Baseball, Football, Hockey, Soccer;

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  • MrMojoMrMojo Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9882Members, Constellation
    Oh, ok. So, when I watched baseball on tv, and it took them 10 minutes to actually hit the ball ( during that 10 minutes, we saw a lot of close up shots of the pitcher, the catcher, and tons of replays of the batter missing), my eyes were decieving me?
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    You are one of said hyperactive sunny D kids then.

    "OMG THERE HAS NOT BEEN A SLAM DUNK IN 5 SECONDS, MY ADDICTION FOR MASSIVE CONTINOUS STIMULATION IS UNFILLED, I MUST HAVE MOVEMENT ON THE SCREEN OR I SHALL GO INTO WITHDRAWL".

    Baseball is more about finesse and anticipation. You cannot learn it watching for 10 minutes any more than you can learn about pleasing a woman in 10 minutes. Baseball fans make better lovers.

    Let me guess. You find 16 linebackers running into each other and moving 3 inches for 3 hours to be much more exciting.
  • Smoke_NovaSmoke_Nova Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8697Members
    Uhh...*not gonna make a smart reply to MonsE's post about Baseball fans being better lovers*


    Baseball is a game of finesse. Football has about as much finesse as an elephant dancing. Volleyball is fun to play, pointless to watch (well, men's is pointless)

    dang it, i'm agreeing with MonsE again. the world has stopped spinning...brrr, anyone notice how cold Michigan just got?
  • MrMojoMrMojo Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9882Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Oct 17 2003, 03:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Oct 17 2003, 03:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> You are one of said hyperactive sunny D kids then.

    "OMG THERE HAS NOT BEEN A SLAM DUNK IN 5 SECONDS, MY ADDICTION FOR MASSIVE CONTINOUS STIMULATION IS UNFILLED, I MUST HAVE MOVEMENT ON THE SCREEN OR I SHALL GO INTO WITHDRAWL".

    Baseball is more about finesse and anticipation. You cannot learn it watching for 10 minutes any more than you can learn about pleasing a woman in 10 minutes. Baseball fans make better lovers.

    Let me guess. You find 16 linebackers running into each other and moving 3 inches for 3 hours to be much more exciting. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'm sure all other sports rely on luck, instead of finesse. What you call finesse others call boring.


    But there's no point in arguing this, you'll think what you think and I'lll think what I think.
  • BlackMageBlackMage [citation needed] Join Date: 2003-06-18 Member: 17474Members, Constellation
    i think non-violent discussion of sports is actually the best sport
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  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Oct 17 2003, 08:05 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Oct 17 2003, 08:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This comparision, I can't refute completely. It's true, Kata performances are like pro-wrestling, only without the stupid 'stars', the ridiculous costumes, the stuntmen, the faked pain, and the corrupt business around it, but with style, style, style, and, of course, style. Martial arts choreographing as we know it from the movies developed out of Kata displays, and having seen a few of the true pros in action, it shows.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Excellent, so you admit that your favorite sport is basically pro wrestling. We stand in awe of your sport. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I'd ask you to actually <i>read</i> my post, but i know you did and just couldn't come up with anything fitting and witty, so you decided to go for one out of two <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Snicker. As for your sword fighting, it's silly and dumb and no one cares. Non-team sports (Tennis, Golf, pretending to stab people with blunt swords, etc.) are strictly for over-rich wankers and do not enter into the region of true sports godliness. Neener.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    oO Erm... Taking a look at non-team sports such as boxing or Karate (which I practiced two times a week in a hall with broken windows for the better part of my youth until I moved and was surrounded by sucky clubs), you've got to have a <i>very</i> funny definition of 'rich'. I'd also like to mention the irony of somebody marrying in a Scottish castle (I'm still waiting for the pics) trash talking about rich people.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Baseball sounds like cricket the same way sex with an otter sounds like sex with Liz Hurley. Only the most passing resemblance.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I know. And fencing sounds like any form of Kumite the same way one of your arguments sounds like one of mine <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    It may not be exclusively for the rich, but it certainly is primarily favored by them. Non-team sports tend to be favored by the elitists. Sword fighting for sure. Do you disagree? My getting married somewhere is (here comes the big Nemesis-like finish <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> ) completely irrelevant to the discussion.

    As for MrMojo, what is your sport of choice, might I ask? I said nothing about luck. Hitting a baseball safely is the most difficult act in sports, period, which is why it happens so infrequently. Tell me how I am wrong.
  • MrMojoMrMojo Join Date: 2002-11-25 Member: 9882Members, Constellation
    I prefer tennis, and soccer. I didn't say baseball was luck, but calling it finesse, which is basically an opposite of luck is insulting the other sports.
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    I have insulted other sports at great length here. What makes you think I will stop with using 'finesse'. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->

    The opposite of finesse is not luck. It is ham-handed brutality and forcefulness. The dictionary is all our friend.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--MonsieurEvil+Oct 17 2003, 09:14 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (MonsieurEvil @ Oct 17 2003, 09:14 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> It may not be exclusively for the rich, but it certainly is primarily favored by them. Non-team sports tend to be favored by the elitists. Sword fighting for sure. Do you disagree? <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Actually, yes, I do. Maybe we're once again facing one of those 'US != EU' issues here, but of all the people I know who engage in non-team sports, few are rich, while pretty much all of the wealthy play the (horrible) team game soccer, or did so at some point in their life.
    Specifically talking about eastern martial arts, many of them are niché (and thus in a way elitist), but seldomly expensive enough to create any social elitism. A few Budo clubs in the bigger cities are actually renting out training swords for quite affordable prices, as the unemployed Kendoka I sometimes meet on LANs assured me.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> My getting married somewhere is (here comes the big Nemesis-like finish <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> ) completely irrelevant to the discussion.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Wait, we're in a discussion? Ooops, I thought we were just flinging anything remotely argument-shaped we could grab at each other. Excuse me while I change mental gears.
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    edited October 2003
    That may be the actual disconnect here. In the US, people that fence and play tennis and golf and such are typically upper-class at the lowest, and often just plain wealthy.

    I always thought soccer was the game of the poor and downtrodden? How did it suddenly become a wealthy man's sport (ignore that nitwit Beckham for a moment)? Pele used a sock stuffed with newspapers to practice his ball handling, for gosh sakes.
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    edited October 2003
    If you ask me tennis has some of the highest level of competetion out there, if you've ever watched a 3 and a half hour Wimbelton final you'll tend to agree. And when the player actually has a personality, like Agassi, it's a hellofalotta fun to watch.

    That being said I would have to say out of the 4 choices given I'd pick Hockey, just because I find baseball boring (sorry Monse) and there is no real hometown root in Soccer, the galaxy are alright and all I just can't root for them as a hometeam.



    I'm a diehard Kings fan, so I feel Monse's pain in being a Cubs fan so at least we have that in common. Nothing like watching your team make it to the Stanely cup finals only ONCE and then losing to a team that's won a bunch of times (the Canuks). And then having to lose to overglorified teams like the Crapalanch in the playoffs.


    edited to actually make sense.
  • Smoke_NovaSmoke_Nova Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8697Members
    Swordfighting is by no way elitist. It's just that rich Country Clubs are where you most often see fencing.

    My friend Robb has a Boken Katana, a 34" Shanai, wooden broadsword and 2 quarterstaffs. He trains his friend Matt and Kat how to fight with quarterstaff (Matt) and Shanai (Kat). He taught me the basics of attacking with a katana (I have a 38" shanai and 90cm boken Katana) I used to take Fencing, learned a lot of Saber fighting and some Foil. then I quit and learned the Asian weapons.

    When I get my own apartment...man, that wall is gonna be adorned with a lot of swords, blade staffs and bows.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    edited October 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I always thought soccer was the game of the poor and downtrodden? How did it suddenly become a wealthy man's sport (ignore that nitwit Beckham for a moment)? Pele used a sock stuffed with newspapers to practice his ball handling, for gosh sakes.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Welcome to Germany. I'll now digress into our boths favorite topic, history:

    Germany lost a lot of things after WW2, amongst them its national identity - it was cut in two, and both sides were thaught not to be at all like they were before. Thus, Germanies society suffered through a collective inferiority complex during the 50s - the people had seen their country rise to be one of the most powerful on Earth, and then fall and shatter.
    In this situation, the German national team won the world championship in 1954 against all odds and the overwhelmingly strong Hungarian team. This is widely considered the spark of the Western German identity: For once in nine years, 'we' were again somebody in the world.

    This has the effect that soccer is pretty much a national institution in Germany. Imagine the love Americans spread over baseball, football, basketball and hockey put into one, and you get the idea. Thus, it's impossible for many parents to imagine 'their boy' <i>not</i> playing soccer. Soccer is the sport of the established here.

    Individual sports hardly recieved any recognition before Boris Beckers victories in Wimbeldon, and apart from tennis and tracks and fields, they've still got a rather difficult stance.
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    edited October 2003
    Am I the only one here that fell out of his chair laughing when I saw the word 'Crapalanch'? XD

    I hear ya Dr.D. It's hard to take haww-keee seriously though when you live in North Carolina and the Hurricaines are the local team. For those that think I hate hockey, I was a season ticket holder with the Blackhawks. I just like irritating you all, as hockey fans are often wieners and canadians. Not all, but a lot of them.

    At least you had Gretsky, D.
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    edited October 2003
    I for one love the World's Strongest Man competetions. Hurl that piano on top of that building Ygervxhchyan! yah! : P


    Yah we'll always have Gretsky as a silver streak in this black black cloud....last season got me down sorry, although watching Detroit lose is always fun. Well Rob Zombie is a Kings fan and he's not a wiener.
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    edited October 2003
    Another hilariously bad sport dominated by scandanavians. Sled racing, ski jumping, figure skating - when will their crazy antics end?!?!
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    edited October 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--Nemesis Zero+Oct 17 2003, 05:41 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Nemesis Zero @ Oct 17 2003, 05:41 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Welcome to Germany. I'll now digress into our boths favorite topic, history:

    Germany lost a lot of things after WW2, amongst them its national identity - it was cut in two, and both sides were thaught not to be at all like they were before. Thus, Germanies society suffered through a collective inferiority complex during the 50s - the people had seen their country rise to be one of the most powerful on Earth, and then fall and shatter.
    In this situation, the German national team won the world championship in 1954 against all odds and the overwhelmingly strong Hungarian team. This is widely considered the spark of the Western German identity: For once in nine years, 'we' were again somebody in the world.

    This has the effect that soccer is pretty much a national institution in Germany. Imagine the love Americans spread over baseball, football, basketball and hockey put into one, and you get the idea. Thus, it's impossible for many parents to imagine 'their boy' <i>not</i> playing soccer. Soccer is the sport of the established here.

    Individual sports hardly recieved any recognition before Boris Beckers victories in Wimbeldon, and apart from tennis and tracks and fields, they've still a rather difficult stance. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    So that's where you went wrong. When we occupied Japan we taught them baseball and it became their most beloved national pasttime. If only we had done the same for the krauts... A lowdown shame.

    What does that have to do with being rich though? Soccer is the cheapest sport ever invented, except for maybe the Aztec-invented soccer roots, where you also got to save money by eating the opposing team when you were done.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    edited October 2003
    Maybe I should explain that money isn't so much the deciding factor for a choice of sports in many areas here as we've got very many public university clubs or other institutions that can access stately funds to reduce prices for sporting equipment. The question whether a sport is expensive or not does thus play a minor role.
    The question is where everyone goes - and in most cases, that's the local soccer club.
    It's not as though only rich kids played the game, but there's a certain level within the upper class where belonging to a soccer club and having your child score a few important goals is pretty much necessity.

    [edit]I should also point out once more that I hate soccer dearly. It's a stupid, stupid, <i>stupid</i> sport. The only time I care for it are the world championships, where I favor the English team to tick my friends off.[/edit]
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    edited October 2003
    By the way the highest paid athlete in the world is Michael Schumacher , an F-1 racecar driver.
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  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    edited October 2003
    The name is 'Schuhmacher' ("Shoemaker"). He just won the F-1 Grand Prix for the sixth time, thus making him the best driver ever in that league.
    Not that I'd be interested in this, but we got to hear it 24/7. Schuhmacher made motorsports popular here, and his retreat from the F-1 will be accompanied by a rapidly declining public interest in them.
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    edited October 2003
    Did anyone catch last year's final race when Schuhmacher and Maracelo (sp) came in at almost a dead heat, .1 seconds difference, mmm that was sweet.


    This is Ferrari's sixth constructor's cup too, proving that Ferrari owns and that Porsche needs to make an F-1 car : P
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Gah. I live in the land of auto-racing and I can think of nothing less interesting to watch. They are proof that someday, PC gaming will considered a true professional sport, as car racers wrote the book on moving your hands 3-inches for a living.
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    Come on you have to admit it takes a certain degree of talent to not kill yourself going 210 miles an hour.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    Actually, I was surprised to find out, but the G-stresses you are exposed to during racedriving constitute enough of a physical challenge to warrant the label 'athlete' for the driver. Doesn't make the sport less stupid, though.
  • MonsieurEvilMonsieurEvil Join Date: 2002-01-22 Member: 4Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    And the first mammal in space was a dog. Followed shortly by a monkey. Are they athletes too? They had a good 10-G load at peak... car racing is meh.
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    edited October 2003
    All the F-1 drivers are in shape, and if it was so easy to do there wouldn't be only about 15 skilled drivers in the world. Aside from Rally racing I couldn't think of something that takes more skill.



    ....maybe curling.
  • Smoke_NovaSmoke_Nova Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8697Members
    I just watch Daytona to watch the cars wipe out.
  • Nemesis_ZeroNemesis_Zero Old European Join Date: 2002-01-25 Member: 75Members, Retired Developer, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    edited October 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->And the first mammal in space was a dog. Followed shortly by a monkey. Are they athletes too? They had a good 10-G load at peak... car racing is meh. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    As far as I remember, they didn't have to steer a car with pinpoint accuracy during the process, but you can go on calling them lazy sods as far as I'm concerned - to me, they're in any case participating in the most decadent sport of our time.
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