A Call Into The Void
Asal_The_Unforgiving
Join Date: 2003-03-26 Member: 14903Members
Join Date: 2003-03-26 Member: 14903Members
<div class="IPBDescription">for the return of honor</div> Lately, I've been noticing a few things about NS clan play, and simply put, it disgusts me. Looking through my posts, I seem to stumble across something over and over in them. I am displeased at the lack of respect and honor in the clan scene. Today I saw a post about clanners and possibly cheating...that made me mad. Not at the man who posted, but instead at the clanners whos actions have caused this to be thought of. In 1.04, clanners were great and respected, and very few people could equal them in the way they played, or the honor with which they played it. They were never caught exploiting, cheating, hacking, or being disrespectful. Now look around. The average clanner is an elitist fool who can't see beyond his own reputation. There was once a time when scripting was frowned upon, and now at times I get the feeling that I am the only one who DOESN'T script, and it bothers me.
This is really a plea to clan leaders...please try to keep it clean. Regain what was lost. Ask your clan to clean up the play. if you're going to end a game, do it quickly, don't build a base and taunt them. Don't laugh when your clan does this. Make NS a respectful game again?
This is really a plea to clan leaders...please try to keep it clean. Regain what was lost. Ask your clan to clean up the play. if you're going to end a game, do it quickly, don't build a base and taunt them. Don't laugh when your clan does this. Make NS a respectful game again?
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PLUG PLUG F**KING PLUG.
As for the scripting things and config things and total lack of sportsmanship things, USE YOUR BEST JUDGEMENT. I'd prefer to just play entirely unscripted NS, no jump scripts, no nothing, not a thing that you can't access from the menus without tinkering around in your NS cfg file. If your clan can LMG our hive to death in the first two minutes, by all means, please do, it helps us get a gauge on where our place is. If you can aim and play that well with naked skill, congrats to you and we won't bother you for several months as we analyze how to better play the game. That kind of thing. Don't cheat, don't set up loads of stupid scripts that remove the human aspect from play, and don't play like smacktards. Likewise, don't acuse if you lose in two minutes without loads of evidence, don't blame a loss on anything but the better ability to play, etc etc etc. It's a two way street.
I don't even know what I'm talking about. When is 2.1 + Combat getting here? :O I would throw money at Flay, but I'm lazy and a total ingrate bum moocher. :D LOVE ME~!
Hmm...Today I found out why I stopped playing NS so much. I usually join a game and as either marine or alien and I get put on the losing team.
Today: Joined a server, got put on marines, time was 36 minutes into the game. Khara had us entirely surrounded with onos and the marines with 1-2 hmgs total, 3 turrets and everybody else with lmgs. They stalled for another 10-15 minutes just building outside of our base. Wish i had my own server, either change the map when the game is already over, or threaten to kick/ban the winning team if they dont finish it.
do u think ns 2 made it worse, i dont think it could really affect something like that, besides last time i had a clan match they were good, they even got one of their players on our side cuz we had a shortage <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Meh, people in cal-o through i have been positively caught cheating in CS. Known, respected, liked people running downloadable skill. It sucks, but it happens. And remember that none of the accusers posted about Yumosis here - it was Soberana.
I'm not saying he hacks and I'm not saying he doesn't - I'm just saying that merely accusing him wasn't bad.
Active cheating - aggressive types of aimbots, wallhacks, etc. are actively being dealt with by developers of every mod and game out there. We have CD, server checks, Valve's stuff, demo's, spectating.
Sometimes we may have a hunch, spectate, record a demo, take screenshots - but what we do with that data is the most important. Send it to an admin and let the administrator deal with it. Don't go into the game and accuse people, or spread it around on forums or other slandering methods. Why?
Because we can't honestly know for certain and we don't have a right to create so much drama and political upheaval.
As far as scripting like the bunny hops, or the 6 oc's occupying a tiny space trick (seen that one? <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->), in pubs - it's the restrictions admins and developers put on things, no more. In clan matches - it's via agreement of the rules for that match - no more.
If you want to know the thing that really kills community, it's resentment and bickering. On the server xzilen's I frequent most - there used to be a lot of taunting, a lot of fighting, and yelling. I liked the people who played there but when it got into a match and something went wrong, it was unbearable.
So a couple of us started saying "look, stop the bull - let's try to spread the skill, let's stop talking ****, let's try to have some fun again." Eventually it worked, sometimes we get disgruntled at someone but we let it cool after a bit.
The gaming there has improved a lot. Just play it cool - clans and pubs. We're not as big as CS or maybe some other mods, but we are more personal. Names are known much more around the place, personalities show up - let's make that a benefit and not a way to ruin things.
u cant rely on admins to stop cheaters because they are human after all, im not on about the blatent ones they are just dumb, but some ppl can hide their cheating very well indeed. for example a couple of years ago i was in a uk CS clan (will remain nameless) one of our members had been with us for 6 months or more we never suspected him. a new anti cheat software became available one night and bam it caught him. he vanished and we never saw him again. he managed to hide his cheating for a very long time and hid it very well, i never suspected him and i used to play matches with him all the time.
unfortunatley incidents like this have made cs the awful paranoia ridden game it is today. this is what i dont want to see happen to NS
I don't think thats whats being discussed here. Asal is trying to get at the bigger picture of the clan scene in general. I have seen what Asal is talking about, the accusations and demos, etc. They are all really disgusting to see in the NS community, I mean, even the CS community wouldn't stoop this low.
There is always a possibility that someone may hack but going about accusing him and basically attacking him with derogatory words is not helping the situation anymore. There is always a civilised way of going about accusing someoone, what everyone has been doing is really bad for the community as a whole. The sad thing is that it has affect a bunch of top ten clans, hopefully you will read this message and apoligize for your rudeness. This does not mean you have to believe that he/she doesn't cheat, it just means you should go about it in a civilised manner.
Why does it make a difference if he's a clanner or not?
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Ty Idoit! (this is not an insult.. it's his name!)
Personally I use no high gamma, cl_rate, cl_interp, cl_extrapmax, and any of those other commands. Nor scripts. No custom models... all I changed was hud_fastswitch to 1, and a custom crosshair. Thats all. >:)
Personally I use no high gamma, cl_rate, cl_interp, cl_extrapmax, and any of those other commands. Nor scripts. No custom models... all I changed was hud_fastswitch to 1, and a custom crosshair. Thats all. >:) <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's all you need, really.
And exrapmax is *NOT* a serious exploit at all. Hell, I honestly don't believe it's an exploit.
For once I agree with gunslinger. Anyone can be a 'clanner' there is no honor amongst people you do not know. It has been proven through and through people will lie to your face if they think they can get away with it, it's a matter of those with any integrity to do their best to make sure they don't get away with it. But sometimes its not enough sadly.
But at the end of the day he has to live with what he does
I have said nothing about anyone, and this was a plea, not an attack or a flame, I wish to keep it that way
Also, if the forum administrators would please delete any flame that enters this topic, I would be grateful. This was designed to be ONLY one post, no more, and if you have a response, I would like it to be professional and respectful, as I have tried to keep mine.
As for the fact that anyone can be in a clan, I know what you are talking about. But some clans can be easily recognizable, like the one I am in [TMM] and the recently formed Venom. Also, some people know there has been some bad blood between the clans, but recently we have been trying to clean up. This is really all I ask of anyone, to try to continue with what you have. Some things won't go your way, and that's life.
As I am on the subject, I would like to make a formal apology to the members of vnm who thought they had no choice, for I can understand the powers of peer pressure and how it can work on many people. Some of the things that I said, though heartfelt, were entirely dishonorable and disrespectful. At the point at which I said them, I felt like I had been backstabbed by the man who was supposed to cover my back, and I have never born up well under that. Again, I apologize for what was said, and I hope that none of you hold against me my hot temper.
This is really a plea to clan leaders...please try to keep it clean. Regain what was lost. Ask your clan to clean up the play. if you're going to end a game, do it quickly, don't build a base and taunt them. Don't laugh when your clan does this. Make NS a respectful game again?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Nicely said ASAL. Very insightful. People have become so absorbed in winning using any way possible that it has, unfortunately, caused clans to be a bit stereotyped. To me a clan should be a place where you and your friends can congregate, play, learn, and help each other out. <i>(I also think every member of a clan should be willing to share his/her experience with new people in the game or anyone who asks for assistance. They are experienced so it is nice if they shared their insight with others)</i> Much like a family atmosphere. If you have a member of your group falling behind, help him/her out. That is what families/clans are for - To have fun and to help each other out in times of need. When you have this kind of foundation I believe your clan's reputation will settle itself.
I hope that anyone who has talked to myself or anyone else in TMM sees us in the same light and I hope that other clans are trying to do the same thing as well. Remember. Just because you see one clanner (possibly) hacking/exploiting - that does not mean the whole clan community does. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
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<!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->accusing such a respected veteran player of cheating is utter BS.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
In Last's Sig: <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Yumosis & Cristian never has and never will hack -- congrats to HAM for losing all my respect.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Do you think HAM is unfair, I don't want to start this fire again, but hes a server op, has a server and a clan to admin. If you have 100 emails telling you that so and so are cheaters, if you don't do something it makes your server and clan look bad. He had a tough choice to make.
Putting your bashing comments in your sig, are not very nice.
Send him a PM!
But as I said I don't want to get into this because I was not involved!
But HAM is a nice guy, so I had to say something!
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Ty Idoit! (this is not an insult.. it's his name!) <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
No prob 'Lorn, it's a great idea that I'm frankly quite happy is showing so much potential and progress. Keep up the good work, and do your best to make it as great as it has the possibility of being.
Also, feel free to call me Swift when I do or say something good, and Idiot when I fall on my face or something. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> The name is dual purpose for a reason!
Anyway, as far as cheaters go, you know, sometimes you just have to have faith in the other person's honesty. Sometimes we have our trust betrayed. We have to keep believing though, and of course resist any temptation we may feel to try cheating out for ourselves. I might not be some walking demi-god of online gaming, but at least I accept this and keep playing my best, and having both fun and frustrating moments with honesty constantly at my side. Such is life, you know? And it feels good. Even getting owned by someone vastly better than me over and over and over to the point of total frustration is tolerable when you know you're at least trying your best against them. I trust them to be playing straight with me, as I am with them, so if they are beating me senseless, <i>que sera sera.</i>
If we find out later that they have been cheating, we're all disappointed, yes, but we can't let that get to us. Anyway, I'm not drunk enough at all to be rambling and crying into my drink like this, so I'll sign off here.
Think positive people!
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Why do you say that? What is wrong with it? It is merely and honest post from a guy wishing some things would change from the way they are.
Edit: Or were you referring to the chica thing? If so, I say delete it, but I can't.
Saying that wont solve anything, it will just upset people and maybe make them angry. Explain why its so dumb and you might see some results.
Putting your bashing comments in your sig, are not very nice.
Send him a PM!
But as I said I don't want to get into this because I was not involved!
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... HAM is a clan, not a "guy".
The last thing I got from one of the HAM guys when I said I didn't believe Mosis was hacking was a comment about how ignorant I was <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->. Majin, just so you know, Mosis is not your average omgih4x0ron1337hamserver dude. He's in #cri and is known as probably the best marine player in the world (equal to SHAMPOO's level). Recently, some rumors about him hacking have exploded into a community wide witch hunt. Some idiots even made an AVI of him playing with a wallhack on (although, all in game sounds were off, making it easy enough to accuse him).
Asal: I never meant it as a flame. Never said it was. Where would you get that idea? There's a part of your post that I don't understand:
"They were never caught exploiting, cheating, hacking, or being disrespectful. Now look around. The average clanner is an elitist fool who can't see beyond his own reputation."
Many clanners are idiots, and have always been, since before the days of 1.04. Does that mean that the "average" clanner is an elitist fool? Most of the people I've met around IRC seem to be pretty nice people. As for cheating, exploiting, hacking, I've yet to see any of that from clanners, but plenty of "u fking n00b"'s. Please -- witchhunts like this about "exploiting and scripting" aren't helping the NS community at all. They only bring up furthur discussion of the two topics and makes it seem like everyone exploits or scripts.
I would term that as elitist, wouldn't you? The arrogant "I'm the best and you're no good" attitude? Seems to fit to me, and even if it doesn't, that IS what I'm talking about in this topic. Newbies have to learn sometime, why not help? If you're so good, have them follow you, pick up a few tricks.
I started the thread. That points directly at me.