virus that got into the wound.
BIG misstake here: the realy UGLY helmet decoration! i hate it
drew some swords too, i like the left one... drew some self designed chinese style fonts on the blade
<a href='http://mitglied.lycos.de/jumpingjoda/test3-schwarz.jpg' target='_blank'>click here</a>

pic4
i tryed to draw a female... but just everything went wrong XD
the face is a desaster, just like the hair
then i tryed some other perspective faces.. not bad i think...
other bad stuff isnt done by me... it was my unskilled friend... well school bored him too <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
<a href='http://mitglied.lycos.de/jumpingjoda/test4-schwarz.jpg' target='_blank'>click here</a>


i made it as links, so u dont have to load the images every time u visit this thread, and it saves my traffic <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->

i would like to hear ur comments
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  • JezpuhJezpuh Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15157Banned
    The best thing for you is to get some drawing leasons, seriously. I drew like this when I was 10.
    Not that I'm cracking your stuff down, I see what you are trying to make.
  • jumpingjodajumpingjoda Join Date: 2003-12-14 Member: 24367Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    well when i was 10 i didnt drew anything... so im trying to learn it now <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
    this all was made in few minutes, so i didnt care for much detail, was some sort of brainstorm drawing
  • MeanMrMustardMeanMrMustard Join Date: 2003-11-23 Member: 23456Members
    jezpuh, your a real nasty piece of work.

    I just want to ask how old you are Joda?
    Are you doodling in your maths book ? I always did <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Yeah, I like the bleeding helmet and his sharp teeth, but the onos..well just re-draft my friend.

    The helmet, try adding colour to your drawing, it would add some more eye-candy and emphasise the wound. use a variety of red tones etc..to get that fleshy feel, sounds sick..but hey its a chunk out of his head <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
    So if you are gonna re-draw them try adding colour.

    Keep up the drawings.
  • JezpuhJezpuh Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15157Banned
    Sigh... just keep practicing dude.
  • jumpingjodajumpingjoda Join Date: 2003-12-14 Member: 24367Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    im 18 <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    well i realised that i cant draw animals/aliens, jzst look at the poor gorge-something on first pic... soooo poooor <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    well i cant colour very good, i know it already now.... i tryed it
    i wanna learn to draw first, then i could try again coloring
  • MeanMrMustardMeanMrMustard Join Date: 2003-11-23 Member: 23456Members
    !!!!
    you have seen the light jezpuh!!!!!!!!!!

    Merry crimbo <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    be positive.

    lol.
    <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • nightdragonnightdragon Join Date: 2003-01-05 Member: 11848Members, Constellation
    edited December 2003
    Ok bare with my 2 seconds and I'll show you my school organiser... (warning 56kers)



    There it is


    <a href='http://www.autominer.org/delta/nd/Pics/organiser1.jpg' target='_blank'>Front Cover</a>

    <a href='http://www.autominer.org/delta/nd/Pics/organiser2.jpg' target='_blank'>School Map *kinda*</a>

    <a href='http://www.autominer.org/delta/nd/Pics/organiser3.jpg' target='_blank'>Random Rules Page for map designs</a>

    Most of these pics are mine, but some are my friends, such as the rock on thing


    Yes I know I put trogdor and bedsheety and weebl too much!

    <edit1>Sorry, some of the words used are offensive, I was just in my must kill Ashley Barr mode *hes an enemy of mine*

    <edit2> In all that effort of blurring the school phone number so you dont pester the nice people i happened to leave it unblurred in the third pic. DOH!
  • DelarosaDelarosa Naturally Custom Join Date: 2002-11-29 Member: 10214Members, NS1 Playtester
    fist peice of advise from somone that's on the same drawing level as you...

    drop the wood pencils and go mechanical, it's not 100% your drawing skills that make it seem like your 10, it's somewhat the pencils you used.

    trust me, when i get a dull pencil and draw, it all looks like that, but when i get a nice mechanical pencil in my hand, it's not 100% that "bad"



    other than that, keep practicing.
  • MeanMrMustardMeanMrMustard Join Date: 2003-11-23 Member: 23456Members
    yeah, specific art materials can have a huge impact visualy to your work.
    Oh and nightdragon, you have a serious compulsive disorder with NS. lol.
  • MeanMrMustardMeanMrMustard Join Date: 2003-11-23 Member: 23456Members
    edited December 2003
    ok. This is a notepad for my crucial A-levels..erm yeah.

    things to find:
    dollar sign
    four beatles (band)
    ladders
    knife and fork (not together)
    Cigarette
    Violin Bass Guitar (dont know it? check Paul McCartneys Beatle Bass Guitar)
    Gameboy
    2 Palmtrees
    Converse Shoe
    Beatle Initials.

    Good Luck.



    Hmmmmmmmm the image is a bit small. But try your hardest <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • MeanMrMustardMeanMrMustard Join Date: 2003-11-23 Member: 23456Members
  • MeanMrMustardMeanMrMustard Join Date: 2003-11-23 Member: 23456Members
  • Smoke_NovaSmoke_Nova Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8697Members
    joda, everytime we have to view those images, it uses bandwidth regardless, so it's just easier put them up with the [img] tags. Plus, once they are cached, IIRC, they don't use anymore bandwidth.

    If bandwidth is a problem, try getting a FREE host at 250free.com


    Other then that: Very well done rookie-artwork. It's nice to see that not everyone is born perfect and the only way you can learn is through repetition.
  • nightdragonnightdragon Join Date: 2003-01-05 Member: 11848Members, Constellation
    Hehe, cool Mustard, see if you can spot the resources area on the school map. I drew a nifty little res node there!
  • jumpingjodajumpingjoda Join Date: 2003-12-14 Member: 24367Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    edited December 2003
    i wanted also to make my post compact, i dont like my post to be 4 A4 sides long... just too much scroling

    thx everyone for the tips, il try a mechanical, i have some here but i used them only for non-art-school-work <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->

    well bandwidth is not a problem, i got a free host. i just dont want so use more then needed, and u surely dont wanna see the immages every time u look in here
  • esunaesuna Rock Bottom Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15175Members, Constellation
    A small piece of drawing advice that i'll offer (I'm not too much of a great artist myself), it's something that i do. When you're working in pencil doing a draft, don't be afraid to cover it in thousands of lines. If you screw a line up, draw it again, and draw it again, keep going over it. Remember, this is a draft, it doesn't matter how many lines you do or how messy it appears. Once you've got the perfect shapes and lines sorted, take a well sharpened softer pencil an start going over the lines, because it's a softer pencil the lines will be much darker, but remember to keep it sharpened as it'll blunt quickly.

    Also, don't be quick to grab up an eraser and remove a mistake you made, look why you made that mistake, learn from it.
  • MeanMrMustardMeanMrMustard Join Date: 2003-11-23 Member: 23456Members
    Listen to Ensuna's pearls of wisdom <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Oh , and Night dragon..where the hell is that res node..I feel my eyes are gonna melt !
  • jumpingjodajumpingjoda Join Date: 2003-12-14 Member: 24367Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    im gona buy me some new pencils and other stuff, i will practise and soon be the godfather of artwork himself. then im gona rule the world MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    well, at elast i will practise, everything else will come with time
  • CaLFiNCaLFiN Join Date: 2002-11-04 Member: 6909Members
    Try using Esuna's advice but using a pen (only to begin with) so you get a feeling of how to go over things loads of times. Not being able to erase might help you learn the method. When you get a feeling for making a load of scribbles start using the pencils, it might help <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • PerfectionsFlawPerfectionsFlaw Join Date: 2003-02-14 Member: 13555Members
    Don't copy Mustard and Livingdragon's work. It's too jumbled together and messy looking. Keep it simple and since you're new use heavy reference. Download the HLMV (Half-Life Model Viewer) load up a marine or something, then take a screen shot of them in a pose at an angle. Try and draw it like Esuna suggested. With lots and lots of lines and no eraser.

    Oh and be forewarned men are harder to draw than women. I been sketching for three years and I only have like thirty pics of em outta three hundred or more. Half of those are crappy.
  • DeunenDeunen Join Date: 2002-11-22 Member: 9609Members
    Esuna is dead on. Reread that post. GJ E.

    You get better by understanding. By sketching your experimenting and trying to figure things out. When you draw you are trying to conveye 3 dimensions in 2D, so there are alot of things you need to bring out in the picture that give it the illusion of being "real". For instance shadow, weight, proportion, perspective. Also you need to understand what exactly your drawing. For instance the eye. At first glance your propably like "its a oval with a circle inside" This would be the quick 2D translation of an eye but in reality its much more complex. You should understand in your mind that the eyeball is a sphere held in place in a whole in the skull and that its covered with a layer of skin that has a slit cut open over the sphere that creates folds of skin which is the eye lid.

    Some more info that may help:
    1. Do not shade - Sometimes ppl try to hide things with shade if they cannot understand or figure something out. You can create depth through pure line by controlling the thickness and darkness.

    2. Work over shapes - The head is a sphere, fingers cylinders, nose is a triangle that petrudes off the sphere. Look at a person and imagine the shape it would take to draw them. This really helps to conveye volume.

    3. Plant your figure - Its always good to have it grounded. When your beginning a drawing imagine where the most weight would be. Like if your drawing someone running with one leg in the air. The leg on the ground should "feel" as if its supporting the figure. It should be darker and have more details than the other leg. This also helps to maintane proportion and to visualize your image.

    4. The eraser - The eraser is as valuable a tool as a pencil. Sometimes ppl concentrate too much on keeping the picture perfect and clean and end up having like the arms of a figure perfect while the rest is out of proportion or not as realised. Its good to draw around the entire picture in the beginning. Then erase and fix what needs to be fixed then repeat. When your satisfyed you put in details. The general rule is what ever is closest to you is the most detailed because you can see more info. As you go farther back into the picture you lose info and can get away w/not having alot of detail.(depth)

    My personal info: I change what I draw with alot. Most drawings I'll begin with regular pencils (something soft like 2B) then erase and add detail or just clean up with a mechanical. When I draw with only mechanicals I tend to loose the organic feel in pictures. When I do cartoons or manga'ish stuff I like to work in pen because its very smooth and its just really fun to not worry about erasing later or fixing something. I think the energy and freedom of the pen comes across and makes those drawing more animated. If I had a light table I'd try goin over w/pencils afterward but I don't have one. My favorite paper is newsprint which is great to experiment on, bristol for finished neat stuff, and just sketch book for everything else.

    Also I think it really helps to look back on your stuff. I have like 3 full sketch books, 2 more that I'm like 1/4 through, a bristol pad, newsprint pad, journal, and tons of papers around me right now. Usually before I draw I'll pick a pad or book and just flip through it to get inspired.

    okokokokk I'm done
    I hope this is helpful in some way. My information mostly pertains to the human body because that is what I love. I think God is an artist and the human body is his masterpiece. If you want to do like rooms and buildings you have to understand perspective, horizon lines and vanishing points.

    Deunen
  • esunaesuna Rock Bottom Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15175Members, Constellation
    edited December 2003
    Also, i might add, you may want to figure out what kind of pencils you need. I'm not sure if this is a universal system, but this is the system in the UK.

    H = Hard. These produce feint lines most of the time, you have to press pretty hard to get a thick line, and this will usually end up scoring the paper.
    HB = In the middle. This is the standard pencil type. (EDIT: if you buy a pencil not marked with anything, it's usually a HB.)
    B = Soft. These have soft lead (graphite, whatever) inside them, you have to be pretty light with them due to how soft they are, they will produce very dark lines, but blunt extremely quickly.

    Personally, i use a 2H most of the time, that's because i'm relatively heavy handed. For thicker linework i usually use a HB or a very fine tipped pen and for shading i use a B pencil. I use the HB or an H for crosshatching, if i can ever be bothered.

    If you feel you are pretty heavy handed, chose a pencil that is harder so your lines won't be too dark and your pencil won't blunt straight away, then again, if you draw very lightly i'd recommend a 'B' (soft) pencil so you can have achieve darker linework whilst applying minimal pressure.


    If that system isn't in place where you live, sorry. Heh. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->


    *EDIT: Standard drawing pencils are relatively cheap to be honest, so buy a few of each, get used to the different pencils and find which one you should be using.

    *EDIT: By relatively cheap, i mean something like $1 per pencil. Nothing really. I forgot to add, but what i say in this post, is the way i work. A lot of people may work with one pencil, but there's a lot of us who use multiple pencils for different jobs. If you don't like switching, or you feel you can achieve all you want to with a single pencil, then go for it.
  • g0opyg0opy Join Date: 2003-11-02 Member: 22233Members, Constellation
    Lolish drawings <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • DeunenDeunen Join Date: 2002-11-22 Member: 9609Members
    oh yea Esuna just reminded. Mechanical pencils come in different tip sizes. Standard size for most mechanical is .5mm which is good. But for detailed stuff you may want to try .3mm which is a finer point. The largest I believe is .9mm. Also you can get different types of lead for the mechanicals. I remember hearing that Jim Lee uses blue lead in his mechanicals when he starts off a comic page. The blue lead does not photocopy so you can go right over with regular lead and when your done you wouldn't have to erase at all. I don't like this method myself but a few ppl I knew lived by it.
  • jumpingjodajumpingjoda Join Date: 2003-12-14 Member: 24367Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    wow thx for ur usefull comments
    my drawings were made with a very blunt HB, i concetrated more at finding a sharp side then on drawing <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    i realy like that "grounded" thing... i must try it when i get some more time, and a drawn body for the grounded leg XD

    thx again all, i realy like ur tips
  • MeanMrMustardMeanMrMustard Join Date: 2003-11-23 Member: 23456Members
    My drawing was supposed to be messy..hence...its a puzzle.....and you have to find items amongst the heavy traffic of other random drawings <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • jumpingjodajumpingjoda Join Date: 2003-12-14 Member: 24367Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    its late, its sunday, i was bored, i tryed(!!!) to draw something
    and now i show it to u <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    <img src='http://mitglied.lycos.de/jumpingjoda/marine.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>

    and this was the reference
    <img src='http://mitglied.lycos.de/jumpingjoda/test.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>

    i tryed to use ur tips, like making the ground leg more solid and stable

    i would like to hear ur comments and some critics <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • PerfectionsFlawPerfectionsFlaw Join Date: 2003-02-14 Member: 13555Members
    Lookin good. His right boot isn't bent from the weight of his body though, as shown in the reference. The top half is suprisingly nice. Normally when I try 'grounded' images the top half is fubar. His left leg wasn't drawn properly though. When bent the thigh and the calf smoosh together. Either to reveal muscle or fat <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> But the front of his left leg is where the problem is. It's curving outward, it shouldn't be, if anything it should curve inward slightly. The boot however, might add the illusion of that it's going outward... If that's the case then everything I just posted is for <b>BLEH!</b>
  • jumpingjodajumpingjoda Join Date: 2003-12-14 Member: 24367Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    right boot was bent... but i drew too many lines over and over <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
    hmm.. that nasty left boot... i realy dont know if it is bent outward or its just becouse of the boot, i didnt noticed that, thx <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    im glad that u like it, if everyone else says its crap i dont care <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • jumpingjodajumpingjoda Join Date: 2003-12-14 Member: 24367Members, Constellation, Reinforced - Shadow
    i thought i could try a filter on my new one, and it looks realy neat
    it reminds me on metal gear solid <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    <img src='http://mitglied.lycos.de/jumpingjoda/marine-filter.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
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