Sorry if what I am going to say may sound ignorant and/or conflicting.
I guess there are many definitions of "non-conformity." Your definition: in order to be truely "non-conformist," you have to go against all of society's constructs or what it deems as normal. My definition: the thought is all that matters (a bit too simplified?) Meager thought-to simple to be really called "non-conformist"-may exclude anything from fashion, materiality, and the such. Yes, they make a statement, but at often times are statements made for other reasons. If people can take away a part of your character or a bit of your mind and permanantly-maybe even slightly change-erase from your memory: ideals, beliefs, or strong thoughts, then you have, in a way, conformed to their wishes and desires. For example: love, if you loved someone and they (whoever) forced you in a way to stop loving that person, then I think you have, in a way, conformed. If whoever forced you to stop wearing clothes or stop rioting against the government, but haven't destroyed the fire which sparked the ignition, then you haven't, in a way, conformed.
Main Entry: non·con·for·mi·ty Function: noun Date: 1618 1 a : failure or refusal to conform to an established church b often capitalized : the movement or principles of English Protestant dissent c often capitalized : the body of English Nonconformists 2 : refusal to conform to an established or conventional creed, rule, or practice 3 : absence of agreement or correspondence
As someone else pointed out earlier in the thread - if you have to give non-conformity a symbol, then its already lost its nonconformity.
I cant help but get this image of hippies screaming about American evil in King George square when I see the word "non-conformist" and "clenched fist".
How can one symbolize something everyone subjectively interprets differently. The only reason to have such a symbol is for yourself and only for yourself, going around trying to make a statement with it would mean different things to everyone.
However if i had to choose a symbol...i'd have to say teoH has the best one so far =)
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So if you refuse to conform, couldn't it be possible that you are conforming to non-conformity?
3 : absence of agreement or correspondence Just because you dont care what the standards are doesnt mean you dont abide by them. You can conform to standards without caring about it, and you can confrom to standards while trying not to conform to other standards.
Definition 2 is a sense of apathy, and definition 3 is an act of civil disobedience. We can argue semantics until were dead.
Besides at this point were just repeating arguments.
I'll just make a quick example of someone who is NOT a non conformist:
A person who listens to nu-metal, wears makeup, whines non stop about life, and TRIES to be different and just looks like every other **** who does the same thing.
Not trying to sterotype those kind of people, but ugh. I'll write more later, maybe. If I get the chance after class.
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I guess there are many definitions of "non-conformity." Your definition: in order to be truely "non-conformist," you have to go against all of society's constructs or what it deems as normal. My definition: the thought is all that matters (a bit too simplified?) Meager thought-to simple to be really called "non-conformist"-may exclude anything from fashion, materiality, and the such. Yes, they make a statement, but at often times are statements made for other reasons. If people can take away a part of your character or a bit of your mind and permanantly-maybe even slightly change-erase from your memory: ideals, beliefs, or strong thoughts, then you have, in a way, conformed to their wishes and desires. For example: love, if you loved someone and they (whoever) forced you in a way to stop loving that person, then I think you have, in a way, conformed. If whoever forced you to stop wearing clothes or stop rioting against the government, but haven't destroyed the fire which sparked the ignition, then you haven't, in a way, conformed.
That is all I could think of at the moment.
Function: noun
Date: 1618
1 a : failure or refusal to conform to an established church b often capitalized : the movement or principles of English Protestant dissent c often capitalized : the body of English Nonconformists
2 : refusal to conform to an established or conventional creed, rule, or practice
3 : absence of agreement or correspondence
Were both right...
<span style='font-family:Arial'><b>Champaigne</b></span> Sir?
<img src='http://www.winethieves.com/newpix/images/champaigne.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
that was the question, you know.
i made a pretty good suggestion =\
<img src='http://www.geoscapesphotography.com/a-ca-nonconformity-cd16-h5.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
I like this one:
<img src='http://www.suite101.com/files/articles/67000%5C67468/condent.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
whatever that means.... :/
I can't picture that without invoking images of incredibly long tentacle arms.
(Edit):
I know, try this -
<img src='http://www.oclube.com/usuarios/teoh/nonconform.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
I cant help but get this image of hippies screaming about American evil in King George square when I see the word "non-conformist" and "clenched fist".
However if i had to choose a symbol...i'd have to say teoH has the best one so far =)
So if you refuse to conform, couldn't it be possible that you are conforming to non-conformity?
3 : absence of agreement or correspondence
Just because you dont care what the standards are doesnt mean you dont abide by them.
You can conform to standards without caring about it, and you can confrom to standards while trying not to conform to other standards.
Definition 2 is a sense of apathy, and definition 3 is an act of civil disobedience. We can argue semantics until were dead.
Besides at this point were just repeating arguments.
I'll just make a quick example of someone who is NOT a non conformist:
A person who listens to nu-metal, wears makeup, whines non stop about life, and TRIES to be different and just looks like every other **** who does the same thing.
Not trying to sterotype those kind of people, but ugh. I'll write more later, maybe. If I get the chance after class.
Good.