The Newbie Mapping Forum And You
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Rock Bottom Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15175Members, Constellation
Rock Bottom Join Date: 2003-04-03 Member: 15175Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">Please use it. ^___^</div> Ok, i don't mean to sound like a little hitler or something, but on the main mapping forum page i can see 4 newbie mapping questions going around. Just as a little bit of info, see at the top of the mapping forum, we have the <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=SF&f=34' target='_blank'>newbie mapping forum</a> which has the sole purpose of being there so you can ask nub-like questions that aren't covered in the FAQ.
It was created to keep these kind of questions out of the main mapping forum so it's threads and coverage can be used to ongoing maps and development, not answering the same questions that have been asked time and time again and are covered in a number of tutorials.
I don't mean to whine or whatnot, but can people please use the <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=SF&f=34' target='_blank'>newbie mapping forum</a> for such questions.
Thank you. ^___^
It was created to keep these kind of questions out of the main mapping forum so it's threads and coverage can be used to ongoing maps and development, not answering the same questions that have been asked time and time again and are covered in a number of tutorials.
I don't mean to whine or whatnot, but can people please use the <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=SF&f=34' target='_blank'>newbie mapping forum</a> for such questions.
Thank you. ^___^
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... i somehow doubt they read the stickys if they missed the newbie mapping forum in the top <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->
A forum dedicated to me.
Now that's service <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
I noticed, which is why i resurrected this thread.
Yeah..... people are <b>STILL</b> ignoring the FAQs and Newbie forum.
Also maybe some active moderators around to move threads should they appear in the inapproiate forums wouldn't harm and then we'd have a nicely organised forum. I nominate myself for a such task should no one else be free <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> Lets not go totally communist though and turn into the DOD mapping forum.
Plus that simpsons thing, great <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
Professor Frink: "People, hello people can I have you attention *mutter mutter* eeer, PI IS EXACTLY 3!!" *crowd gasps*
Yep, we need some dedicated forum mods here.
I could do that task too <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
Why don't they move the newbie mapping stuff here, in the main forum, and move the general mapping stuff to the subforum: "Expert Mapping and Map Releases" ... or something like that. Hell, "expert mapping" and "mapping releases and screenshots" could both go in different forums! Or maybe another word besides "expert"... just experienced mappers, not elitist, you know.
Then all the "my onos get's stuck in my map!" (answer: read the guidelines, cretins) and "where can I get the NS fgd?" (a: your brain is tiny) and "hey can someone tell me what I have to get to map for NS?!" (a: please crawl under a rock and die already) and "my map wont compile it sez something about a leak" (a: dont take it personally but i shall kill you now) crud from your average wallowing n00bie will end up where it belongs. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
Only the truly stupid will post dumb questions in an "expert" or "experienced" or "marginally informed about the world around them" subforum, and then we will be justified in getting grumpy when we hear these silly questions. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
I wish people would just read the damned FAQ.
<!--QuoteBegin--The first thing in the Mapping FAQ+--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (The first thing in the Mapping FAQ)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> In case you didn't catch it, the description of this forum lists a single rule.
This forum is -not- for questions about how to map. This forum is for questions about how to use the NS specific entities, NS specific design specifications, and NS concepts within a map.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I can handle people asking about NS's particle system, for example, but people asking about how to make doors or additive signs, it just gets beyond a joke. These are things covered in beginners tutorials.
Hell, MrBen, Mendasp and myself spent a long time yesterday explaining to someone what a brush is. He was having trouble finding the info_join_team entity, we we offered to help (Since that's what #NSMapping is there for) and eventually we discovered he didn't know what a brush was, didn't know how to select and texture individual sides of a brush and didn't know how to tie a brush to an entity. All of those are the most basic beginner stuff.
I wish people would just learn to crawl before they can walk and just go and read one of the many fine tutorials on <a href='http://collective.valve-erc.com/' target='_blank'>VERC</a> or <a href='http://www.snarkpit.com/' target='_blank'>snarkpit.com</a> and quit bugging us because they're too lazy to actually find or read a tutorial.
You may be thinking by now that i have something against new mappers. Well, i don't. I have something against lazy mappers. The ones that don't bother to search for <b>5 freakin' seconds</b> to find a tutorial or explanation of something. I'm pretty sure that this forum has covered virtually every NS mapping problem, and definately has links to virtually any Half-Life error that is likely to come up, so why, please god tell me why, do we get a post about "OMG MY ONUS IS STUKC I TEH FLOOR!!11" every other damned day?
so I try the search button, at least Im not noob enough...
but my compiler says something about a leak and I dont know what this means. and where I can get the ns.fgd? *smiles with mad grin* ^^
But I do think renaming/moving forums would be the best bet.
The forums should be in my opinion split into two like so:
<b>technical questions:</b> All questions about anything and everything regarding NS mapping, and i think i agree with whoever said this should be the forum you come to when you click on the mapping forum link from the board list. This should also contain all the relevant stickies including mapping faq and the particle system guide. Also i think the idea of a stickied thread containing resources to such as tutorials should be there similiar to this: <a href='http://www.chatbear.com/board.plm?a=viewthread&t=243,1035382626,19199&id=329157&b=9&v=flatold' target='_blank'>VERC mapping forum sticky</a> could allow us to easily point people in the direction of an answer/tutorial.
Also the search button should be in bright red to stand out <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
<b>Mapping releases and pimping:</b> For exactly that, a forum to post about your map with screenshots or bsps or whatever and that can have relevant stickies like post your screenshots or whatever.
Then just have a few moderators around to move topics to approiate forums and to keep things in easy order.
There are really four logical sections... map releases, map development, technical discussions, and mapping questions. For the sake of simplicity map development and technical discussions can go into one section. That makes three very nice stages for organization.
And a dedicated mapping forum mod wouldn't hurt either.
If they don't want to moderate (they don't hang around that often, but neither do any of the other mods) then I nominate...... Me. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
I added that after one person actually thought I was the great KungFuSquirrel. Too bad though, I'd love to have half his talent <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> .
I agree though. I think both of them would be excelent choices to moderate this forum. Mr. Ben would be a good choice also since I've been seeing him around the forums lately. Of course that could just be from him pimping his ns_ map (which is looking great).
Anyways, arguing over the implementation of this suggestion is pointless. The idea here is that maybe these forums could use a little reorganization to finally produce a solution to the silly posts plaguing this forum.