Pugs: Ns At It's Best :-)

JaneJane Seriously!? Join Date: 2003-07-01 Member: 17835Members, Constellation
edited October 2003 in NS General Discussion
<div class="IPBDescription">I just had to share this with people</div> Ok, if you know anything about me you know that I play NS way too much, but what can I say, I am so hopelessly addicted. NS is so much fun, and it seems with every new aspect of it, the enjoyment increases. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo--> I just had to share my new found love for NS, go ahead and call me a nub for just now finding out about PUGs, but I've been pubbing for a year, and just found this. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

Ok obviously not everyone is going to agree with me, but still, my new thing for NS is playing PUGs, and it rocks! A PUG is a pick up game, and they are run just like scrims would be for clans, but normally you just have a group of 6 random people who want to play, versus another random group of 6 people who want to play. Friday night we put together a team of 6 and found a clan to play, and in less then an hour jumped into our first PUG as ??pug:name.?? ?? It was awesome, after a few minutes preparation we had a strat figured out, and roles were given. We??ve been playing non stop since that first game, and our 6 person team has become much more then that. We??ve played vet clans, lots of other different levels of CAL clans, a LAN party of friends who really didn??t have their act together (or so says my friend who was their ringer), and even another PUG team. It??s great fun, win or loose, the people are nice, and the games are good. It??s also a neat way to get a feel for what different clans are like, you can tell a little about their attitude from playing them which is cool since I??m still kind of looking for a clan to join. Now that I??ve been playing PUG games though, I don??t know if it would even be worth it to join a clan, these guys I play with are far more skilled and dedicated then any clan I could get into, and I get to play in every match that I want to basically, which wouldn??t be the case if I was in a clan. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->

All in all, I guess I can??t say this is the best part of NS because I obviously haven??t experienced everything about NS, but I have experienced many different aspects of NS, and in my humble opinion playing PUGs is better then it all. I think it is more fun then being an admin, having reserved seats on a lot of awesome servers so you can play there whenever you want to, being in a ??fun?? clan, being in a ??I practice a lot clan?? (I got a feel for what this was like, but wasn??t a full member), or pubbing regardless of whether or not it??s a server of really good friends, really talented players, or anyone.

<u><b>SUMMARY:</b></u>

1. For experienced clan players who want to play in pugs (we expect you to be good with ff on and all that jazz, we play top clans, so new players are not quite as welcome here normally, sorry) then join -> #pugx
2. If you are a clan of any skill level or a pug team of any skill level and are looking for a team to play then then goto -> #pugx
3. For anyone who played in our pug team inquire within #wage if you would like to "try out" for the clan we made, we're registered for CAL, and we hope to be ready to play for this coming Saturday. A few more of our guys need to register but we have 6-7.
(http://www.caleague.com/?page=teaminfo&div=natsl&id=542)
4. We had a channel for people who wanted to get into pug/ clan play that might not be very experienced with ff on etc., but when we got enough to scrim it was basically pub v. pub with tourney mode on, so we're giving that up, sorry.
5. For information about how to get into clan play, or for information about Panda training sessions which will help for clan or pug play then goto -> #findnsclan
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  • TyrNemesisTyrNemesis trigger_CUT&#33; Join Date: 2003-09-17 Member: 20942Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor, Constellation
    <3 Jane <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->

    You have to invite me to a PUG sometime. I live in LM, but I'd love to have an actual cohesive team once in a while.
  • porttikiviporttikivi Join Date: 2002-11-23 Member: 9723Members
    I am not a newbie in terms of NS interest and calendar time and number of occasional playing sessions, but I am newbie in play-hours time. A work-stressed family father like me with a gaming-hostile wife can't find time for multiple hour playing session more than perhaps once a month. And I have a also a couple of unfinished PC game classics on my hard disk, not only NS. (Max Payne almost finished, Battlezone in mid-game, a couple of others started but not sure to be finished ever, Deus Ex and Edge of Chaos waiting for me to sort some bug in my NVidia Geforce 256 / Win98 setup...)

    So, my question: what is the best way to find enthusiastic less-than-virtuous but serious minded NS teams to play with? Public servers are ok for me (I pick the one with the least ping usually), but I miss a stonger feeling of connection with a team...
  • n4s7yn4s7y Join Date: 2003-04-18 Member: 15627Members
    < I'm jealous of koolio because he just so happened to be there at the right time to be on the team :\. >

    The best way to find some people to play with is to get to know the peeps in #findnsclan #findnsscrim or #findnspug. join a clan or something. Anyways it's f-ing amazing how you guys have managed to beat (as in 2-0) some pretty decent clans and tie some the better ones. Good choice of players <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->.
  • JaneJane Seriously&#33;? Join Date: 2003-07-01 Member: 17835Members, Constellation
    edited October 2003
    *glad you asked*

    See my main problem with NS was my frustration in the lack of teamwork (all I did was play on pubs). I mean yeah, when you're on a public server and you command a bunch of noobies to victory, by brutal force, dumbluck, or whatever, it's an awesome feeling, but how often does that happen? <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo--> I love the fact that anytime of day I enter the channel and say hey who's here, do we have 6 that want to game? We somehow almost always have 5-7 people on and ready to play, so we'll either pick up a ringer, have just enough, or have one spectate for half a match (either aliens or marines). If you do irc you can idle at #findnsringer, or #findnspug to try to get into a game. My suggestion to you would be try to be more familiar with ff being on before you play a PUG. Our awesome pug team played a pug team that was put togther on the find a ringer channel, and um yeah they had a lot of team kills. <!--emo&:0--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wow.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wow.gif'><!--endemo--> Try playing on the Covertoral server ( 24.242.213.105:27015), they'll turn on tourney mode (with ff on) whenever people want it on, or when there are a lot of [CO] people on, or you can play on the FFT server (66.98.136.44:27015), they have ff/ tourney mode on all the time.

    P.S. Thanks Nasty, but they were just scrims after all.
  • NecrosisNecrosis The Loquacious Sage Join Date: 2003-08-03 Member: 18828Members, Constellation
    So THATS why you're not on Lunixmonster anymore...
  • LastLast Join Date: 2003-10-06 Member: 21463Members
    Scrimming's not as enjoyable a experience when you're playing with a team who's out to prove that they're better then one another, have another guy who's never been to a single practice and yet thinks he's our clan "alien hive mind" or something... ugh.

    That's pretty much what Animosity scrims are like <!--emo&:(--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/sad.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='sad.gif'><!--endemo-->.
  • GeronimoGeronimo Join Date: 2002-12-18 Member: 11056Members
    in eurpoe we have something called gathers, where people sign in in the gatherchannel(IRC - quakenet). 6v6 games with mainly veteranplayers, just not tournymodes or clanVclan games...

    Really helps alot of new players into the clanworld without wasting months in many of the newbieclans...
  • XzilenXzilen Join Date: 2002-12-30 Member: 11642Members, Constellation
    Yes, USUALLY pugs turn out all right, its been a while since I've done one though.
  • JaneJane Seriously&#33;? Join Date: 2003-07-01 Member: 17835Members, Constellation
    Yeah, I don't know how I was so lucky to stumble upon this, but what we have is a little better then your average PUG team, so <b>usually all right</b> is not the way I would describe it. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> We have a group of really skilled players, and the crazy thing is not only are they good, but they listen, and we work well as a team even though we're still just getting to know each other. We've had a lot of neat ringers from time to time too, which is cool because it's not everyday I have a panda playing on my team in a slightly more competitive environment like our PUGs, or members of dn' and other skilled clans, so that's neat too. We never know who we'll have playing with us, it's variable and keeps things interesting. I can understand your point Last about playing not being as fun when people are trying to prove they are better then each other, but the neat thing about our team is that is not happening. Most of the time in big (as in large) clans there's the jelousy factor when the real matches come around and only half the team can play, but we seem to have a good number of people around (knocks on wood), and that doesn't really seem to be an issue yet, so yay. If you have a PUG team, or a clan that wants to play us our channel is #pugx, so just let us know when you want to play, and we'll put togther a team. Happy gaming everyone.
  • kavasakavasa Join Date: 2003-01-05 Member: 11889Members, Constellation
    <a href='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=1&t=49582&st=0' target='_blank'>OMSG!</a>
  • JaneJane Seriously&#33;? Join Date: 2003-07-01 Member: 17835Members, Constellation
    Um yeah that other thing sounds cool but they're just trying to make a group of PUGs that can play each other basically, and I like that we play clans, it gets our name out more anyway. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • kuperayekuperaye Join Date: 2003-03-14 Member: 14519Members, Constellation
    yea i dont know if jane has mention this but so far the record is like 9-2-2 i think with defeats of #cri. and defeats of cX and a tie of exigent



    so thats their/our record so far
  • SirusSirus Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8466Members, NS1 Playtester, Constellation
    You play too much Jane !!!
  • LastLast Join Date: 2003-10-06 Member: 21463Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Sirus+Oct 6 2003, 06:11 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Sirus @ Oct 6 2003, 06:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You play too much Jane !!!<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    There is, NO such thing.

    <span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>I like how you say "our" record blunt</span>
  • JaneJane Seriously&#33;? Join Date: 2003-07-01 Member: 17835Members, Constellation
    edited October 2003
    I agree there is no such thing as too much NS, Sirus what are you thinking? Sirus, you should join us in our pugging, you seem way to busy to be in a real clan anyway. <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo--> Oh, and kuperaye, I'm guessing you weren't around the night we played TMM and GoM <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo--> a few times each. We still have a nice record, but we have been mostly playing some really nice teams, so we've picked up a good amount of losses now. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> Just the fact that we are still able to hold our own against some nice clans, maybe not HAM level, but still some very tallented clans, is cool imo. Let the good times roll.

    P.S. (kupe) I just saw your player name, sorry blunt.
  • kuperayekuperaye Join Date: 2003-03-14 Member: 14519Members, Constellation
    i was i played for tmm once and i played for you once <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • KenichiKenichi This is not a pie. Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2941Members, NS1 Playtester
    It's nice to see people discovering the amazing feeling that is NS when played with teamwork. It truly is as if its another game. Pugs are as close to clan play as you can get without actually being in a clan. You can get some seriously amazing games from pugs. there is nothing quite like an epic battle of teams that are fairly evenly matched.
  • TUNA_AnomayTUNA_Anomay Join Date: 2003-09-19 Member: 21005Members
    OMG Jane... I've never even considered PUGging before...maybe I'll make the server for PUG use... <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • JaneJane Seriously&#33;? Join Date: 2003-07-01 Member: 17835Members, Constellation
    I guess 2.0 seems to be more about teamwork which rocks, but it left pubbing to be much less fun then it used to be, at least for me anyway. I knew marines had the potential to win more often because when you have 7 guys running around where you tell them to go it's devistating to the aliens, and I had seen it be done before when we played with almost all regulars on the server, but that didn't happen often. Even if they had a decent alien team, if the marines worked hard enough and stuck to it they could win quite often (Hamptons is a good example of this, but those rine victories also have a lot to do with hording res which is happening less now), but on the server I was on before we rarely got to play games in which we could have a team of good marines due to too many rambos. <!--emo&???--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/confused.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='confused.gif'><!--endemo-->

    I figured clan life was for me because I longed for teamwork, this works too, and it's less political. Working as a team to accomplish a goal, whether it be playing your best, trying for a win, or hoping for a tie, it makes NS about a million times more fun. So yeah Kenichi, I was very happy to have discorved this, and I wanted to share this with other people so that they might see the beauty that is teamwork on a more frequent basis. <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • KenichiKenichi This is not a pie. Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 2941Members, NS1 Playtester
    More power to you jane. Spread the love.
  • fo_sheezy_my_neezyfo_sheezy_my_neezy Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10768Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Jane+Oct 6 2003, 12:41 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jane @ Oct 6 2003, 12:41 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> We¡¦ve played vet clans, lots of other different levels of CAL clans, a LAN party of friends who really didn¡¦t have their act together (or so says my friend who was their ringer), and even another PUG team. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    OMG, JANE CONSIDERS ME A FRIEND <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.natural-selection.org/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> . Seriously, their pug is awesome. It seems whenever I'm on and wanting to play, they have their 6 though. Damn you school/work schedule, DAMN YOU
  • Roger_DodgerRoger_Dodger Join Date: 2003-03-11 Member: 14392Members
    OMG this is just the answer to my problems, I like pubs but i really want the teamwork of clans and to play with ppl just as interested.

    The problem is I was picked up by 3 ns clans and 2 died and 1 went casual pubbing. I wanna get into a top clan but i need to learn a bit more in the way of tactics and real teamplay i think perhaps this would be the way to go about it.

    Now all i need to do is cure my current broadband drought and i'll be cool.

    - RD
  • HAMBoneHAMBone Probably the best Commander Join Date: 2003-04-02 Member: 15139Members, NS1 Playtester, Contributor
    Yeah you guys are very good. Almost got our hive down with a well organized shotgun rush. The only thing i'd suggest is that you probably shouldn't talk about your scrim score or beating people in scrims. In europe they take their scrims pretty seriously but over here they dont mean much and are kinda just practice. The clans you played could've been using ringers, they might've been trying new strategies, they might've been messing around, its taboo to talk about scrims =\ You dont want to alienate people.
  • JaneJane Seriously&#33;? Join Date: 2003-07-01 Member: 17835Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--n4s7y+Oct 6 2003, 04:22 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (n4s7y @ Oct 6 2003, 04:22 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Anyways it's f-ing amazing how you guys have managed to beat (as in 2-0) some pretty decent clans and tie some the better ones. Good choice of players <!--emo&:D--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/biggrin.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='biggrin.gif'><!--endemo-->.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    <!--QuoteBegin--Jane+Oct 6 2003, 04:34 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Jane @ Oct 6 2003, 04:34 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->P.S.  Thanks Nasty, but they were just scrims after all.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    We know scrims are just scrims. . . and we don't really brag about wins because if you think about it "hey isn't it neat that we beat exigent," I mean what a victory you would think, but we had like two exigent players on our team, and two dn' players on our team, and two other really awesome players that normally play on our pug team (I sadly wasn't there because of clan pratice and a scrim with a clan I was looking into), but I mean we can pull severe ammounts of tallent for different levels of clans we are playing, if the time is right and we so desire. We stopped keeping track of our "record" because we do realize they are just scrims. I mean we don't use our best guys everytime we normally just use any six that are on, and sometimes we try wierd strats too, so we know that scrims are scrims. So if you see us excited over a match or a victory it's normally the short lived, Yay we won stuff.
  • Crazy_MonkeyCrazy_Monkey Join Date: 2002-11-13 Member: 8453Members
    Jane said to not say 'bump', so I'll say:

    *BOUNCE*
  • LastLast Join Date: 2003-10-06 Member: 21463Members
    ill help w/ the leet bumpage.

    anyways, I got to play w/ the pug team for the first time today. I don't know if they always have such great games, but damn did I ever have fun. First game marines did a JP rush while holding 4 or so rts, rushed, and won the game. Second game, on marines we did practically the same thing but aliens were more prepared for it. The game went back and forth for an entire 45 minutes, hives went up and down, rts got destroyed and then put back up, but eventually the marines w/ their leet jetpacking skills managed to completely destroy the alien economy, actually WINNING the war of attrition (through jetpacks of course). Eventually we took down furnace hive and then ventilation hive just as the game was ending at the 45 minute mark.

    GG.
  • KoolioKoolio Join Date: 2003-09-22 Member: 21123Banned
  • LastLast Join Date: 2003-10-06 Member: 21463Members
    tell em about the fades koolio tell em!
  • Fade_DunawayFade_Dunaway Join Date: 2003-05-12 Member: 16235Members
    I know exactly what you mean Jane. I play in BF1942 clans and PUGs are great fun....the relaxed atmosphere of a pub, with the teamwork and skill seen in clan games. The best of both worlds <!--emo&:)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/smile.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='smile.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • fo_sheezy_my_neezyfo_sheezy_my_neezy Join Date: 2002-12-14 Member: 10768Members, Constellation
    well, I remember the times when I'd be on a pub server, and all hope would seem lost, and we had no clue what to do. All of the sudden, a vet joins the game, joins our team, and organizes things a little bit, and we end up winning. I've been pugging with Jane and her crew for a little while now (and scrimming a little with my clan), and when I went and pubbed this morning, I felt like one of those vets. I'm not bragging or anything, but I was surprised how much the competitive play helped me realize just how things work in the game. The team I joined had given up basically, resigned themselves to loosing. I got on, noticed the impromptu leaders of the team, organized a bit, and we won dominantly. It's not that I'm good or anything, it's just taking the pug to the pub made it more fun all around.
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