How To Detect Cheaters
Hunty
Join Date: 2003-08-09 Member: 19244Members
Join Date: 2003-08-09 Member: 19244Members
<div class="IPBDescription">Particularly aimbotters</div> I read the rules and couldnt find any "no cheat-related topics allowed" rule in it.
Firstly,i do NOT want people posting how or asking how to get cheats.Also i am not asking for cheats as i already know where to get them(not like i use them...).
Okay lately ive been seeing people suddenly become terminators.
Its like,okay theres this guy,hes an average player,okay aim,uses teamwork,etc and 1 week later i see him and hes like OMG reducing an onos to half HP with a LMG the moment the onos appears round the corner with no MT and performing 180 degree turns to kill the fade behind him and the skulk infront of him with a LMG and pistol.
Ive been seing at least 5 of these cases.Some of the clanners are looking very strange.I mean okay they are clanners,they have been playing for a long time,but when i see 1 guy reducing a fade(me) to 50 hp the moment i round a corner and start to blink(but stop since my HP suddenly starts dissapearing) and i barely TURN THE CORNER with only 50 hp left(Regen) and marines dont even have level 2 weapons,im starting to get really really suspicious.
And ive seen this guys get owned by skulks(granted it was a ratio of 2 or 3 -1 odds) not too long ago.We can talk about on-form and off-form but when this behaviour is repeated all,or nearly all the time,you REALLY have to ask yourself if its possible to achieve such a huge improvement in such a short time.
And the eggs.Dont get me started on the eggs.You would be happily gesting in a lonely corner,FAR FAR away from any marine bases,outposts and your team is attacking the marine base repeatedly....and a marine appears out of nowhere to kill you.Now i find it very suspicious when this guy claims he heard me when his base is in bio,im fading outside marine start,up in a vent,and my team has fades,lerks and an onos attacking bio repeatedly with 10 turrets or so blasting away and all the LMG and occasional HMG gun fire.Oh and theres this time when this LMG marine,for NO reason at all(it wasnt like,as if a gorg was running away),suddenly hops the 4 OCs at furnace's entrance,rushes up(he didnt have to look for where i was) and kills me as i am onosing.
Incidents like this make you angry and suspicious.
At this point i would like to say that i do NOT believe in accusing,banning or kicking players just on mere suspicious acts.No,im going for hard proof.Which is where this thread comes in.
I have some basic idea of how cheaters look like.I need to know specific,in-NS things to look out for.Obviously cheaters arent going to continue using their 180 degree turns,instant lock on on targets hidden behind objects and speed-firing and bites when they see a spectator in the server.I mean please,thats basic common knowledge.You turn your aimbot's sensitivity down and you start to be more careful of your actions,occasionally deliberately walking into an ambush when you are wallhacking to try and confuse demo-takers.
Oh,and yes,it IS very easy for players to gain a community's trust,becoming a clanner/vet and then becoming increasingly lax with maintaining the pretense of realistically possible playing,completely safe in the knowledge that anyone suspecting them of cheating would be flamed by their clan and the rest of their community because the cheater has gained their trust and it is possible for him to be THAT good as he played THAT long.Trust me.I do know how easy it is to do it.
So okay,we will start.Anyone got ideas?
Firstly,i do NOT want people posting how or asking how to get cheats.Also i am not asking for cheats as i already know where to get them(not like i use them...).
Okay lately ive been seeing people suddenly become terminators.
Its like,okay theres this guy,hes an average player,okay aim,uses teamwork,etc and 1 week later i see him and hes like OMG reducing an onos to half HP with a LMG the moment the onos appears round the corner with no MT and performing 180 degree turns to kill the fade behind him and the skulk infront of him with a LMG and pistol.
Ive been seing at least 5 of these cases.Some of the clanners are looking very strange.I mean okay they are clanners,they have been playing for a long time,but when i see 1 guy reducing a fade(me) to 50 hp the moment i round a corner and start to blink(but stop since my HP suddenly starts dissapearing) and i barely TURN THE CORNER with only 50 hp left(Regen) and marines dont even have level 2 weapons,im starting to get really really suspicious.
And ive seen this guys get owned by skulks(granted it was a ratio of 2 or 3 -1 odds) not too long ago.We can talk about on-form and off-form but when this behaviour is repeated all,or nearly all the time,you REALLY have to ask yourself if its possible to achieve such a huge improvement in such a short time.
And the eggs.Dont get me started on the eggs.You would be happily gesting in a lonely corner,FAR FAR away from any marine bases,outposts and your team is attacking the marine base repeatedly....and a marine appears out of nowhere to kill you.Now i find it very suspicious when this guy claims he heard me when his base is in bio,im fading outside marine start,up in a vent,and my team has fades,lerks and an onos attacking bio repeatedly with 10 turrets or so blasting away and all the LMG and occasional HMG gun fire.Oh and theres this time when this LMG marine,for NO reason at all(it wasnt like,as if a gorg was running away),suddenly hops the 4 OCs at furnace's entrance,rushes up(he didnt have to look for where i was) and kills me as i am onosing.
Incidents like this make you angry and suspicious.
At this point i would like to say that i do NOT believe in accusing,banning or kicking players just on mere suspicious acts.No,im going for hard proof.Which is where this thread comes in.
I have some basic idea of how cheaters look like.I need to know specific,in-NS things to look out for.Obviously cheaters arent going to continue using their 180 degree turns,instant lock on on targets hidden behind objects and speed-firing and bites when they see a spectator in the server.I mean please,thats basic common knowledge.You turn your aimbot's sensitivity down and you start to be more careful of your actions,occasionally deliberately walking into an ambush when you are wallhacking to try and confuse demo-takers.
Oh,and yes,it IS very easy for players to gain a community's trust,becoming a clanner/vet and then becoming increasingly lax with maintaining the pretense of realistically possible playing,completely safe in the knowledge that anyone suspecting them of cheating would be flamed by their clan and the rest of their community because the cheater has gained their trust and it is possible for him to be THAT good as he played THAT long.Trust me.I do know how easy it is to do it.
So okay,we will start.Anyone got ideas?
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<b>RO CheatChaser:</b> "Are you cheating?"
<b>Gem:</b> "huh? nuh-uh, cheating's lame"
<b>RO CheatChaser:</b> "AH-HA!!! THATS EXACTLY WHAT A CHEAT WOULD SAY!!! I'M REPORTING YOU AND YOU'LL GET BANNED!!!"
<b>Gem:</b> "..."
I wish I was kidding <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
you cant really detect them. All you can do is accuse. Best to not bring that here.
Look at EXIBIT #A:
<img src='http://pie.keene.edu/students/rfall/cheat.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image'>
<span style='color:blue'>1) my bullet spread totally non haxor at what? 30ft - 40 ft?</span>
<span style='color:red'>2) 3 clanner AIMHACKERS' spread with LMG from 2x the distance BEHIND ME.</span>
<span style='color:yellow'>3) 2 other players compare their pistol spread to the aimhackers' LMG spread at same distance (about 80 ft from the wall)</span>
NOTE: the aimahackers admitted to hacking. THEY WERE hacking , no arguements there. And I wont give out the name of the clan who was hacking and Im NOT in that clan. This picture is for reference only. Personnaly , I feel that hacking is commen amongst Clanners, although alot of good clans are uber legit too. Hacking is just starting to become a really bad trend.
In the large group that is human beings, some hack. Stop putting the clan distinction on it.
Look at EXIBIT #A:
<span style='color:blue'>1) my bullet spread totally non haxor at what? 30ft - 40 ft?</span>
<span style='color:red'>2) 3 clanner AIMHACKERS' spread with LMG from 2x the distance BEHIND ME.</span>
<span style='color:yellow'>3) 2 other players compare their pistol spread to the aimhackers' LMG spread at same distance (about 80 ft from the wall)</span>
NOTE: the aimahackers admitted to hacking. THEY WERE hacking , no arguements there. And I wont give out the name of the clan who was hacking and Im NOT in that clan. This picture is for reference only. Personnaly , I feel that hacking is commen amongst Clanners, although alot of good clans are uber legit too. Hacking is just starting to become a really bad trend. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't know if it's possible to reduce spread...
That's weird... I was thinking NS was impervious to no-spread.
It's easiest to see with lerks TBH as they tend to in-humanly pivot around their target whilst spiking.
NOTE compare my 40% for clans cheating to valve's 47% for HL in general that they posted on valvesoftware.com within about a year ago. I dont know if you guys rememeber , bu there was this huge argument over why Valve was developing VAC... because they found out 47% of players were cheating.
Ive said this before: Im not angry or bitter, and I know the difference between skill and "Hax".
aimbotting is a way of making your gun "stick" to the enemy" it doesn't affect your gun if there are no enemies in whatever range the hack uses. However I do believe there is a way to remove the coded "cone of fire" that your guns have. This would make every bullet hit exactly in the middle of your crosshairs at any distance. This would make you just as acurate at 100 ft as you are at point blank but you would still need to be able to aim yourself. If you combined this and and aimbot i'd imagine you'd be pretty freakin obvious.
go to <a href='http://www.counter-hack.net/' target='_blank'>http://www.counter-hack.net/</a> to get technical explanations. Its an <b>ANTI</b> hacking site
Seriously, you guys.
I actually meant to suggest that I felt that clanners cheat less than the avergage user, hence 40% < 47%. Maybe I wasnt clear or something. sometimes I feel like english inst my first language <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> .
<3 not h8
If I suspect someone's cheating, I leave the server. I won't give him satisfaction and I have plenty of other servers to go to.
Don't waste time accu sing, in the past 5 years I've heard this same argument over and over:
One "You cheat!"
Two "Do not."
Three "You just suck."
One "No way, I saw him twist 1708032 degrees to shoot me in the head."
Two "Learn to dodge."
Three "Ha ha Nub."
One "It's @#$@ like you who ruin the game. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah"
Accusations are almost as annoying and ungratifying as dealing with actual cheaters.
Of course, there is the 1% that are completely obvious... I remember one time in vanilla HL. I joined an almost-empty server. The level was just this huuuge square cube, with block platforms dotted through and low gravity, a fun map. When I first came in the only other guy, who it turned out was the server owner, was just stood facing a wall. I ignored him at first, assuming he was typing something, (believe it or not, there are still players out who uphold some of the honour code,) and went to get some weaponry.
I came back, he was still there. Fair enough; there was only me and Mr Inactive, might as well shoot the guy. I shot a rocket into him, he didn't move. Shot another one and, surprise surprise, he died.
The moment he respawned, things changed. Firstly, he accused me of being a cheater. Huh? Then, he got a headshot on me with the bow-gun. Fair enough.
But then, there was another... and another. I'd respawn, and almost instantly, bam, dead. Remember, this is a huge cube, and I was respawning all over... he would've had to take a little while just to see me, let alone aim across the level while I'm moving.
Amusingly, that still wasn't enough. Sometimes I'd respawn behind some blocks, or maybe he just wasn't paying attention, but I still managed to get some kills on him. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> Not having teh "elite" 5K1775 is one thing, but getting killed when you're an aim-botting head-shooting server admin is another.
He eventually kicked me after I pointed out the irony of this too him. Guess he was a sore loser. Or maybe he wasn't sore, I dunno.
Here's all the hacks/Cheats I know of:
- Interp
- No glare animation to your LMG/HMG's
- Aim Corrector (only makes a % of your bullets automatically hit)
- Aim Bot
- Wallhack (very common)
- So many ways to abuse config.cfg
- Speedhacks (very obvious when a skulk kills a heavy armor in 2 seconds)
Next, saying clanners don't hack is both niave and stupid. Some people will do anything to win.
Solution: Get cheating-death on every server. This is the best anti-hack program out there no matter if you believe it works or not. You see the problem is we have a lot of people that can't tell a cheater from a legit-kickasser. Then they get on and see the people they think is cheating and just automaticly say they cheat and C-D doesn't protect from hacks. Ignore these people please.
...but cheating death...I mean they actually go after all the cheating sites out there and just fix the hacks one by one as they constantly update C-D. I don't even play NS unless it's on a cheating death server...or a server where I know people don't cheat.
And please do not say clanners hack. That's insulting to me, but I would also support all C-D protected clan matches.
If someone is botting, their aim is immaculate. I consider myself a good marine, and I've seen people at my level be accused because people don't know who they are, but a bot would be twice as good as me.
To date I've accused/banned one person for aim botting and I'm confident even while reading this that he was doing it. I'm not going to name names and its entirely in the past as far as I'm concerned.
Have I suspected people? sure, I'd like to think its human for me to be in denial of someone beating me with just his own skill. But I also keep in mind that I'm sure people would suspect say, shampoo, or even myself if they didnt know who I was or who he was.
Theres two types of cheaters. The despicable ones that use cheats/hacks and try to pass it off as their own skill, and those who did it merely to grief. I have sympathy for the ones that do it to grief. They may not be mature but they aren't deceitful or liars about it. It's the people who can sit there and live a lie that get to me.
Hell...I've played half-life ever since it came out. A few years ago I started cheating in counter-strike to grief. In the end I was just looking for some laughs...then it got old and here I am playing legit.
1. Are good
2. Have luck
3. Acctually hear the aliens coming... you know they make a slimy sound right?
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Also, get more info about cheats, I have... (Yes I admit, MetaCheat in LAN <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> but that was offline and CS so <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->)
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