What Happened To Everything?

SaRcAsMSaRcAsM Join Date: 2003-12-10 Member: 24224Members
When I was playing NS early in the summer (Won), there were lots of servers to choose from but now just yesterday I got NS (for Steam) and there are only about 10 or less servers with active people playing? What happened? Did something go horribly wrong?
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  • BallistoBallisto Join Date: 2003-05-19 Member: 16503Members
    its just that most of the servers are currently on won. once it goes officially steam (i.e. 3.0) i think there'll be a lot more servers.
  • kirchykirchy Join Date: 2003-12-01 Member: 23838Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Ballisto+Dec 10 2003, 04:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Ballisto @ Dec 10 2003, 04:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> its just that most of the servers are currently on won. once it goes officially steam (i.e. 3.0) i think there'll be a lot more servers. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    there ARE going to be LOTS more servers
  • WirheWirhe Join Date: 2003-06-22 Member: 17610Members
    Blah, and I keep hoping that they would stay on won. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> Steam is just too slow for my taste (or at least the version I tried was).
  • esunaesuna Rock Bottom Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15175Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--SaRcAsM+Dec 10 2003, 09:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SaRcAsM @ Dec 10 2003, 09:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> When I was playing NS early in the summer (Won), there were lots of servers to choose from but now just yesterday I got NS (for Steam) and there are only about 10 or less servers with active people playing? What happened? Did something go horribly wrong? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    There are far more NS servers still on WON due to a lot of players being reluctant to upgrade. I suggest using WON until VALVe shut it down.
  • SmikiesSmikies Join Date: 2003-07-27 Member: 18470Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Tails+Dec 10 2003, 05:23 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Tails @ Dec 10 2003, 05:23 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Blah, and I keep hoping that they would stay on won. <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo--> Steam is just too slow for my taste (or at least the version I tried was). <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    this would b impossible, since won is ganna go down..
  • XiileXiile Join Date: 2003-02-22 Member: 13818Members
    In addition to there being more servers, there will definately be more CS nublets <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> , since they will see a shiney new game in the 'My Games' list.
  • DelarosaDelarosa Naturally Custom Join Date: 2002-11-29 Member: 10214Members, NS1 Playtester
    <!--QuoteBegin--XeroSlayer+Dec 10 2003, 06:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (XeroSlayer @ Dec 10 2003, 06:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> since they will see a shiney new game in the 'My Games' list. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    they won't, it's 3rd party still... AKA - valve doesn't own NS....
  • XiileXiile Join Date: 2003-02-22 Member: 13818Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Delarosa+Dec 10 2003, 07:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Delarosa @ Dec 10 2003, 07:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--XeroSlayer+Dec 10 2003, 06:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (XeroSlayer @ Dec 10 2003, 06:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> since they will see a shiney new game in the 'My Games' list. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    they won't, it's 3rd party still... AKA - valve doesn't own NS.... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Im talking about 3.0, where NS will be officially supported... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • DelarosaDelarosa Naturally Custom Join Date: 2002-11-29 Member: 10214Members, NS1 Playtester
    <!--QuoteBegin--XeroSlayer+Dec 10 2003, 06:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (XeroSlayer @ Dec 10 2003, 06:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Delarosa+Dec 10 2003, 07:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Delarosa @ Dec 10 2003, 07:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--XeroSlayer+Dec 10 2003, 06:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (XeroSlayer @ Dec 10 2003, 06:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> since they will see a shiney new game in the 'My Games' list. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    they won't, it's 3rd party still... AKA - valve doesn't own NS.... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Im talking about 3.0, where NS will be officially supported... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    ...officially suppported and owned... are two different things...

    all of the games that will appear in the "my games" section, are owned by valve...

    project timeless is "officially supported"... but still 3rd party....
  • XiileXiile Join Date: 2003-02-22 Member: 13818Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Delarosa+Dec 10 2003, 07:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Delarosa @ Dec 10 2003, 07:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--XeroSlayer+Dec 10 2003, 06:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (XeroSlayer @ Dec 10 2003, 06:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Delarosa+Dec 10 2003, 07:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Delarosa @ Dec 10 2003, 07:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--XeroSlayer+Dec 10 2003, 06:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (XeroSlayer @ Dec 10 2003, 06:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> since they will see a shiney new game in the 'My Games' list. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    they won't, it's 3rd party still... AKA - valve doesn't own NS.... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Im talking about 3.0, where NS will be officially supported... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    ...officially suppported and owned... are two different things...

    all of the games that will appear in the "my games" section, are owned by valve...

    project timeless is "officially supported"... but still 3rd party.... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Ah, I see now, I guess I was misinformed <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • BobTheJanitorBobTheJanitor Join Date: 2003-12-10 Member: 24228Members, NS1 Playtester
    <!--QuoteBegin--Delarosa+Dec 10 2003, 06:55 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Delarosa @ Dec 10 2003, 06:55 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--XeroSlayer+Dec 10 2003, 06:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (XeroSlayer @ Dec 10 2003, 06:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Delarosa+Dec 10 2003, 07:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Delarosa @ Dec 10 2003, 07:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--XeroSlayer+Dec 10 2003, 06:49 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (XeroSlayer @ Dec 10 2003, 06:49 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> since they will see a shiney new game in the 'My Games' list. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    they won't, it's 3rd party still... AKA - valve doesn't own NS.... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Im talking about 3.0, where NS will be officially supported... <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    ...officially suppported and owned... are two different things...

    all of the games that will appear in the "my games" section, are owned by valve...

    project timeless is "officially supported"... but still 3rd party....<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Full Steam support - Official Steam support, including a new NS desktop, friends list, and automatic updating. <b> NS will be listed under the "My Games" section (not as a 3rd-party mod). </b>

    -- Go to natural-selection.org my good man. It's right on the front page...
  • SwiftspearSwiftspear Custim tital Join Date: 2003-10-29 Member: 22097Members
    does that mean that everyone who downloads steam after 3.0 downloads NS with it, or does that just mean that NS will be officially supported for people that have it already (and download it seperately after steam), I would expect the later, although I could easily be wrong.
  • GlissGliss Join Date: 2003-03-23 Member: 14800Members, Constellation, NS2 Map Tester
    Delarosa just got PWNT <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Cold_NiTeCold_NiTe Join Date: 2003-09-15 Member: 20875Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Pjofsky+Dec 10 2003, 10:00 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pjofsky @ Dec 10 2003, 10:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Delarosa just got PWNT <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Careful Pjofsky, you may be treading on dangerous water, as Delarosa has yet to respond. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • Stanley_txpStanley_txp Join Date: 2003-10-04 Member: 21426Banned
    <!--QuoteBegin--Swiftspear+Dec 10 2003, 08:09 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Swiftspear @ Dec 10 2003, 08:09 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> does that mean that everyone who downloads steam after 3.0 downloads NS with it, or does that just mean that NS will be officially supported for people that have it already (and download it seperately after steam), I would expect the later, although I could easily be wrong. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    thats not how steam works, new features just apear on the restart, so there will be a grey ns title on the my games list for everyone on steam, then they can click install ansd it will download teh whole game
  • OneSneakYmousEOneSneakYmousE Join Date: 2002-12-02 Member: 10389Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--esuna+Dec 10 2003, 06:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (esuna @ Dec 10 2003, 06:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--SaRcAsM+Dec 10 2003, 09:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SaRcAsM @ Dec 10 2003, 09:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> When I was playing NS early in the summer (Won), there were lots of servers to choose from but now just yesterday I got NS (for Steam) and there are only about 10 or less servers with active people playing? What happened? Did something go horribly wrong? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    There are far more NS servers still on WON due to a lot of players being reluctant to upgrade. I suggest using WON until VALVe shut it down. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Some people just have no idea how to upgrade to Steam. It's not as simple as clicking an install button at the moment.
  • A_Damn_FoolA_Damn_Fool Join Date: 2003-08-09 Member: 19283Members
    That and I hope the glitch with my steam NS will be fixed I happen to like steam makes it look all shiny and new and adds a much cooler feel to the HL engine (this thing is kicking the energizers ****! if you thought the bunny wouldnt quit this engine cant seem to die) Ah yes back to the glitch when I go alien my right mouse button no longer works (its mapped correctly 2) and I've had to hotkey all my alien structure and evolves (Yippe im onos! "hand slips" OH GOD NO IM THE... gorge gawdamnit never at least slips onto the fade key!)
  • PhinPhin Join Date: 2003-11-11 Member: 22556Members, Constellation
    A Damn Fool: When did you last play NS on Steam? Because the right-click pop-up menu has been fixed for a couple of weeks now, (Or more).

    And it's very likely that there will be a drop in the number of servers/players once WON shuts down; People on 56k will need to wait ages to downlaod it once it's released, not to mention the huge queues if downloading from Fileplanet, (Which will obviously effect modem users aswell); Some people might simply not bother downloading it. Also, Steam requires more system resources to run, so people with aging computers may experience terrible drops in fps compared to when they played on WON...
  • MintmanMintman Join Date: 2003-05-30 Member: 16866Members
    Or they could all use some common sense and download it before they actually need it.
  • PhinPhin Join Date: 2003-11-11 Member: 22556Members, Constellation
    I actually meant 3.0 itself. Steam on it's own is only a few Ks big.
  • JamlJaml Join Date: 2002-11-17 Member: 9054Members
    When they turn off won they will kill Halflife and its mods for a lot of people such as me cause i will NEVER download that buggy piece of **** called steam. Its huge its buggy it slows down your machine and gives you nothing useful that ASE doesn´t has already. And thats few megs and works like a dream.

    Steam b.lows

    *me runs away from the incoming flames*
  • PhinPhin Join Date: 2003-11-11 Member: 22556Members, Constellation
    edited December 2003
    We've been assured that WON will not go down untill every bug has been ironed out of Steam. Hopefully by then they will have also lowered the amount of CPU it uses when you play, (Thus better gameplay).

    But VALVe has no choice in this matter; Sierra is closing down WON no matter what. So that's why Steam was created.
  • igorigor Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18810Members
    steam does have some advantages when you get used to it
    the easy patching for one thing
    and the friends system with the in-game chat really grows on you
  • JamlJaml Join Date: 2002-11-17 Member: 9054Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--igor+Dec 11 2003, 12:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (igor @ Dec 11 2003, 12:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> steam does have some advantages when you get used to it
    the easy patching for one thing
    and the friends system with the in-game chat really grows on you <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I take a file over an autoupdate feature anytime since if i have to reinstall or install it on multiple pcs autoupdate is just a bandwith waster. I hate any form of autoupdate since im an IT and need to update multiple machines. Try to do a Windows update on 1000 PC´s with autoupdate. Autoupdate is for newbies that dont know how to start an exe. And i never needed ingame Friend chat since i play on the same server as my friends and can use normal chat. And if i look for my Friends i do it before not while playing. And steam isn´t the only software with a buddy list feature.
  • ShockehShockeh If a packet drops on the web and nobody&#39;s near to see it... Join Date: 2002-11-19 Member: 9336NS1 Playtester, Forum Moderators, Constellation
    Ah, but then there's the issue of size. Why is a previously 300Mb game now 2Gb? Even with mods my old HL directory scored a Gb.

    Just because 120Gb drives are available, doesn't mean you can get sloppy with your coding. Ah, the days when Elite fit and run on my 24k BBC Micro. Then you had to optimize your games.
  • MajinMajin Join Date: 2003-05-29 Member: 16829Members, Constellation
    Don't forget about how many patches and stuff has been added to HL since the game came out. Must be almost 100mb. Steam is good because it allows you to have such easy access to your games and the fact you can DL games right on Steam without having to look for them is great, auto patching makes sure you never connect with OOD games.

    At first I was not going to use steam till it was shoved in my face, but ever since I updated to Steam I like it alot. I also DLed DoD and played that for the first time. Good game!

    Steam is good, not great just yet, but pritty damn fun!
  • BlueNovemberBlueNovember hax Join Date: 2003-02-28 Member: 14137Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Pest+Dec 11 2003, 05:32 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Pest @ Dec 11 2003, 05:32 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> We've been assured that WON will not go down untill every bug has been ironed out of Steam. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Oh right, so some time next eon then?

    CS has been out for god knows how long, and still has patches released periodically, not to mention the hacks that are out there. Dont get me started with other programs, eg Windows...

    If you were running WON, how soon would you pull the plug and save yourself some easy cash? <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->

    As for Steam being 500k, most ppl I talked to didn't realise this, and got the 700meg full-cache one instead. Even with the 500k one, EVERY mod in your HL directory is converted, using up more space than sense. Even with just NS, Richochet, Sven Co-op and CS (for LAN games only, it is ok there,) my Steam directory is still bigger than my Windows one, and almost 10* as big as my RedHat installation.

    "Debugging / optimisation ends when the programer becomes tired, not when all the bugs are removed."
  • 5EuroSchein5EuroSchein Join Date: 2003-03-31 Member: 15077Members
    edited December 2003
    steam directory is so big because every game in the "my game" list can be played without downloading half life for steam. so all games in the "my games" section got the full code. same will happen to ns. you will be able to play it without downloading any other game for steam. it is wonderful. now i got at least a couple of gb more to use for other games cause i don't play any other hl mods. just about 500 megs for steam ns will be very cool <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • BlueNovemberBlueNovember hax Join Date: 2003-02-28 Member: 14137Members, Constellation
    Sob... what about those of us who use other mods? (If rarely)

    Sigh. Why cant there be a mode that mirrors the old system? ie, one common cache file rather than many repeated bits of code.
  • Amped1Amped1 Join Date: 2003-02-08 Member: 13287Members
    edited December 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--OneSneakYmousE+Dec 11 2003, 12:41 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (OneSneakYmousE @ Dec 11 2003, 12:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--esuna+Dec 10 2003, 06:03 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (esuna @ Dec 10 2003, 06:03 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--SaRcAsM+Dec 10 2003, 09:52 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (SaRcAsM @ Dec 10 2003, 09:52 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> When I was playing NS early in the summer (Won), there were lots of servers to choose from but now just yesterday I got NS (for Steam) and there are only about 10 or less servers with active people playing? What happened? Did something go horribly wrong? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    There are far more NS servers still on WON due to a lot of players being reluctant to upgrade. I suggest using WON until VALVe shut it down. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Some people just have no idea how to upgrade to Steam. It's not as simple as clicking an install button at the moment. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I downloaded a 500 kb file, installed it, started it up, and let it update. Wow how challenging! I don't see what you mean by it being hard. WON is harder to use than Steam...Oh and the common rumor I have heard is that WON is going down before 2004. Apparently WON didn't want to renew their contract with VALVE due to the huge amount of people playing and
    overloading their servers.

    EDIT - Oh and Blue Novemeber, the games aren't converted unless you put a check in the box next to them in the installation. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
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