Since We Get Lerk Bite Back

2of12B0RG

<div class="IPBDescription">we should also get.....</div> the 1.04 jetpack back. Seriously. (Yes I am 100 FPS 1.04 JP Haxor.)

Who is with me?

Probably not the Geforce MX people with 30 FPS.

Cowswin

Nobody in their right mind is with you.

But something I think EVERYONE would agree upon getting back is...

BABBLERS!!!!!!

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YAH!

Jezpuh

I'm not with you, I do get 80 fps, but still, I don't want it back.

Jezpuh

<!--QuoteBegin--Twisted Master+Dec 18 2003, 03:50 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Twisted Master @ Dec 18 2003, 03:50 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Nobody in their right mind is with you.

But something I think EVERYONE would agree upon getting back is...

BABBLERS!!!!!!

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YAH! <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Babblers were taken out because they lagged. Also, I think babblers are stupid <!--emo&:angry:--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/mad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='mad.gif'><!--endemo-->

g0opy

dunoo wahat u talking about... but the bite is great!

Majin

Babblers were not <i>stupid</i>, they were so cute, they just acted poorly due to the lack of any kind of good AI.

If flayra was to re add babblers (which he wont), I wouls use the code from the [WHO]bots, they seem pretty smart.

2of12B0RG

Come on... the old JP was own. I can skillfully use the 2.01 JP yes, but I still prefer the 1.04.

Think about jetpacks in movies (First one that comes to mind is Boba Fett). You can fly around with them indefinately. They should be that way.

BlueNovember

...which would totally imbalance the game. Think of it, what alien can knock down a Jper? Sure, a gorge with web, but that's 3 hives!

It takes a skilled Skulk to leap-kill a jper, and then he's probably nailed enough average skulks to get enough RFK for a new JP.

2of12B0RG

Dude, back in 1.04, I could take down any JP'er as a lerk, no contest. It just came second nature to me. I was ALWAYS a lerk in 1.04 no matter what the situation.

ZdrozZ

The 3.0 JP is ok.

Align

It handles much like 1.04 if you only have basic equipment, but any kind of advanced stuff(even just a shotgun) and you're "heavier" and can't fly as good. Or so I understand.

Oh, and if we got the 1.04 JP back, I assume you meant how it was for 100 FPS people, not the fps-dependancy back...?

Silicon

the 1.04 jetpacks were nice, but the 2.0 jetpacks have more maneuverability and that's nicer, but I also dislike lerk bite; though I haven't played 3.0x yet to see how it is in combat compared to being used on rare occasions in 1.04 (at least by me).

Thaldarin

To be honest babblers served a 'fun' purpose of the game. They were not that useful, wasted the gorges time.

Shockeh

Tell you what. Make it the JP from 1.04, but FORCE it so it's like 60fps on everyone's system, and then I'd consider supporting it. Wanting it just so you could be 'teh win' is just silly.

Thaldarin

<!--QuoteBegin--Shockwave+Dec 18 2003, 11:04 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Shockwave @ Dec 18 2003, 11:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Tell you what. Make it the JP from 1.04, but FORCE it so it's like 60fps on everyone's system, and then I'd consider supporting it. Wanting it just so you could be 'teh win' is just silly. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not really possible I'm afraid mate. If some one is using a TNT2 for example max FPS they will get will be lower than 60 <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

Shockeh

I understand that Thursday, I meant if the JP functioned with the same thrust/regen etc as if they had 60fps (I.E It became fps independant, unlike the 1.04 one)

Ph0enix

<!--QuoteBegin--Thursday-+Dec 18 2003, 04:07 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Thursday- @ Dec 18 2003, 04:07 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Shockwave+Dec 18 2003, 11:04 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Shockwave @ Dec 18 2003, 11:04 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Tell you what. Make it the JP from 1.04, but FORCE it so it's like 60fps on everyone's system, and then I'd consider supporting it. Wanting it just so you could be 'teh win' is just silly. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Not really possible I'm afraid mate. If some one is using a TNT2 for example max FPS they will get will be lower than 60 <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Shock means if it performed as a 60 FPS JP did in 1.xx.

Soylent_green

<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Babblers were not stupid, they were so cute, they just acted poorly due to the lack of any kind of good AI.

If flayra was to re add babblers (which he wont), I wouls use the code from the [WHO]bots, they seem pretty smart.
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Bots usually have waypoints so they know how to navigate the map , babblers did not, babblers where on the same level of intelligence as snarks <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->(wouldn't surprise me to find that they infact had the snark AI).

Toshax

marine bhop

Redford

No one - because it was unbalanced when one marine with 100FPS could win the game singlehandedly for the marines. Marines are supposed to need teamwork to win - and that's defeated if one marine can rambo a hive to death.

Of course, I'm sure it would attract tons of CS and DC players.

Some_tall_guy1

<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Bots usually have waypoints so they know how to navigate the map , babblers did not, babblers where on the same level of intelligence as snarks (wouldn't surprise me to find that they infact had the snark AI). <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> It does <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

Toshax

<!--QuoteBegin--Toshax+Dec 18 2003, 12:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Toshax @ Dec 18 2003, 12:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> marine silent bhop <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
fixd

VittoPB

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the Half Life engine was only capable of rendering at 71 fps...thought I read that some where dunno for sure though. I think netgraph isnt acurate anyway.

Byeka

I'd just say this.... I would MUCH rather defend a 1.04 jp rush than an impossible to defend 2.01 HA train. I'd like to fly with a 1.04 jp once again... so much better than that jumppack thing we have now...

Smikies

<!--QuoteBegin--Redford+Dec 18 2003, 12:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Redford @ Dec 18 2003, 12:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> No one - because it was unbalanced when one marine with 100FPS could win the game singlehandedly for the marines.  Marines are supposed to need teamwork to win - and that's defeated if one marine can rambo a hive to death.

Of course, I'm sure it would attract tons of CS and DC players. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
a skillful jp or 2 still can do this... and if they no the "secret" art of stealth and have a shotty and lvl 3 weaps, gg hive(s)...

Majin

Even in 3.0, aspecialy in combat, the JP/SG combo is super hard to stop. Some maps its dame near impossible to truely stop a rush of JP/SG marines.
I really think that the Gorge should be re added to NS:C, or increase the heal rate of the poor Hive.

Extreme

I remember when 2.0 came out, I couldn't fly that jetpack at all. I avoided them for a while, but now I can use them pretty good. t3h bhop > all.

Gliss

<!--QuoteBegin--Smikies+Dec 18 2003, 12:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Smikies @ Dec 18 2003, 12:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Redford+Dec 18 2003, 12:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Redford @ Dec 18 2003, 12:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> No one - because it was unbalanced when one marine with 100FPS could win the game singlehandedly for the marines.  Marines are supposed to need teamwork to win - and that's defeated if one marine can rambo a hive to death.

Of course, I'm sure it would attract tons of CS and DC players. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
a skillful jp or 2 still can do this... and if they no the "secret" art of stealth and have a shotty and lvl 3 weaps, gg hive(s)... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Skilled. But in 1.xx, any regular person with 100 FPS could do it.

sawce

Give yourself a jetpack, and use only a LMG (a scount-like class) with little ammunition and you will be flying much easier than with a shotgun with 8/40 ammo.
Give yourself a jetpack, and drop all weapons except the knife, and you won't believe how easy it is to navigate and fly with it.
Give yourself a jetpack and HMG with full 125/250 ammo, and you will hardly be able to fly.

I just played a game of 1.04 about a week ago, and it was sad how powerful the jetpack was. I would take the 2.x jetpack over that any day.

And on a side note, about the babbler AI, I believe it was infact using a modified version of the snark AI code. I was tinkering with a babbler metamod, and I used the snark code, and they act very similar to how the old babblers did.

Trayder

Bringing back babblers would be great but you would have to remove another weapon and the gorges have no weapons to remove. Then the programming would have to be changed cos of the snark engine making babblers look like they die when they jump.

<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->To be honest babblers served a 'fun' purpose of the game. They were not that useful, wasted the gorges time. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Babblers were fun yes, but they were also very useful and not a waste of time, if a gorge was being attacked and let out a ton of babblers the rine(s) would either keep shooting the gorge and kill him and 1 rine would die or shoot the babblers allowing the gorge to escape, the latter was more likely cos the babblers crawled all over em and the gorge could stay there spawning more and get the kill.
And babblers lagged alot less than 2.0 nade spam. I personally didn't notice any lag being on 56k at the time even during babbler rush.

Zyco

<!--QuoteBegin--2of12[B0RG]+Dec 18 2003, 09:49 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (2of12[B0RG] @ Dec 18 2003, 09:49 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> the 1.04 jetpack back. Seriously. (Yes I am 100 FPS 1.04 JP Haxor.)

Who is with me?

Probably not the Geforce MX people with 30 FPS. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

i have a geforce 4 mx440 64mb, and i get 100 fps easy.... fool...


i think that in ns combat they should add 1 AI babbler than spawns from the hive when its under attack... only for small games where the aliens are at a deficit (like 1v2 or 2v3).