Siege Hives?

BuggyBuggy Join Date: 2003-11-08 Member: 22400Members, Constellation
in Frontiersmen Strategy
<div class="IPBDescription">or rush in and shoot them</div> i'd just like to hear different opinions on whether a commander *should* decide to siege or do shotty rush in different situations, and how they can make their minds up.
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  • BOBDololBOBDolol Join Date: 2003-10-04 Member: 21431Members
    Siege if there's ocs or fades/onoses and you don't trust your team. Shoot if you're dominating the game, or if the aliens don't know that you're there and you want the hive down quick.
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  • StakhanovStakhanov Join Date: 2003-03-12 Member: 14448Members
    I'd advise you to siege hives if the aliens already have movement chambers. The reinforcements can teleport in and backstab clueless marines...

    If the hive room has any kind of chamber , siege it. Shotgun rushes fail horribly when a fade comes to defend the hive (healed by both the hive and the DCs)

    If you see the hive room is empty , your best bet is to drop a phase nearby and regroup your marines to storm the hive with shotguns.

    Still , a train of 5+ max upped HAs shouldn't waste time sieging and go attack the hive frontally. Reinforcements are easily shredded usually.

    By the way - unless you have a perfect vent spot , don't drop structures for your jetpackers to build. Med/ammo spam them and let them kill the hive in record time.
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  • taboofirestaboofires Join Date: 2002-11-24 Member: 9853Members
    Hives go down pretty fast to gunfire. If you be left somewhat alone in the hive room for 30 seconds, just go shoot it. Of course, the kharaa screwed up if they let you do that.

    Otherwise, you're going to need phased-in help to take the hive. If you're gonna build and protect a phase gate, you might as well siege.
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  • StoneburgStoneburg Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8174Members
    Just like pretty much everything in the game (except getting au1 before wu1!), it depends on the situation.
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  • HDMongOHDMongO Join Date: 2003-11-23 Member: 23399Members
    well when iv been comm on ns_bast that map is some what easy to get jp's then get into any hive and drop 1 or 2 tf's on the hive , let some1 build em ,then once they r built electrify em and its a constant attack , then ur men can shoot away at it too!

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  • BlueeBluee Join Date: 2002-11-03 Member: 6286Members
    Mongo, for that strat you might want to use the CC instead. It has more HP at least, not sure about the price.
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  • HDMongOHDMongO Join Date: 2003-11-23 Member: 23399Members
    not really bcuz u cant electrify a cc can u , thats wot does the damage ... <!--emo&::skulk::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/skulk.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='skulk.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::asrifle::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/asrifle.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='asrifle.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&::gorge::--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/pudgy.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='pudgy.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • PredmidPredmid Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14997Members
    Id say it depends on the upgrades and weapons the rines have....

    If its a group of about 4 of 1/1 rines, id say try and sneak in sieges, but if uve got lvl3 shotguns, i say obliterate the hive as fast as u can, assuming that theres not an overwhelming oc farm around it....

    Also, many hives have a nice vantage point from which the rines can defend a spot and shoot the hive from a distance. Guns do the same damage no matter the distance...for example: from computer core on eclipse, i would reccomend that you sneak ur rines around the "infested" side of the hvie and shoot it from there, its easily guarded by the rines and the hvie will fall fast. But a hive like eclipse command, rushing in and trying to kill it with weapons is quite ineffective due to the fact that aliens can come from virtually every direction, leaving the rines quite dazed and confused...in that situation, its better to drop behind the wall and siege it...
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  • BuggyBuggy Join Date: 2003-11-08 Member: 22400Members, Constellation
    so, basically

    siege when the marines have a low level of skill or have little upgrades, or when there are many OC/and/or fades and oni
    rush when the marines have enough skill and ups

    exceptions made on easy to shoot/easy to siege hives <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    thanks guys
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  • KIRWingsKIRWings Join Date: 2003-11-15 Member: 22961Members
    Another good idea is to get jetpacks and shotguns and have someone just fly onto the hive and shoot it down, people sometimes are really dumb or to cheap to go skulk or lerk. lvl 3 weapons helps too. But most of the time it is just abetter idea to use siege, get a phase gate up also. Shotgun rushes are really stupid in the begining of the game.
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  • WatchMakerWatchMaker Join Date: 2003-09-26 Member: 21233Members, Constellation
    Id say its on your levels,ups,rines and whos playing alien.
    Seige if you got the res and no many ups.
    Rush if you got lots of res ,ha or jp, and 5+ GOOD rines.

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  • BallistoBallisto Join Date: 2003-05-19 Member: 16503Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--[HD]MongO+Nov 23 2003, 03:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([HD]MongO @ Nov 23 2003, 03:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> well when iv been comm on ns_bast that map is some what easy to get jp's then get into any hive and drop 1 or 2 tf's on the hive , let some1 build em ,then once they r built electrify em and its a constant attack , then ur men can shoot away at it too!

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    very humiliating strat

    just as good... build an armory and mine the hive to death <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->

    seriously... if the hive is undefended and you have a group of marines, its better to just shoot it. 4 vanilla marines can shred a hive pretty quickly, esp w medspam and ammospam. shotties make it a LOT faster.

    minibases are good because after you kill the hive, you have a little base there to defend it!
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  • LoneSharkLoneShark Join Date: 2003-11-17 Member: 23048Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--[HD]MongO+Nov 23 2003, 03:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([HD]MongO @ Nov 23 2003, 03:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->well when iv been comm on ns_bast that map is some what easy to get jp's then get into any hive and drop 1 or 2 tf's on the hive , let some1 build em ,then once they r built electrify em and its a constant attack , then ur men can shoot away at it too!

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    exploit tbh.
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  • NiteowlNiteowl Join Date: 2002-09-04 Member: 1274Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    <!--QuoteBegin--Buggy+Nov 23 2003, 03:22 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Buggy @ Nov 23 2003, 03:22 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> so, basically

    siege when the marines have a low level of skill or have little upgrades, or when there are many OC/and/or fades and oni
    rush when the marines have enough skill and ups

    exceptions made on easy to shoot/easy to siege hives <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    thanks guys <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    i think when speed is a factor, you should be PGing, shotgunning that badboy down. if you like to comm mid to early game wins, then pgs and shotties are your best bet, as that offensive expenditure can move with ya to the next hive <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->




    the only time i siege is if it's oced all to heck <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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  • Special_KSpecial_K Join Date: 2003-04-19 Member: 15637Members, Constellation
    edited November 2003
    This always depends on the situation, of course, but these are a couple of things to consider.
    Heavy armor is (in my opinion) very inefficient at killing defended hives, so when I use HA I tend to siege out hives.
    On the other hand, light armor marines can't effectively defend sieges for a long period of time, so it is usually best to bring down the hive fast (shoot it dead).
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  • PredmidPredmid Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14997Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--LoneShark+Nov 24 2003, 01:15 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (LoneShark @ Nov 24 2003, 01:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--[HD]MongO+Nov 23 2003, 03:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([HD]MongO @ Nov 23 2003, 03:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->well when iv been comm on ns_bast that map is some what easy to get jp's then get into any hive and drop 1 or 2 tf's on the hive , let some1 build em ,then once they r built electrify em and its a constant attack , then ur men can shoot away at it too!

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    exploit tbh.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    how is that an exploit?<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> building a structure, and using its ability?
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  • GeronimoGeronimo Join Date: 2002-12-18 Member: 11056Members
    I barely ever siege, since it costs like 150 res to get a good siegebase up, while 6 SGs and 2 packs of mines works just as well and are alot cheaper...
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  • StoneburgStoneburg Join Date: 2002-11-11 Member: 8174Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Predmid+Nov 25 2003, 08:47 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Predmid @ Nov 25 2003, 08:47 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--LoneShark+Nov 24 2003, 01:15 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (LoneShark @ Nov 24 2003, 01:15 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--[HD]MongO+Nov 23 2003, 03:54 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> ([HD]MongO @ Nov 23 2003, 03:54 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->well when iv been comm on ns_bast that map is some what easy to get jp's then get into any hive and drop 1 or 2 tf's on the hive , let some1 build em ,then once they r built electrify em and its a constant attack , then ur men can shoot away at it too!

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    exploit tbh.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    how is that an exploit?<!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> building a structure, and using its ability? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    It was his first post, maybe he is not aware of the meaning of 'exploit' and ment 'cheap' or 'humiliating'.
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