The Meaning Of Life

relsanrelsan Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3720Members, Constellation
<div class="IPBDescription">good, evil and survival</div> I was a Christian and I always had questions, like if I'm being good, I'm I doing it because I'm really a good person? Or am I really a bad person being good because I'm afraid of going to hell?

Sometimes I don't want to be good but I'm good because it's the right thing to do. Is that right? Or am I really bad, evil? I could go my whole life like this being good, while secretly being evil in my mind, doing what society and religion asked of me while secretly having evil desires. Would I still be able to go to heaven?

It is possible this situation could happen to me. What about those catholic priests that were good by all outward appearances for decades and then they started molesting children? They didn't make it, they did something bad at the very end. If they had not molested those children would they have still been able to make it into heaven with evil thoughts? We all have evil thoughts... What about us?

Do we have to ask forgiveness for every single evil thought or can we just shotgun blast forgiveness prayers out to God everyday "Oh forgive me for my sins today, Lord" or how about just every week? Every month? The first day of the first month of the year? Oh no, what if I miss one?! What if I do something evil and DIE before I can ask forgiveness?! I'm screwed! Maybe St. Peter will accept my apology when I get there... if I get there...

And what about babies that die before they can read the bible and accept Jesus Christ as their saviour?! Do they go to hell? Limbo? Heaven? And what about the mass of people suffering on this planet that accept Jesus but get tortured and slain everyday regardless of what they believe? Why was I spared such a fate? Why am I so lucky? But how come people get born into rich families and have money and cars and yachts and estates? Why am I so unlucky?

What is heaven like?

Can I be all powerful? No, that would be prideful...

Can I eat whatever I want? No, that would be gluttonous...

Can I have everything I want? No, that would be greedy...

Can I at least have what everyone else has in heaven so I'm not left out? No, that would be envious...

Can I have all the sex I want whenever and however I want? No, that would be lust ful...

Do I have to do anything in heaven? Can I just rest? No, that would be slothful...

If I can't do any of this in heaven, then I'm going to be pretty frustrated I think. Bad idea... anger is one of the seven deadly sins, as is pride, gluttony, greed, envy, lust, and sloth.

Suddenly heaven doesn't sound very nice. At least not to me. Maybe I'm not heaven material. Maybe I'm meant to be in hell...


sigh...


Do you see how your mind tortures you? It's an instrument just like anything else made of this world. Your arms, your stomach, your hair, your brain. They are all there for the purpose for survival. Survival is the only real rule on the planet Earth.

So what are you left with? Your spirit, which is not of this world. No, it is much more. It is God.

You cannot understand God because you cannot use your mind to know him. Your spirit is mindless; your spirit knows God. Your spirit is <i>mindless</i> and it experiences only LOVE. Do you see?

What is love? Love is the complete absence of want. Want, the need to control things, people, and situations. The need to have power. Your mind contains want because it is of this Earth and it's rule is survival. Do you see?

Good is only a concept of your mind, a judgement. Evil is only a concept of your mind, a judgement. All creatures on this planet go through their motions. They live, they exist, and they die, nothing more. Life is simply an experience.

Your mind is fear-beased because its main rule is survival. So of course it would ask a question like "Why doesn't God save me from suffering?" But your spirit knows that everything is as it should be.

Is God all powerful? Yes. "Why does he not save me when I suffer?", your mind asks. Because you are here to experience life, ALL OF IT. God would not be all powerful if he saved his children from suffering. Such a thing would require a mind based in survival and that is beneath God. God is more than any mind, a brain, a simple physical-based tool.

God gave Adam and Eve the Garden of Eden. Adam and Eve lived within their spirits and experienced only love. Adam and Eve bit the apple and their fear-based minds were awakened with knowledge of the Earth, the main rule of Earth, survival. It was then that they experienced fear. That story is conceptual, not real but true. Do you see?

If you could experience life and except everything the way it is without judgement you could take your first step to experiencing love. As an exercise, try to clear your mind and have no thoughts for as long as you can. Know love.
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  • AllUrHiveRblong2usAllUrHiveRblong2us By Your Powers Combined... Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11244Members
    With a little rythm and meter that strikes me as a very good poem, but you are way off on your concept of what love is.
    Love is not the abscence of need and want, love is what you feel when you want something more than anything else in the world. Love is what you experience when you're seperated from that which makes you happy. Love makes you yearn after that which you love. Love eats you up until you can fill your senses with what you desire, until you can be happy.
  • relsanrelsan Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3720Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--AllUrHiveRBelong2Us+Sep 28 2003, 04:26 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (AllUrHiveRBelong2Us @ Sep 28 2003, 04:26 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> With a little rythm and meter that strikes me as a very good poem, but you are way off on your concept of what love is.
    Love is not the abscence of need and want, love is what you feel when you want something more than anything else in the world. Love is what you experience when you're seperated from that which makes you happy. Love makes you yearn after that which you love. Love eats you up until you can fill your senses with what you desire, until you can be happy. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Love is accepting what you have, not wanting or needing to change it but treasuring it simply for what it is and being happy with that. That's why people say mothers have unconditional love. They don't need their kid to be the be the best kid in the world. They would love that child regardless of what they do. Unconditional love is real love. You are talking about desire which is different. Desire is not love.
  • AllUrHiveRblong2usAllUrHiveRblong2us By Your Powers Combined... Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11244Members
    No, desire is not love, but Love is often the cause for desire. There is a difference between the love of a Mother for a child and any other kind of love. Motherly love simply wants what is best for the child, it is a very selfless thing, but it still wants. It wants happiness and contentment for the child.

    If you love someone then you will want to be with them, being around them will make you happy, seeing them happy will make you happy. If you can't be around what you love, if you aren't free to express your love then you will be miserable. That is the nature of the emotion.
  • PalmaneenPalmaneen Join Date: 2003-01-02 Member: 11727Members
    Go <a href='http://www.satanism101.com/' target='_blank'>here</a> and press on "essentials". I don't think you'll have to read much before you'll want to rethink about a few things. <!--emo&:p--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/tounge.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='tounge.gif'><!--endemo-->
  • AllUrHiveRblong2usAllUrHiveRblong2us By Your Powers Combined... Join Date: 2002-12-20 Member: 11244Members
    Satanism is bunk. It's all bunk. Satanism is basically trying to rebel against the christian normality, but that blind rebellion leads people down teh exact same road, that of blind conformity, a perverse set of morals, and a beliefe in a contradictory and frankly stupid system of magic and gods. Christianity orders us to ignore the self and focus only on God, Stanism orders us to focus only on the self. What they all seem to forget is that there are other people in this world. People you will have to get along with, and religion does not help that. It's all a crutch people, it's all just taking someone elses ideas and letting them replace your own.

    Why can't people just live their lives and be nice to other people?
  • relsanrelsan Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3720Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->No, desire is not love, but Love is often the cause for desire. There is a difference between the love of a Mother for a child and any other kind of love.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Fear is the cause of desire. Desire is intense need or want. Your spirit does not need anything of this Earth, and when you die your spirit will continue on without the things you have acquired on this earth i.e. conceptual relationships and physical objects.

    The unconditional love that mothers have for their children is not confined to just that particular relationship. It is not that there are different kinds of love but rather that there are different feelings and emotions that the physical mind experiences. These are sometimes confused and thought of as different types of love, but actually there is only true love.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Motherly love simply wants what is best for the child, it is a very selfless thing, but it still wants. It wants happiness and contentment for the child.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    A mother wants their child to survive. That is the nature of the mother child relationship on Earth i.e. survival. All mothers of all species of creature on this planet share this trait. But that is not love, that is fear. It is the product of a physical mind that maintains a need for survival whether that be self survival or the survival of offspring.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you love someone then you will want to be with them, being around them will make you happy, seeing them happy will make you happy. If you can't be around what you love, if you aren't free to express your love then you will be miserable. That is the nature of the emotion.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Emotion is not love. The affection you feel is the power you gain from someone accepting you. This feeling gives you power and control and quenches your fear of survival. That's why you feel miserable when you are rejected. Your fear of survival kicks in. It is not that you necessarily believe that you will die, that would be an extreme. But on a subtle level, your fear of survival has been triggered when you are rejected.
  • KherasKheras Join Date: 2002-11-09 Member: 7869Members
    Satanism can be expressed in four words: "Do as you will"
  • relsanrelsan Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3720Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Kheras+Sep 28 2003, 06:53 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Kheras @ Sep 28 2003, 06:53 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Satanism can be expressed in four words: "Do as you will" <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    More like do as you want. Want is a product of the physical mind.
  • BogglesteinskyBogglesteinsky Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11488Members
    Do as you will and do as you want are exactly the same thing. you are just being picky.
  • CrouchingHamsterCrouchingHamster Join Date: 2002-08-17 Member: 1181Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--relsan+Sep 28 2003, 06:39 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (relsan @ Sep 28 2003, 06:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Fear is the cause of desire. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I disagree , please explain.

    I'd suggest desire ( I assume we are talking physical, as opposed to material here btw..) is caused by a combination of

    a) Biology
    b) Personal tastes.

    I really don't see how "fear" comes into the equation at all...?
  • kidakida Join Date: 2003-02-20 Member: 13778Members
    Love is patient,
    love is kind.
    It does not envy,
    It does not boast,
    It is not proud.
    It is not rude,
    It is not self-seeking,
    It is not easily angered,
    It keeps no record of wrongs.

    Love does not delight in evil
    but rejoices with the truth.
    It always protects,
    always trusts,
    always hopes,
    always perseveres.
    Love never fails.



    1 Corinthians 13:4-8
  • ElderwyrmElderwyrm Join Date: 2003-04-07 Member: 15296Members
    Silly Nubs. HL2 is the meaning of life.
  • CrouchingHamsterCrouchingHamster Join Date: 2002-08-17 Member: 1181Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--Elderwyrm+Sep 28 2003, 10:33 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Elderwyrm @ Sep 28 2003, 10:33 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Silly Nubs. HL2 is the meaning of life. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    No silly, that's just a computer game.. <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo-->

    Life has better graphics and a far more convincing physics engine.
  • relsanrelsan Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3720Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Do as you will and do as you want are exactly the same thing. you are just being picky.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Will is also the product of the physical mind. In either case, the point is the same.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Fear is the cause of desire. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->I disagree , please explain.

    I'd suggest desire ( I assume we are talking physical, as opposed to material here btw..) is caused by a combination of

    a) Biology
    b) Personal tastes.

    I really don't see how "fear" comes into the equation at all...? <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    If you desire something, it is because you feel that you do not have it and think you need it. It is fear that generates this desire; the fear of not getting what you want and think you need.

    Once you get this thing, you will desire to keep it. It is fear that generates this desire; the fear of losing what you have and think you need.

    Truthfully, you have everything you need in life, and when you die all the things you have acquired in life will fall away.
  • CrouchingHamsterCrouchingHamster Join Date: 2002-08-17 Member: 1181Members
    edited September 2003
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> If you desire something, it is because you feel that you do not have it and think you need it. It is fear that generates this desire; the fear of not getting what you want and think you need. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    I am fully aware on every level that I do not require anything beyond basic food/water/shelter, this does not stop me wanting it, or at least contemplating how it might be fun to have it..

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Once you get this thing, you will desire to keep it. It is fear that generates this desire; the fear of losing what you have and think you need. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    If I desire to keep something, I will assume this is because I have found it to improve my existence / quality of life, therefore it is only sensible that I want to keep it.

    Fear, or common sense?

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Truthfully, you have everything you need in life, and when you die all the things you have acquired in life will fall away.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Agreed. Can't take it with ya, end of the day, all you actually got is you.
  • relsanrelsan Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3720Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I am fully aware on every level that I do not require anything beyond basic food/water/shelter, this does not stop me wanting it, or at least contemplating how it might be fun to have it..<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    You, or to be more specific your spirit, does not require food, water, or shelter. If you were born with a deformity such that you could not eat, could not drink, and your body too weak to live but for only a few seconds of this life, the only thing of significance would be the experience itself. The experience of life.

    And though your body may be writhing in pain, your mind wishing to survive, you would still have the love in your spirit.

    But society and the things we accumulate in life cloud us from this love and fill us with fear. That is why we should always remember that we have a spirit, that we are truly an entity of love, and that there really is nothing to be afraid of.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If I desire to keep something, I will assume this is because I have found it to improve my existence / quality of life, therefore it is only sensible that I want to keep it.

    Fear, or common sense?<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Survival; the main goal of your mind which is fear-based. All of our minds are fear-based. Do you see that you are using your mind to justify your desire? Stop thinking for a moment. Clear all the thoughts out of your head for a few minutes and just look at life with no judgement, no desire. You will experience love.
  • CrouchingHamsterCrouchingHamster Join Date: 2002-08-17 Member: 1181Members
    Na, sorry mate, your tripping out a bit here. Even <i>if</i> you acknowledge the existence of a soul or spirit, this mysterious entity needs a home on this earthly plane, and that means a body, that means a sustainable physical existance.

    This sustainable physical home has certain requirements and will come with certain pre-programmed instincts , preferences and responses.

    No offence intended, but it kinda sounds like you're reading from a pamphlet a bit...I'm curious, what is your particular religious stance here?

    <--Born Catholic, raised Protestant, open to convincing aetheist....don't believe in much, but if the baby jesus / buddha/ whoever was to show up in my room and go "Believe in me you bast!!" I may reconsider..
  • relsanrelsan Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3720Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--CrouchingHamster,HiddenElvis+Sep 28 2003, 11:25 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CrouchingHamster,HiddenElvis @ Sep 28 2003, 11:25 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Na, sorry mate, your tripping out a bit here. Even <i>if</i> you acknowledge the existence of a soul or spirit, this mysterious entity needs a home on this earthly plane, and that means a body, that means a sustainable physical existance.

    This sustainable physical home has certain requirements and will come with certain pre-programmed instincts , preferences and responses.

    No offence intended, but it kinda sounds like you're reading from a pamphlet a bit...I'm curious, what is your particular religious stance here?

    <--Born Catholic, raised Protestant, open to convincing aetheist....don't believe in much, but if the baby jesus / buddha/ whoever was to show up in my room and go "Believe in me you bast!!" I may reconsider.. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    Yes, the body is the home in a sense. Your body requires food, water, and shelter to live. Your body experiences fear. Your body is not your spirit. My suggestion to you was that if you had a dying body that could only live for a few moments, the experience itself would be significant. Consider that. Consider never getting the chance to acquire anything in life or have relationships. Consider never getting a chance to control or judge a thing or have a conversation. What would the significance of such a life be? I suggest to you that it would simply be the experience of life. And in pointing out that extreme I am suggesting to you the significance of life; life itself and the love of our spirit as we journey through that life however long or short.

    I don't subscribe to any particular religion but I feel that there are elements of truth to just about every religion. However all religions have been touched by man, and thus I don't believe they hold the complete truth.
  • CrouchingHamsterCrouchingHamster Join Date: 2002-08-17 Member: 1181Members
    Y'know in a strange sort of way I find myself agreeing with most of what you said..I can't help but feel you are concentrating on the purely theoretical abstract concepts, rather than what <i>actually is</i> however.

    ( Yah, I know that's another debate altogether, but you know what I mean... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> )

    Anyway, my current physical manifestation needs to get its **** off to bed, long day tomorrow...

    Happy arguing y'all.....
  • relsanrelsan Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3720Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--CrouchingHamster,HiddenElvis+Sep 28 2003, 11:46 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CrouchingHamster,HiddenElvis @ Sep 28 2003, 11:46 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Y'know in a strange sort of way I find myself agreeing with most of what you said..I can't help but feel you are concentrating on the purely theoretical abstract concepts, rather than what <i>actually is</i> however.

    ( Yah, I know that's another debate altogether, but you know what I mean... <!--emo&;)--><img src='http://www.unknownworlds.com/forums/html/emoticons/wink.gif' border='0' style='vertical-align:middle' alt='wink.gif'><!--endemo--> )

    Anyway, my current physical manifestation needs to get its **** off to bed, long day tomorrow...

    Happy arguing y'all..... <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I am talking about what actually is. My reason for posting was not to argue with you but rather to share the concepts and beliefs with which I live my life. I've found my life to be very harmonous since adopting these beliefs. They keep my mind clear so that I may experience the love in my spirit.
  • Marine0IMarine0I Join Date: 2002-11-14 Member: 8639Members, Constellation
    Relsan you would get whole lot out of a more indepth study of Philosophy, especially as you appear so interested in it. It works in premises to reach an eventually conclusion, and makes putting your ideas down for criticism/affirmation very easy. Many people find that when they put their believes/system of thinking under the philosophical microscope, some critical hypocricies can be found.

    So for example, here is some philosophical reasoning

    1. Good and evil exist

    2. Where there is only good, evil cannot exist

    Thus evil and good must be quantitative, like light and shadow.

    Its practically the mathematical equation of thinking. And when people criticise it, they will go after your premises. For example, they might debate that evil actually exists. It clarifies what you think in a way you cant imagine. Try it, I'd love to see your original post laid down in this format. Would make it a million times easier to both critique or affirm.
  • monkeymastermonkeymaster Join Date: 2003-02-20 Member: 13771Members
    The Meaning Of Life <<< ok, who ever made this post needs mental help, lots of it and quickly too.
  • BogglesteinskyBogglesteinsky Join Date: 2002-12-24 Member: 11488Members
    well, dont read it then

    your sig is waaay to big
  • relsanrelsan Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3720Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--Marine01+Sep 29 2003, 09:11 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (Marine01 @ Sep 29 2003, 09:11 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Relsan you would get whole lot out of a more indepth study of Philosophy, especially as you appear so interested in it. It works in premises to reach an eventually conclusion, and makes putting your ideas down for criticism/affirmation very easy. Many people find that when they put their believes/system of thinking under the philosophical microscope, some critical hypocricies can be found.

    So for example, here is some philosophical reasoning

    1. Good and evil exist

    2. Where there is only good, evil cannot exist

    Thus evil and good must be quantitative, like light and shadow.

    Its practically the mathematical equation of thinking. And when people criticise it, they will go after your premises. For example, they might debate that evil actually exists. It clarifies what you think in a way you cant imagine. Try it, I'd love to see your original post laid down in this format. Would make it a million times easier to both critique or affirm. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    But thats my point. I don't need to get "a whole lot". There's no need to "learn more" about what famous prophets and philosophers have said throughout the years. Theres no need to study the the various hypothesis presented throughout the ages by such and such and so and so. All of these people, ALL OF THEM will only point you to the truth. But it is up to YOU to take that final step to embracing the truth. And when that time comes, there is NO uttered word that will guide you to the truth; only pure consciousness, pure knowledge, inifinite silence, perfect balance, invincibility, simplicity, bliss... will bring you to the truth. This can only be experienced during the complete absense of thought. Silence your physical tools and experience love.

    The truth is simple. The law of the spirt is love. The law of the flesh is survival. Everything else in life is a plaything and I treat it as such. Sure I go to my job, make my money, have my fun. But I do it with a great sense of love rather than fear. People fear not having enough money, being rejected, being wrong, being killed, being hungry, being unimportant, etc. Theres no need for it. Don't take life so seriously. Have fun!

    Break free from your mental chains and experience life! Don't be so judgemental about what life hands you, what people say, what people think, what people do. You have a choice of deciding how you feel about ANYTHING that happens in life, not society, not your family, not anyone. You can do anything! What would you do if you weren't afraid? What would you do if you had no want except to live life?

    The truth is simple, it's not hard. Anyone can understand it. Let the intellectuals run in circles for a millennia debating their theories. God made you. God made all creatures. God made the truth simple enough for everyone to understand. Love. I am that, you are that, and that's all there is.

    Please forgive me. I can not explain what cannot truly be explained. But I know the truth and I feel it every moment of my life. And I thought, that I could help some of you, by trying to express the way that I feel about life and the way I live my life. But like I said before, you are the only one that can take that final step to freedom; that final step to love.
  • CrouchingHamsterCrouchingHamster Join Date: 2002-08-17 Member: 1181Members
    <!--QuoteBegin--relsan+Oct 1 2003, 07:38 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (relsan @ Oct 1 2003, 07:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Theres no need to study the the various hypothesis presented throughout the ages by such and such and so and so. All of these people, ALL OF THEM will only point you to the truth. But it is up to YOU to take that final step to embracing the truth. And when that time comes, there is NO uttered word that will guide you to the truth; only pure consciousness, pure knowledge, inifinite silence, perfect balance, invincibility, simplicity, bliss... will bring you to the truth. This can only be experienced during the complete absense of thought. <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    At the risk of sounding ironic, that whole "be a light unto yourself" theory is remarkably close to a lot of the thoughts of Krishnamurti. ( do a Google if necessary.)

    If you aren't too stressed by the concept of someone elses ideas, I think you'll agree with a lot of what he has to say, clever lad imo.

    I never really studied his work in any depth, it was more an offshoot of my teenage Bruce Lee obsession.( Bruce was a big fan..)

    And yes, I do realise the inherent irony in referencing a man whose core theory is "work it out for yourself ffs!!!..."
  • dr_ddr_d Join Date: 2003-03-28 Member: 14979Members
    edited October 2003
    Reslan that's all well and good from a philosophical standpoint but its far from practical.

    When you work 44 hours a week, go to school, and have a needy girlfriend. I think existentialism will be the farthest thing from anyones mind at that point. Heh.

    As to your point about being able to experience life to it's fullest even if your alive for mere moments isn't true. You can't appreciate life fully until you've learned what it means to be alive, and something that is alive for only moments has no real appreciation or probably even understanding of what life is. Just like a 1 year old probably doesn't appreciate life as much as a 10 year old with a good family, friends, and favorite hiding spot in a park somewhere.


    Read Walden Pond if you haven't, existentialism is very nice to think about, just not practical. Whether you acknowledge the importance of money or work doesn't change the fact that you make money and work, and are directly contributing to them being an important part of what people perceive as life. Just like someone who claims violence is wrong and is a soldier in a war can only really claim to believe that so far, actions speak louder than words.
  • relsanrelsan Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3720Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--CrouchingHamster,HiddenElvis+Oct 1 2003, 11:28 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (CrouchingHamster,HiddenElvis @ Oct 1 2003, 11:28 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <!--QuoteBegin--relsan+Oct 1 2003, 07:38 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> (relsan @ Oct 1 2003, 07:38 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Theres no need to study the the various hypothesis presented throughout the ages by such and such and so and so. All of these people, ALL OF THEM will only point you to the truth. But it is up to YOU to take that final step to embracing the truth. And when that time comes, there is NO uttered word that will guide you to the truth; only pure consciousness, pure knowledge, inifinite silence, perfect balance, invincibility, simplicity, bliss... will bring you to the truth. This can only be experienced during the complete absense of thought. <!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->
    At the risk of sounding ironic, that whole "be a light unto yourself" theory is remarkably close to a lot of the thoughts of Krishnamurti. ( do a Google if necessary.)

    If you aren't too stressed by the concept of someone elses ideas, I think you'll agree with a lot of what he has to say, clever lad imo.

    I never really studied his work in any depth, it was more an offshoot of my teenage Bruce Lee obsession.( Bruce was a big fan..)

    And yes, I do realise the inherent irony in referencing a man whose core theory is "work it out for yourself ffs!!!..." <!--QuoteEnd--> </td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'> <!--QuoteEEnd-->
    I find it interesting that you are far more interested in where I'm coming from rather than in considering whether there is any truth to what I'm saying. Perhaps I sound like Krishnamurti, perhaps I sound like Danny DeVito, perhaps I sound like Ghengis Khan. What does it matter? Why do you have this need to classify a concept before embracing it? Consider if there some truth in what I'm saying.

    I feel like a lot of the people on this board are like a bunch of car enthusiasts that never bother driving their cars. They debate which car is better, and try to classify the attributes of all the cars so they can get a better idea of how to assess the worth of each car. But everyone's opinion is different and biased. Thus the most the entire group can agree on is that each person is partially correct so they spend even more time trying to discover what they actually disagree on and then each tries to prove why their particular viewpoint is the correct one. All the while there are several perfectly drivable cars in the driveway that never get driven!
  • relsanrelsan Join Date: 2002-11-01 Member: 3720Members, Constellation
    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Reslan that's all well and good from a philosophical standpoint but its far from practical.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Whatever your practice is during the day, is by definition, practical. If you decided you were going to cast away all your belongings and eat food out of garbage cans and be happy doing it, then that would be practical for YOU. It might not be practical to someone who would never dream of doing that, but it would be practical to YOU because you decided that was the way you wished to live your life. Being a bum might not seem very practical to you, but there are plenty of bums that are quite content with their lifestyle.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->When you work 44 hours a week, go to school, and have a needy girlfriend. I think existentialism will be the farthest thing from anyones mind at that point. Heh.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    There are people in the world that face real and present danger everyday of their lives, and yet they are able to wake up everyday and be just as content as you or I. Have you ever considered why that is?

    It's because people learn to cope with their situation. Some people must get up at 4am every morning to go to work. Some people get molested everyday by family members. Some people eat only rice every day because thats all there is to eat. All of these people have the same brain; the same mind. And just like a mind can be conditioned to except a variety of life's circumstances, you can condition your mind to no longer see things as obstacles and instead see them as lessons or tools. You can do this. Anyone can do this. You can change how you view life and all the things around you.

    It's when you start listening to society and other's peoples opinions that you get numbed into an undesirable existance. You hear other peoples fears, and they become your fears. You hear other peoples judgements and they become your judgements. Your thoughts aren't even yours! They are somebody elses! When was the last time you thought or said something that you hadn't heard from somewhere else? Your thoughts are not your own; they're the thoughts of society. They are the echoes of our ancestors. They are there to foster the survival of our species but they do not define our spirits which are mindless and filled with love. And if you push all those thoughts away and go to your spirit, even for a moment, your next thought after such a silence will be delivered with clairity. This is because in being silent in your mind you are able to push away all the thoughts of society that say you can't do this and you can't do that. This opens your mind to way more possibilities of how to solve problems and achieve goals. That is the basic concept behind mind over matter and there is a lot of truth to it.

    <!--QuoteBegin--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><b>QUOTE</b> </td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin-->As to your point about being able to experience life to it's fullest even if your alive for mere moments isn't true. You can't appreciate life fully until you've learned what it means to be alive, and something that is alive for only moments has no real appreciation or probably even understanding of what life is. Just like a 1 year old probably doesn't appreciate life as much as a 10 year old with a good family, friends, and favorite hiding spot in a park somewhere.<!--QuoteEnd--></td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'><!--QuoteEEnd-->

    Who says you can't appreciate something until you learn what it is? I think babies get more out of life than anyone else! They have no worries. They don't know they are going to die. They don't know what evil is. They don't know what good is. Their thoughts are completely uncondional because they don't know anything! They are like pure spirits of love. That's why grown-ups get surprised by little children and say things like "I wish I was a kid again, without a care in the world." We may not be able to express ourselves as babies but I firmly believe that it's in those beginning moments that one appreciates life the most because society as not yet taught us to judge life.
  • Smoke_NovaSmoke_Nova Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8697Members
    edited October 2003
    **SELF-NUKED because of double-post**
  • Smoke_NovaSmoke_Nova Join Date: 2002-11-15 Member: 8697Members
    You people...you are all getting it wrong.

    The meaning of life is 92 *as I think of it* but someone also said 42. They both are fine for my explanation...Now prepare for some ASCII art
    How would acomputer see 42/92, digital, correct?See Image A (Forgive my craptacular paint as my ASCII failed)

    Remember basic biology 101. The human eye is really reversing everything we see.(If I remember correctly). So the computer that found the meaning of life would really see it as:

    See Image B (See reason A)

    2 b. To be. To be or not to be. That is the question. That is the meaning of life. Will you be? or will you not?
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