This Entrapment Or Something!?
xioutlawix
Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 7118Members, Constellation
Join Date: 2002-11-05 Member: 7118Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">...</div> Hanging out in one of the miami chats which I have a tendency to do, talking to some people here and there, when I get an IM, the conversation proceeds as follows: (i'm cbjusdontplay)
DCL870: whats your asl
DCL870: 13/f/mia
CBJusDontPlay: 18/m/miami beach
CBJusDontPlay: no pic yet
CBJusDontPlay: working on it tho
DCL870: oh ok
DCL870: heh O:-)
*** DCL870 wants to directly connect.
*** DCL870 is now directly connected.
DCL870:
DCL870: thats me
CBJusDontPlay: typical 13 year old i'd say
DCL870: ive <span style='color:orange'>*edited*</span>
DCL870: do you ever meet people off here?
CBJusDontPlay: yup
DCL870: i have a cousin in Miami beach
DCL870: i was kinda looking to
<span style='color:orange'>Edited for content -- you can get the idea without the middle of the log</span>
DCL870: at that little hotel
CBJusDontPlay: lol umm
CBJusDontPlay: sure
CBJusDontPlay: not a problem
DCL870: your absoulutly sure
DCL870: 100%
CBJusDontPlay: yep
DCL870: Well, I'm sorry but I am not a 13 year old girl. This is the FBI and as you know you have agreed to a <span style='color:orange'>*edited out*</span>. We have stayed connected long enough to trace you and you will recieve a call within the next 3-5 days with a notification. Have a great night, and happy Halloween.
*** DCL870 direct connection is closed.
wth is this o.O
i mean fine, i'm willing to play along to get her off my back, but i was thinking that just saying so to get them off the IM was no problem, if you were to actually MEET someone underage at a private location, for the purposes of engaging them in...filth, that'd be another matter. should i be worried about this???
DCL870: whats your asl
DCL870: 13/f/mia
CBJusDontPlay: 18/m/miami beach
CBJusDontPlay: no pic yet
CBJusDontPlay: working on it tho
DCL870: oh ok
DCL870: heh O:-)
*** DCL870 wants to directly connect.
*** DCL870 is now directly connected.
DCL870:
DCL870: thats me
CBJusDontPlay: typical 13 year old i'd say
DCL870: ive <span style='color:orange'>*edited*</span>
DCL870: do you ever meet people off here?
CBJusDontPlay: yup
DCL870: i have a cousin in Miami beach
DCL870: i was kinda looking to
<span style='color:orange'>Edited for content -- you can get the idea without the middle of the log</span>
DCL870: at that little hotel
CBJusDontPlay: lol umm
CBJusDontPlay: sure
CBJusDontPlay: not a problem
DCL870: your absoulutly sure
DCL870: 100%
CBJusDontPlay: yep
DCL870: Well, I'm sorry but I am not a 13 year old girl. This is the FBI and as you know you have agreed to a <span style='color:orange'>*edited out*</span>. We have stayed connected long enough to trace you and you will recieve a call within the next 3-5 days with a notification. Have a great night, and happy Halloween.
*** DCL870 direct connection is closed.
wth is this o.O
i mean fine, i'm willing to play along to get her off my back, but i was thinking that just saying so to get them off the IM was no problem, if you were to actually MEET someone underage at a private location, for the purposes of engaging them in...filth, that'd be another matter. should i be worried about this???
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its a prank
a stupid prank, but a prank
and, so, why are you setting up private meetings with 13year olds, in hotels?
I am tired.....
oh and:
No, you can't trace via an IM
no, there is nothing wrong with ploting pedophilia (only commiting it)
It is in the UK, people go to jail all the time for potentially setting up meetings with underage children in Britain.
but well this is the US
<a href='http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/10/20031025-1.html' target='_blank'>http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/20...20031025-1.html</a>
Strange coincidence, isn't it?
(but yeah, I still have my doubts that this inciddent will amount to anything; I think you'd actually have to go there in order for anything to happen)
and the phone rings
a voice on the other end says
"You will die in 3-5 days "
I doubt you'll hear from anyone.
I don't think it's illigal to say things online.
"Freedom of speach"
As they can't proove you did something bad, you'll be ok.
and the phone rings
a voice on the other end says
"You will die in 3-5 days "
I doubt you'll hear from anyone.
I don't think it's illigal to say things online.
"Freedom of speach"
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They call it "grooming" in this country and it's punishable at the very least by having your name put down on the "Secks Offenders Register"
If the FBI is going to do something like that, one part is that it would be partial entrapment, and the second part is that they have no proof you actually planned to carry through.
and it wouldn't be the FBI doing it, it would be local police.
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DONT worry about it though
There's a quicker way to get people off your back - its called logging off.
A lot of pressure groups do this sort of thing online and then use it as evidence that your darling little child could be setting up all sorts of trysts online.
"ENTRAPMENT - A person is 'entrapped' when he is induced or persuaded by law enforcement officers or their agents to commit a crime that he had no previous intent to commit; and the law as a matter of policy forbids conviction in such a case.
However, there is no entrapment where a person is ready and willing to break the law and the Government agents merely provide what appears to be a favorable opportunity for the person to commit the crime. For example, it is not entrapment for a Government agent to pretend to be someone else and to offer, either directly or through an informer or other decoy, to engage in an unlawful transaction with the person. So, a person would not be a victim of entrapment if the person was ready, willing and able to commit the crime charged in the indictment whenever opportunity was afforded, and that Government officers or their agents did no more than offer an opportunity."
So no, its not entrapment if they offer you a 13 yr old and you greedily accept.
Don't take it as a flame, I'm just saying that if you participate in those sorts of conversations online then you've yourself to blame for any legal repercussions. Its probably a prank but at the very least perhaps next time you'll be a little wiser and just leave the chat.
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There's no way you could realy prove that his intentions were to have relations with this 13 year old.
However bad his excuse is, you realy can't dissprove it; unless he tried to contact this kid in person.
For all they know he could have been a little 8 year old.
Unless they already know you, in which case your fecked anway.
There's no way you could realy prove that his intentions were to have relations with this 13 year old.
However bad his excuse is, you realy can't dissprove it; unless he tried to contact this kid in person
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The beautiful bit is that I don't have to. He would have to, if prosecuted. Generally REAL law enforcement officials would set up a meeting and nab you when you attend, but the way things are going now I wouldn't be surprised if they'd take a note of your IP and watch carefully.
It still smells of a prank, but that doesn't excuse participation in that sort of conversation.
And yes, its entrapment if they lure you into something. Its kinda sticky how it works, but for example, if they say "Meet me here." and you meet them, and they show you are breifcase of drugs and ask if you want to buy them, then arrest you when you say "Yes." I think it would be entrapment because they kinda nudged you to commit an illegal act.
Now, if they say "Meet me here, if you want to buy some drugs." and you meet them, then its not entrapment because you had full knowledge that if you showed up, you would be there to buy drugs.
So, I guess in summary, entrapment would be anything done by law enforcement to encourage or assist you into commiting an illegal act.
They actually did this to some big time warez release groups, offered them a server with insane features (something like 100gb+ storage, dedicated T3 line) and when they took the offer and started uploading stuff, after a while they were arrested (the FBI actually kicked in the door of a guys house, and held his 8 year old brother at gunpoint). It borders on entrapment though, unfortunatly they got assigned crappy lawyers and plead guilty. *Shrug* If you can't take the heat...
EDIT: You could always create another account, then talk to the guy and try to convince him your a cop investigating him for falsely immitating law enforcement. Tell him your team had been tracking you for months, were about to nail you, and now this guys shenanagins scared you away.
I guess some geeks are too scared to go outside and annoy people the old fashioned way with eggs and shaving cream...
ont he other hand, since its not too hard for the comptuer savvy to use someone elses IP, that sort of thing cant stand up in court.
dont worry your perverted little head about it.
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Yes, you should be.
In a few hours, an unmarked black van will come to pick you up.
You'll be detained in an undisclosed location without access to a lawyer or sunlight.
Then, after a secret trial, you'll be shipped to a maximum security prison in some Middle Eastern country.
And you know what happens to pedophiles in prison...
and secondly, i much prefer older women in the 25-30 range. they know all the tricks already, they cook, and i can pretend they're my mom (JUST KIDDING! DON'T CRUCIFY ME!) <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
It happens at one point or another.
They couldn't charge you for the internet thingy, you have to physically be doing something wrong, not just saying it.
If you actually go and meet the person, you'd be arrested.
If you don't, they have no case.
I really don't think you have anything to worry about.
And yes, its entrapment if they lure you into something. Its kinda sticky how it works, but for example, if they say "Meet me here." and you meet them, and they show you are breifcase of drugs and ask if you want to buy them, then arrest you when you say "Yes." I think it would be entrapment because they kinda nudged you to commit an illegal act.
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I guess you didn't read my quote on entrapment. Not entirely surprising, really.
You sick types who go after our kids.
Your gonna be the meat in a Inmate sandwish!
STAY AWAY FROM MY FAMILY!
The FBI is coming for you and they are going to put you in jail for 20 years, where your going to become a human poop mop!
HAHAHHAHA
Thats such a prank, don't even worry about it.
I don't think the FBI would come out and say, "Hey guess what.. We are the FBI!"