<!--QuoteBegin--Hida Tsuzua+Nov 3 2003, 08:37 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Hida Tsuzua @ Nov 3 2003, 08:37 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Another problem is how compatible are work hours? I.e. does Flayra coding for NS count as much as me cleaning toliets or a manager running a factory? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> A good question. What is more important, clean toilets or cool computer games?
I posit that basic needs come first, i.e. without clean toilets, there would be no cool computer games.
<!--QuoteBegin--revolutionary+Nov 4 2003, 01:36 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (revolutionary @ Nov 4 2003, 01:36 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> All work produces an equal amount of value, given that you only work when there is demand.
read about the labor theory of value. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> I agree with that but that doesn't apply here (after all in another discussion I was talking about the Indifference Principle). But 1 hour of me coding for NS /= 1 hour of Flay coding as my output would be gone to figuring out what the heck to do. I'll agree that after x hours from me, I'll equal the value of Flay's 1 hour. Or 2 hours of me cleaning toliet's isn't equal to your 2 hours. It's true there are values that they equalize at that still means we have to figure out what they are and a common standard to compare them. Ideally money is this already and CWAG's plan doesn't have a way to prevent the same problems we already have from happening.
Edit- He might have some way to solve this problems that I've overlooked or he said yet. If so, I'll be curious as to what they are.
CWAG's idea oft quoted earlier has already been done.
I do not know the correct terminology, let us say pre communism. (I put much faith in the old ways anyway, they developed spontaneously)
For instance in the early times of Tang China the tax system involved labor and services to pay off taxes instead of money. I'm sure this has occured in other times in Chinese history as well as in other places in the world at certain times.
Communism is a piece of crap. Regardless of the flavor, your children are in custody of the state from birth. When all bits of capitalist thought are destroyed, you are left with a gov't market that does not meet demand and that creates a whole slew of problems.
<!--QuoteBegin--Sizer+Nov 5 2003, 12:00 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sizer @ Nov 5 2003, 12:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Communism is a piece of crap. Regardless of the flavor, your children are in custody of the state from birth. When all bits of capitalist thought are destroyed, you are left with a gov't market that does not meet demand and that creates a whole slew of problems. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd--> Please know what final communism is, ignorant tool.
<!--QuoteBegin--CommunistWithAGun+Nov 5 2003, 12:38 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CommunistWithAGun @ Nov 5 2003, 12:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--Sizer+Nov 5 2003, 12:00 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sizer @ Nov 5 2003, 12:00 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Communism is a piece of crap. Regardless of the flavor, your children are in custody of the state from birth. When all bits of capitalist thought are destroyed, you are left with a gov't market that does not meet demand and that creates a whole slew of problems. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> Please know what final communism is, ignorant tool. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd--> We're talking about real communism here, not some fantasy utopia where everyone holds hands and the greedy capitalist crooks are eliminated.
After reading this thread, it becomes apparent to myself and any observant individual that this thread is the epitamy example of why communism will not work outside of those that support it, and fully understand it. I wouldn't call the majority of these posts flames against CWAG, but all of them more or less invalidate his theory as hiw own, or challenge its nature. I'm not supporting him because i beleive in it, or because i think hes being flamed, i'm merely making an example of how the content of this thread's posts have followed a predictable pattern.
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A good question.
What is more important, clean toilets or cool computer games?
I posit that basic needs come first, i.e. without clean toilets, there would be no cool computer games.
read about the labor theory of value. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I agree with that but that doesn't apply here (after all in another discussion I was talking about the Indifference Principle). But 1 hour of me coding for NS /= 1 hour of Flay coding as my output would be gone to figuring out what the heck to do. I'll agree that after x hours from me, I'll equal the value of Flay's 1 hour. Or 2 hours of me cleaning toliet's isn't equal to your 2 hours. It's true there are values that they equalize at that still means we have to figure out what they are and a common standard to compare them. Ideally money is this already and CWAG's plan doesn't have a way to prevent the same problems we already have from happening.
Edit- He might have some way to solve this problems that I've overlooked or he said yet. If so, I'll be curious as to what they are.
I do not know the correct terminology, let us say pre communism. (I put much faith in the old ways anyway, they developed spontaneously)
For instance in the early times of Tang China the tax system involved labor and services to pay off taxes instead of money. I'm sure this has occured in other times in Chinese history as well as in other places in the world at certain times.
Please know what final communism is, ignorant tool.
Please know what final communism is, ignorant tool. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
We're talking about real communism here, not some fantasy utopia where everyone holds hands and the greedy capitalist crooks are eliminated.
Are you a troll or something?