More Matrix Stuff
OttoDestruct
Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7790Members
Join Date: 2002-11-08 Member: 7790Members
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Well I just watched the first movie and wrote down what I thought might be foreshadow, hints, etc.
Movie begins with Trinity and ends with Neo (same as second, don't know if this means anything)
Follow the white rabbit stuff - Could this possibly NOT be Trinity? Perhaps someone else not revealed?
Is the white rabbit a program?
Jesus theory - quote "Hallelujah man you're my own personal Jesus Christ"
Again from same guy - "Sometimes you just gotta unplug."
Zooming into the interrogation theres monitors as in the Architecht's room, could this have been foreshadow into the second that I just missed the first times watching?
I forget the exact quote but Morpheus talked about the the person to first wake people from the Matrix - he could change whatever he wanted, then he died. Cometh the Oracle to predict his return.
Oracle prophecised "One of you is going to die, which one is up to you." Could she have been referring to some event which hasn't passed yet and NOT Morpheus being captured?
"Only human" Agent said this on the rooftop scene, so did the guy in Zion Neo talked to in the second movie about dependency on machines.
Movie begins with Trinity and ends with Neo (same as second, don't know if this means anything)
Follow the white rabbit stuff - Could this possibly NOT be Trinity? Perhaps someone else not revealed?
Is the white rabbit a program?
Jesus theory - quote "Hallelujah man you're my own personal Jesus Christ"
Again from same guy - "Sometimes you just gotta unplug."
Zooming into the interrogation theres monitors as in the Architecht's room, could this have been foreshadow into the second that I just missed the first times watching?
I forget the exact quote but Morpheus talked about the the person to first wake people from the Matrix - he could change whatever he wanted, then he died. Cometh the Oracle to predict his return.
Oracle prophecised "One of you is going to die, which one is up to you." Could she have been referring to some event which hasn't passed yet and NOT Morpheus being captured?
"Only human" Agent said this on the rooftop scene, so did the guy in Zion Neo talked to in the second movie about dependency on machines.
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About the Oracle thing: Remember that the oracle knows the future, but says whatever needs to be said to have that future happen. This is shown when Neo talks to her- would he have swung around and knocked the plant down if she hadn't told him before it happened? She tells Neo about the choice, and also tells him that he isn't the One. His decision was influenced by this, because when he decided to go in after Morpheus, Neo beleived that he wasn't as important as Morpheus. I'm pretty confident that the Oracle was talking about this event.
By the way, check out the essays on the official website. They can make you sound smart (especially the one about the ties to Christianity, Buddhism, and Gnosticism).
Yes but Trinity never ACTUALLY said she did that stuff to his computer.
The Matrix and Philosophy
Because the Wachowski's don't look at the bible as part of a religion but rather as a philosophy for some parts.
also, room 101 in the first Matrix.
Movie begins with Trinity and ends with Neo (same as second, don't know if this means anything)
Follow the white rabbit stuff - Could this possibly NOT be Trinity? Perhaps someone else not revealed?
Is the white rabbit a program?
Jesus theory - quote "Hallelujah man you're my own personal Jesus Christ"
Again from same guy - "Sometimes you just gotta unplug."
Zooming into the interrogation theres monitors as in the Architecht's room, could this have been foreshadow into the second that I just missed the first times watching?
I forget the exact quote but Morpheus talked about the the person to first wake people from the Matrix - he could change whatever he wanted, then he died. Cometh the Oracle to predict his return.
Oracle prophecised "One of you is going to die, which one is up to you." Could she have been referring to some event which hasn't passed yet and NOT Morpheus being captured?
"Only human" Agent said this on the rooftop scene, so did the guy in Zion Neo talked to in the second movie about dependency on machines. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
The white rabbit is just the tatoo on the womans arm when the bloke comes to pick up his software
<a href='http://www.aboutfilm.com/movies/m/matrix-anlys.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.aboutfilm.com/movies/m/matrix-anlys.htm</a>
Movie begins with Trinity and ends with Neo (same as second, don't know if this means anything)
Follow the white rabbit stuff - Could this possibly NOT be Trinity? Perhaps someone else not revealed?
Is the white rabbit a program?
Jesus theory - quote "Hallelujah man you're my own personal Jesus Christ"
Again from same guy - "Sometimes you just gotta unplug."
Zooming into the interrogation theres monitors as in the Architecht's room, could this have been foreshadow into the second that I just missed the first times watching?
I forget the exact quote but Morpheus talked about the the person to first wake people from the Matrix - he could change whatever he wanted, then he died. Cometh the Oracle to predict his return.
Oracle prophecised "One of you is going to die, which one is up to you." Could she have been referring to some event which hasn't passed yet and NOT Morpheus being captured?
"Only human" Agent said this on the rooftop scene, so did the guy in Zion Neo talked to in the second movie about dependency on machines. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The white rabbit is just the tatoo on the womans arm when the bloke comes to pick up his software <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uhm... yes.. I know its the woman.. I was referring to the woman.
Normally I <i>would</i> post screenshots, but my DVD seems to be missing. Damn.
Also, if you havent already, watch the Animatrix before seeing the third one, should really make things a little more clear.
Movie begins with Trinity and ends with Neo (same as second, don't know if this means anything)
Follow the white rabbit stuff - Could this possibly NOT be Trinity? Perhaps someone else not revealed?
Is the white rabbit a program?
Jesus theory - quote "Hallelujah man you're my own personal Jesus Christ"
Again from same guy - "Sometimes you just gotta unplug."
Zooming into the interrogation theres monitors as in the Architecht's room, could this have been foreshadow into the second that I just missed the first times watching?
I forget the exact quote but Morpheus talked about the the person to first wake people from the Matrix - he could change whatever he wanted, then he died. Cometh the Oracle to predict his return.
Oracle prophecised "One of you is going to die, which one is up to you." Could she have been referring to some event which hasn't passed yet and NOT Morpheus being captured?
"Only human" Agent said this on the rooftop scene, so did the guy in Zion Neo talked to in the second movie about dependency on machines. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The white rabbit is just the tatoo on the womans arm when the bloke comes to pick up his software <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Uhm... yes.. I know its the woman.. I was referring to the woman. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
well, i figured she wasnt important. she has less than 10 words
Nah. Everything the oracle said in the first movie happened, and happened in that movie. Neo did die. I especially like these lines:
"I'm not the one?"
"Sorry kid. You've got the gift, but it looks like you're waiting for something."
"For what?"
"Your next life maybe, who knows?"
He died, respawned, and when he respawned he was The One. Exactly what the oracle said <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Thats a statement of fact. One of them IS going to die. Just a matter of time, isnt it? Neo may think he chose to save himself and Morphy, but the Oracle being what she is, I'd expect one of them to die in Revolutions.
h4x! Teh Rebels hAd Nooo Ip. How dID teh One respawn?? DistreSs BeAcoN? but Tehy Have no OBS!!
How did Neo come back to life?
h4x! Teh Rebels hAd Nooo Ip. How dID teh One respawn?? DistreSs BeAcoN? but Tehy Have no OBS!!
How did Neo come back to life? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
Err, Trinity kissed him. The power of love or something... And stuff...
Nice spawn time. Pretty nice observation.
god <i>damn</i>, people.
she had LESS than 10 words... did she have ANY?
and she wasn't even out of the matrix 0_o... not enlightened or <i>anything</i>.
key element my @$$. overanalyzation = bad.
All scenes shot inside the matrix were done with a slightly greenish tint.
All scenes shot outside the matrix were done with a slightly bluish tint.
Look closely and you can see this.
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Also, for the record, I sincerely doubt the Architect was referring to the Oracle when he said "Mother of the Matrix." My theory? It was Trinity. In the same way Bane exists outside the matrix, so does Trinity. They are both programs.
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it was really obvious. lol
as for the "programs outside the matrix" thing, bane has a smith uploaded into him..
what about trinity? 0_o
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Q: How can Neo die and come back to life?
Does Neo die? Neo is shot repeatedly by Agent Smith at point blank range, but that is not really Neo, of course. That is a digital representation of the real Neo (a simulacra, if you will--note the title of the fake book inside which Neo keeps his money, at the beginning of the film). If somebody is killed in The Matrix, they die in the real world because "their mind makes it real," as Morpheus explains, and "the body cannot live without the mind." But Neo is The One. He has the ability to see The Matrix for what it is. His mind doesn't make it real. Neo goes into momentary cardiac arrest, which is technically "death," but brain activity continues for several minutes after the heart stops beating--enough time for Neo's mind to reject the reality of The Matrix, perhaps. Or maybe it's just a miracle.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
also
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Q: If the Oracle never lies and the Oracle is always right, how can Neo be The One when the Oracle tells him he's not?
If you watch the scene again, you will notice two things:
1) The Oracle never actually tells Neo that he is not The One. Instead, she allows Neo to draw this conclusion for himself. As Morpheus later explains, she allows him to think he is not The One so that Neo will be willing to risk his life to rescue Morpheus. Had Neo not attempted the rescue, he would not have discovered the true extent of his abilities and Morpheus would be dead.
2) Strictly speaking, when Neo meets the Oracle, he is not really The One. Not yet. The Oracle explains that in order to be The One, you must know that you are--you must feel it instinctively. The Oracle says, "Sorry, kid. You've got the gift, but it looks like you're waiting for something." "What?" asks Neo. "Who knows? Your next life maybe," the Oracle responds. The Oracle leaves open the possibility that Neo will be The One in his "next life," and she also predicts that Neo will die if he attempts to save Morpheus. Neo does die, or at least his heart stops beating, for a few moments. When he revives, he has become The One. He can see The Matrix for what it is--the output of complex computer programs run in a huge mainframe. In a way, Neo is now a powerful hacking program. He can alter anything he wants.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
h4x! Teh Rebels hAd Nooo Ip. How dID teh One respawn?? DistreSs BeAcoN? but Tehy Have no OBS!!
How did Neo come back to life? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Err, Trinity kissed him. The power of love or something... And stuff... <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
<TSA Research Division>
That option seems faster and more resource-conserving. We must study further this thing called 'love'.
</TSA Research Division>
Just goes to show that to today's kids Jesus Christ didn't resurrect - he respawned.