Have Tactics Left Ns With 2.0?
CommunistWithAGun
Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
Local Propaganda Guy Join Date: 2003-04-30 Member: 15953Members
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For the most part this never becomes an issue, because most "good" commanders seem to merely relocate to the exact same locations on the map. There's still a lot of strategic variety to be had.
I think that is the worse thing about ns 2, it took so many aspects out of the game. Most other changes (1 hive onos, new abilities, electricity etc) are ok, IMHO.
Besides , JP HMG rush does work. If the comm finds a hive without OCs , a squad of 3 JP HMGers can get rid of fades , lerks and skulks with ease , and knife the hive. They just need level 1 armor and probably level 1-2 weapons.
An average 15 minute game:
Rush to do this, rush to do that, "OMG you newb! you welded the wrong...Com? WTH are you doing!!...Guys we need to defend this hive!!! Guys?...Seiges seiges attack them! Stop yanking in the corner fade get in there!...O M G we lost the hives because you heavy armored morons were humpin the armory...you Idiots... You newbs...you hopeless, spark o' life life-wasting, examples of inherent human stupidity..."
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
Now that it's out of my system, I miss the epic battles. I miss the times when onos meant certain doom. I miss the surprise seiging after a lull in the action. I miss the old blink. I miss imbalance.
Besides , JP HMG rush does work. If the comm finds a hive without OCs , a squad of 3 JP HMGers can get rid of fades , lerks and skulks with ease , and knife the hive. They just need level 1 armor and probably level 1-2 weapons. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
dude...just one JP HMG would kill all lerks, fades, skulks, and the hive using the HMG...no knifing...And one or two OC did nothing since their accuracy used to be so terrible...
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I know that , it was due to 1) extra cheap JPs (tech and equip) and 2) framerate dependancy letting people "rambo hives" (the horror)
But fades could use acid rocket at 1 hive so they had a fair fight when they had the time to evolve.
And good lerks could take them out with their bite. Now the shotgun is a preferred JPer weapon so lerks and fades keep their distances anyway... and OCs do have a reduced accuracy against flying JPers.
However, its too fast imo. You get lerks and fades after one or two deaths, hives come up more than twice as fast...HA and Adv. weapons just as fast...I DONT WANT ONOS' TO FIGHT 3/3 HA-HMGS!
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I'D LIKE TO SEE YOU DO THAT!!!
But seriously I think tactics seem limited only because of the diminished window of opportunity the marines have in 2.0. In 1.04 the marines could be flexible because they had plenty of time 'til the point of no return: the second hive. Now, vs a decent alien team, the marines have about 4 minutes to control the game. If you don't have nodes and upgrades by this point its very hard to push out of base and deal with fades. Also, if you didn't kill the alien nodes, they are going to have a field day with OC spam and 6 minute Onos. You can't wait til the 4 minute mark to kill nodes because they've already gained their advantage, and good luck killing nodes with LA vs fades anyway.
Just about everything that worked in 1.04 works now, but what decides how effective the tactics will be is how well the marines pace the game for themselves early on. JP/HMG is still great but you have to play it more as a control tactic opposed to the instant hive death that it was in 1.04. 2 jp/hmgers + 3 jp/shotties can control the res game until you have enough for HA. Or you can try assaulting the hive with your jp's but it's very unlikely in a pub that you can get this much equipment before the other team has OC spam in the hives and lerks with umbra to protect. It's best just to control the res game and keep them away from putting up that 3rd hive <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo-->
A game thats just as fair on pubs as it is with clans.
A game thats just as fair on pubs as it is with clans. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
If you think pubs = clan scrims then you are just ignorant, get out of your shell and try new stuff.
Like I said, NS should move away from hardcore competitive play because guess what? The competitive players are LEAVING.
Lets keep this on topic huh? you too forlorn :x
I've played with him and against him in enough games through enough 2.01x versions to know CWAG is pretty darned well informed.
The way I see it there's the same old tactics as the old versions, and maybe a couple more strategies due to the (highly annoying) resource model.
The true difference for me is that now winning is bland, and losing is beyond aggravating. I believe this is due to a resource model that does not allow for flexibility on game size (Smaller than normal games favor alien too much, larger games favor marines too much.), the faster style of play (that allows for no mistakes and increases the learning curve to a rediculous level making it hard on new players and near impossible for new commanders to get the hang of things), and extra overhauling and balancing that is rather clan play biased (alienating the larger group of players who want a "fun" game not a stress induced hemorrage of the brain.)
Perhaps things are too fast, perhaps the tech needs rebalancing i just dont know. But yeh there is a few things lacking, NS would be perfect if all strats were viable and it depended on skill and ability to adapt to the situation.
For example, all chamber combinations were viable, and all rine tech was classed powerful as the rest of it but depended on res control. That would mean jet packs vs HA, mines vs welder, shotgun vs GL these would all be combos that are different from each other but require totally different but just as powerful ways of play. At the moment most people would choose a HA over a JP, a welder over mines, a shotgun over a GL. Yeh they work in certain situations but they are generally preferable, if the tech was reworked to make mixing up what u go with personal preference rather than what was most powerful, the game would be better.
Basicly i want everything to be just as viable as everything else, not what is most powerful and being forced to go with that.
- RD
The problem with comming for random servers is that you do not get to know your troops well, this is a problem especially if you want to use non-newbie-friendly tactics.
Find a server that suits your level of play, and get to know the players; got some folks who are jp/sg ninja, suit em up and support and you have a high-mobility strike force, this mobility is also good for controlling the map; or if you have someone sneaky, sneak em in and phase rush a hive, lock it down.
The truth is hives are pretty fragile, and as long as you can know what your team is capable of, you have a great deal of tactics you can chose from.
Lets keep this on topic huh? you too forlorn :x <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
I am on topic, my god, he asked for new tatics, and I told him where to find some...