Why Do People Murder
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<div class="IPBDescription">if they know the consequences?</div> Besides the mentally ill and the psychotics that roam the world; the soldiers that march off to war to kill the enemy (which btw shouldn't be considered murdering), why do people kill each other over matters that are not as life altering as the act they choose to commit?
Personally, if I was deeply **** off at someone for a long period of time, I wouldn't carry my anger to the extent of killing that someone. Some people kill others for the satisfaction that brings to them, and others kill because of the pressure they recieve from their "group" and other "groups."
Anyways, I simply don't understand what drives people to the edge of terminating another life form if they know that such actions are not tolerated in most parts fo the world.
Personally, if I was deeply **** off at someone for a long period of time, I wouldn't carry my anger to the extent of killing that someone. Some people kill others for the satisfaction that brings to them, and others kill because of the pressure they recieve from their "group" and other "groups."
Anyways, I simply don't understand what drives people to the edge of terminating another life form if they know that such actions are not tolerated in most parts fo the world.
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People who kill, like serial killers, i'd say they do it because:
A) They want to see if they can get away with it
B) They enjoy it
C) They enjoy the power of life and death over someone.
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In australia you can only attack with a weapon equivalent in force to the weapon the burgular/intruder is using. You see, it has to be a fair fight <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
In australia you can only attack with a weapon equivalent in force to the weapon the burgular/intruder is using. You see, it has to be a fair fight <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Are you serious?
/me is never moving to Austrailia.
Christ, I hate liberals! :-P
In Britain, you're not allowed to defend yourself with a gun. Only the criminals are allowed to have them.
(Fun fact: Gun violence has grown in Britain since making them illegal!)
Yes, making it so that only criminals and police tactical squads use them help save lives!
/me looks pointedly at Jammer.
This topic isn't for the gun control issue.
I had an epiphany on this one. Recently my wife asked a similar question: Why murder your spouse, when you could divorce them? I thought about it, and put myself in the mind of the killer (which pleased my missus no end <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> ).
I concluded that its not that you want to kill them per se, more thet you want to unmake them. Erase them. Make it so they never existed, and never put you through whatever it was that prompted you to kill them.
There's obviously a difference between the heat of the moment "poor impulse control" lashing out kind of murder, and the premeditated planned one. For the premeditated murder there's a kink in the logic. The brain sees the problem, neatly sidestepping the morality of it, and tries to plot how not to get caught. For this kind of murder, the murder believes he can beat the system, and get at the person he blames for his predicament.
I saw a study recently that showed men with a high level of testosterone and "poor impulse control" (I forget how they measured that) were the most likely to murder. Followed by the rest of men, then women. The hormone that makes you bigger and stronger makes you more likely to use that size and strength against your fellow man.
/me is never moving to Austrailia.
Christ, I hate liberals! :-P
In Britain, you're not allowed to defend yourself with a gun. Only the criminals are allowed to have them.
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yeh, apparently there is a whole chart depicting weapons of equivalent force. So when a burglar drops in, you have to note the weapon hes using, consult the chart, then go to your collection of weapons and choose one. There was quite an uproar when some bloke got sued because he shot a burglar, and the burglar only had a knife or sumthin =\
Not much crime here anyway, not like u crazy yanks, sheesh, ive never even seen a gun in my life (well, not in australia).
In australia you can only attack with a weapon equivalent in force to the weapon the burgular/intruder is using. You see, it has to be a fair fight <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Gee here in the states you have people throwing Big Macs at each other.
You're a farce yourself as well
Would you care to elaborate? Perhaps some kind of counter to the statements and facts presented in the movie?
Hate is a much more powerful emotion than you think.
Let's look at 9-11.
After the attacks, a "get rich quick" plan was to sell anything Anti-Al Quaida.
People would spend money on useless, silly , crap like Osama T.P. because so many people hate him. And for good reason.
And if you can work with it, and harness it, Hate can become a powerful allie. A steed of detest that you can ride on. A motorcycle of rage you can power down a highway paved with gold. Hate can make you rich if you market it just right.
Love is powerful.
Hate is even stronger
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Well, actually hes right. Michael Moore statistics were off in some aspects, also he juxtoposed certain speeches or cut out parts to the desired effect. Of course, you should never call a documentary 'non fiction' anyway, you are foolish if you do.
Theres a whole site on it, ill see if i can dig it up.
[EDIT] i think this is the one, though i havent read through it
<a href='http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html' target='_blank'>Truth About Bowling For Columbine</a>
Theres a whole site on it, ill see if i can dig it up.
[EDIT] i think this is the one, though i havent read through it
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I haven't read it all either, but that site is from a lawyer who spends his time defending the second amendment and people's rights to bear arms. Not saying what he's claiming isn't true, but he has a definite bias and his slant on the movie should be taken in context with that. Anyone who supports the NRA or fervently defends their right to carry and bear arms would have a problem with the movie, since it is the avid militia freaks that Moore was specificially ridiculing. Even though Moore is himself a card-carrying member of the NRA. Maybe that's why they hate him so much. I don't think you can state "the whole thing was a made-up farce" and prove that everything he said was incorrect. At any rate, this isn't a Bowling for Columbine topic, just wanted to offer a little info on what other people have done to analyze this country's penchant for murder. The facts are that there were 16,000 murders here during 2002; far more than any other country.
Um no, not if ur talking about the bfc statistics.
His statistics only came from one source, and the FBI statistics showed the homocide count was much lower.
Keep reading the rest of that <a href='http://www.hardylaw.net/Truth_About_Bowling.html' target='_blank'>site</a>.
Lot of editing in that movie it's mostly fiction. I thought the movie was funny and interesting but I HATED how they claimed it was a documentary when half the things in it were out of context or edited. And Evis since we go through the trouble of reading your links and conspiracy essays I think you should try to read what others have to say.
Despite the best efforts of any legal system, people can get away with crimes. For example I'm sure there are some illegal acts you'll like to commit if the chances of being caught are low enough (from J-walking to murder to trying up your alligator to a telephone pole on the street). Now in a moment of passion one would be more willing to put up with a great amount of risk than one would otherwise take. That's why cases of murder are done in passion, as one is willing to risk more.
His statistics only came from one source, and the FBI statistics showed the homocide count was much lower.
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<a href='http://www.protectionagainstcrime.com/text/crime-statistics.html' target='_blank'>16,000/year</a>
"In 2002, the FBI reported 16,204 murders." <a href='http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-drutman4nov04,0,7207117.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions' target='_blank'>16,000/year</a>
Don't confuse gun deaths with homicide statistics. This is from the FBI directly: <a href='http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_02/xl/02tbl01.xls' target='_blank'>16,204 murders in 2002</a> This page on fbi.gov shows all of the recent years: <a href='http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/ucr.htm' target='_blank'>Uniform Crime Reports</a>
I have read the rest of that site.
<i>"After an email tip, I finally found a way to compute precisely 11,127. Ignore the FBI, use Nat'l Center for Health Statistics figures. These are based on doctors' death certificates rather than police investigation.
Then -- to their gun homicide figures, add the figure for legally-justified homicides: self-defense and police use against criminals. Presto, you have exactly Moore's 11,127. I can see no other way for him to get it.
Since Moore appears to use police figures for the other countries, it's hardly a valid comparison. More to the point, it's misleading since it includes self-defense and police: when we talk of a gun homicide problem we hardly have in mind a woman defending against a rapist, or a cop taking out an armed robber."</i>
This does not change the fact that 11,127 people were killed in 2001 by guns. I don't think Moore said anything else. Was it misleading? Probably. Was he trying to use the same scare tactics that the mainstream media uses to get people's attention? Probably. Were his figures wrong? <b>No.</b> Does Moore dislike Heston? Yes. Does the author of the web page have a strange and creepy affection for Heston and the NRA? Yes. Who cares? The point is Moore was trying to find an answer for why there were 11,127 deaths by firearms in 2001. And why, overall, there are over 16,000 homicides here every year. That, after all, is the point of this topic. I have pointed to the FBI's website showing that there were indeed 16,204 homicides last year in the U.S. These are the facts; debate your conclusions from them.
So getting away from BFC, and back on topic... why does the U.S. have so many murders per year, as opposed to any other Western country? 16,204 in 2002 alone. Why so many?
I spose I could kill somone for money but it would have to a lot of money because the risk of getting caught is great.
Actually the truth behind those figures gets funky. In 1983, Professor Edward Leamer wrote "Let's take the Con out of Econometrics" where he showed the role of bias in empirical studies and other other types of data. Basically he took a set of data with a prodeath bias and showed that every case of capital punishment prevented as many as 13 murders. Then he treated the same data again with an antideath penalty and showed that every case of capital punishment caused 3 murders. The saying "figures don't lie, but liars figure" is good one.
Serial killer? They never had nor will they ever have this border which distinguishes these two worlds. We may say "Oh, I'll kill him for that!" but we never mean it. However, a serial killer will actually mean it (whether he follows through with it or not is another issue).
It is a mental disease pure and simple.