Apparently Someone Likes The Ns Idea...
boooger
Join Date: 2003-11-03 Member: 22274Members
Join Date: 2003-11-03 Member: 22274Members
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<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->A brand new mod has been announced for Half-Life 2. The mod is called In Charge, what is In Charge you might ask? Well:
In Charge is a RTS/1st person team modification for the game Half-life 2.
The setting is the future. Man has colonised space and are now at war with two different alien races. The player will be able to choose from these three races, but only two races can meet each game. Each race has its own strengths and weaknesses, and each race needs to gather resources to build up a base, research, and buy units..
The battles will be fought on huge outdoor maps with a vast array of vehicles, buildings, weapons and more, for each side. Environments will stretch from humid jungles and burning deserts, to freezing tundra landscapes and abandoned city ruins.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Seem familiar to any game we know? Just a little bit? I wanted NS for HL-2, not some knockoff that apparently has a "morale" system that, IMHO, will suck majorly. Please, make a mod for HL-2 oh wise and omnipotent NS gods! Spare me the poorly written, uninventive crap that seems to eminate from the bowels of stupidity! Sure, it has the potential to be a good game, but it "won't got nuttin" on NS2, if it is ever made. Go to the "in charge" site, and click on media (there is a link in the www.f-m-b.org website). If I ever got killed by a "giraffe", as shown in the media section, I would kill myself. I would forever live with the horrible truth that I was killed by a 20 foot, 2 headed turkey getting ready for thanksgiving.
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->A brand new mod has been announced for Half-Life 2. The mod is called In Charge, what is In Charge you might ask? Well:
In Charge is a RTS/1st person team modification for the game Half-life 2.
The setting is the future. Man has colonised space and are now at war with two different alien races. The player will be able to choose from these three races, but only two races can meet each game. Each race has its own strengths and weaknesses, and each race needs to gather resources to build up a base, research, and buy units..
The battles will be fought on huge outdoor maps with a vast array of vehicles, buildings, weapons and more, for each side. Environments will stretch from humid jungles and burning deserts, to freezing tundra landscapes and abandoned city ruins.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Seem familiar to any game we know? Just a little bit? I wanted NS for HL-2, not some knockoff that apparently has a "morale" system that, IMHO, will suck majorly. Please, make a mod for HL-2 oh wise and omnipotent NS gods! Spare me the poorly written, uninventive crap that seems to eminate from the bowels of stupidity! Sure, it has the potential to be a good game, but it "won't got nuttin" on NS2, if it is ever made. Go to the "in charge" site, and click on media (there is a link in the www.f-m-b.org website). If I ever got killed by a "giraffe", as shown in the media section, I would kill myself. I would forever live with the horrible truth that I was killed by a 20 foot, 2 headed turkey getting ready for thanksgiving.
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<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->HL2central: What features do you feel will make your mod stand out from the crowd?
JustinCase: The 1st person/ RTS thing has been done before, but not together with AI-squads. There will be a lot of huge maps, as large as possible, and bases with real-sized buildings. One player will be commander, and the other layers will either be pilots and drivers for the vehicles, or squad leaders, with a number of bots that they order around.
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So basically it's a rip of NS with RCBot thrown in.
God I hope Flayra fires up a lawyer and issues a cease and decist order...
I can already pick out the possible differences of quality: Like how NS has a better mood and story, and how this might have a better strategy focus, and so on.
I like how they let every player be either commander, vehicle operator or officer which are the best parts. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> I also think "bad morale" only affects AI troops, which might be really interesting - These "AI troops" and "vehicle"-thingies seems to put more emphasize on movement and manouverability, which is the truly interesting parts of strategy if you ask me.
And there is no way Flayra could sue this guy. NS isn't the first RTS/FPS.
Good luck, In Charge.
everything else seems to be very very different.
At least check it out before you pass critisism or judgement on a game. I seem to remember some mags saying ns looked ok but few ppl would take to it because of this and that. Flayra kept in this and that and it now has a large and growing support base. If id acted on first impressions then i wouldnt of palyed it and id be jsut as bad as all of u fla=ming this kind of stuff. But i gave it a chance and now im one of the longest palying ns players in Western Australia, constantly helpin out the community by teaching n00bs how t ocomm in pubs *another shock, gasp* Something that the American community lacks from my take on all the posts complaining about noobs. You were all them once along, and despite being used to fast tactics and comms, dotn flame them for mistakes after all its from ur mistakes that u learn.
.. it wasn't.
you seem to have forgotten that the entire NS atmosphere is ripped from other popular franchises (aliens, starcraft..).. the way aliens evolve, the way marines talk, the way marines tech up.. they're even getting stimpacks now! only they're "cat-packs"..
flay would have absolutely no ground to "fire up" a lawyer because another free modification is ripping off his free modifcation which ripped off other retail products.
am I saying NS did something wrong? absolutely not. "borrowing" ideas in the industry is common, extremely common. just look at anything.. even dish soap companies steal ideas from one another. you're just being a two-bit fanboi when you immediately shoot down this modifcation without even giving it a chance.
play games to have fun, quit being a loyalist. NS is not the end-all-be-all, nor is it even remotely close to being 100% original. it's a great game, it's not a deity-incarnated in game form.
LOL.
NS is not the first RTS hybrid and it will not be the last. Nobody's going to sue anybody.
The list can go on endlessly how this thing sounds:
It sounds like StarShip Troopers
It sounds like StarCraft
It sounds like ...
Personally im glad to see another mod pop-up with rts/fps aspects. and as long as they dont use any NS copy-righted material Flay and the other's cant touch em'.
In Charge - Out-Door areas
NS - In-Door areas
In Charge - 3 Species, 2 alien
NS - 2 Species, 1 alien
In Charge - Ai units that are buildable with players as "down-the-ladder" commanders of the Ai
NS - The units are the players, no Ai
Nope, no NS influence there. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->not some knockoff that apparently has a "morale" system that, IMHO, will suck majorly.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
the suck majorly part is in reference to morale, not to the game as a whole. if i wanted to refer to the game in general, the sentence would have put put in such a fashion as this:
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->not some knockoff that apparently has a morale system. IMHO, this game will suck majorly<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
seriously, i'm not trying to be mean at all. i just want people to put that little extra bit of time into a post when they decide to reply. so, before you want to get back at me skele, i love you. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
His reasons:
-HL engine to pit Marines and Aliens
-...in a futuristic setting
-Build buildings through the RTS aspect for upgrades/etc
He was going for a general theme as opposed to "being the first hybrid." Cmon guys, read the post and comprehend a little. I'm not saying the reasons are good enough to smack down a lawsuit. Only that there's a lot of people seeing what the want/expect to see instead of what's really there...
Thats the beauty of making your own mods, you can throw what you want in there. The gamers will decide wether the mod lives or dies the death of the unwanted mod. If you dissaprove of a mod or content within a mod don't play it , easy.
As to the model/characters - others could argue that there are a lack of choice in NS as well but I merely consider playing a game the same as acting in a movie, you get a role to play.
It's not so easy to make a game... this project may fail or may be great HL2 mod, but it will happen after at least year of development i guess..
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he definately ripped off NS. he also ripped off starcraft waaayyyy more then NS. this man has NO originality in anything but the artwork. yes, the headless turky is original, if stupid. if he was a student at my school he'ld be expelled for plagerism.
that said:
seems like its gunna be a great game. like ns two or three rungs up the ol' command chain. just hope he gives credit where credit is due. perhaps somewhere more obvious, considering the obviousness of his plagerism at this point?
<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->he definately ripped off NS. he also ripped off starcraft waaayyyy more then NS. this man has NO originality in anything but the artwork. yes, the headless turky is original, if stupid. if he was a student at my school he'ld be expelled for plagerism.
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Someone get Fox in here then, to sue Flayra, and well, GW can have a go at Blizzard. Ooh, and Tolkien's estate can pick away at GW, and Tolkien, well, I know some ancient Saxon's who want a word with him and Oh My God I've gone cross-eyed........
<i>It's amazing the number of people that jumped on him swords-of-fire blazing about NS not being the first rts/fps. Nowhere in his post did he suggest that it was or that this is why Flay should sue
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-SuperMunchkin
Well. I was mainly replying to uranium - 235, and I think most people were.
But you have a point, I misinterpreted boooger a little bit.
<i>i hate to tell you, but any game that has something that looks like 20 foot tall 2 headed turkey deserves ridicule.</i>
-boooger
Yeah. Looks like a mix of the early concepts for NS aliens and the HL2 strider, so.. uh.. whats the problem? <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Seriously though, it doesn't look very aweinspiring, but Im interested to see how it actually turns out.
<i>i'm basing my judgement of the morale system with past experiences of games that have failed miserably in this area, hence the presumption for this particular area of the game, not the game as a whole. </i>
-booger
Yeah, that part is a bit worrieing, but on the other hand, this might be more of an RTS than an FPS, which means there might be a place for Morale just like in, say, Warhammer 40k.
This guy is <i>influenced</i> by Natural Selection, hell, this is a good thing, not only have the NS team made a great mod, but they're inspiring others to make the rather small FPS/RTS genre expand. As others have pointed out, this game will be vast open landscapes and vehicles, neither of which you'll find in NS in the near future. So what are we left with in common. The RTS elements and the marine vs aliens setting, neither of these are grounds for a lawsuit and i have no idea whatsoever why everyone's getting so worked up. You don't see the Gloom people suing NS do you?
Basically, lighten the hell up guys, the genre we all love is growing bigger and will explore new avenues and alleys that NS won't or can't touch either due to not wanting to or technical limitations with the HL engine.
NS isnt the first RTS/FPS game and it wont be the last, just respect this other developers mod, if you like it then play it, if you dont then stick to ns.
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Three races with two of them fighting at any time, means three possible combinations.
That's going to be very hard to balance, not just because there are more combinations than in NS, but because changing one species to balance a particular combination may unbalance another combination.
edit: it's three possible combinations, not six <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Just to reitterate, NS wasn't the first, nor is it going to be the last. If something starts having a hive system, evolving, an alien who started out life as "bob" and has the aliens called kalarah, while the humans are the FreeSystemAuthority, then you might have something to be up in arms about.